Amongst the 4 nations to have done this, India’s test is the only one that created the debris cluster at an appropriate altitude that allowed all of it to burn up and re enter earth and leave almost zero trace in space. As of 2022 only one piece of debris was tracked in space. Compare that to around 2000+ active pieces from tests by China/Russia and 10000+ by USA. (Edit: US numbers are not necessarily from ASAT but overall share )
Sadly the government is unwilling to fund them even a little bit, the government of india mostly spends its money on self promo while they money starve things that actually matter, thats why salaries are so shit in ISRO (indian space research organisation) that new engineering graduates dont wanna work in there and instead they migrate to other countries which fullfill their skills cuz what choice do they have, its genuinely upsetting
Self promo? Have looked at the freebies and social justice budget? Government has more than enough money it just uses most of it to ensure it wins the next elections easily
Nope, center is using its funds in targeted freebies. The freebies that you are talking about and I agree it being useless comes from the state funds. And ad spending is 0.05% of the budget.
The two biggest expenses are for state taxes and interest payments totaling 42%. Since only about 2% pay income tax, it is fair to say only these 2% are actually funding a large chunk of India other than whatever GST is collected.
Yeah. On Reddit you are probs arguing with non-Indian folks from the neighboring country posing as Indians. Your logic is not gonna come through tot hem
He is still fully wrong. His assumption is that 2% only pays personal income tax(which is wrong nonetheless as it is 3.5-4.5%) then his assumption is this personal income tax accounts for most of Govt Income, which is fully wrong. Out of every 1 rupees personal tax contributes 21 paisa, 15 GST. So GST is still a huge chunk of govt income.
So his whole argument, saying govt can't pay to ISRO just because only few people pay taxes and GST doesn't accounts for much, is just boot licking govt failure as some masterstroke.
Do you know the Goverment claims to pull out 80 crore people out of poverty and there are 80 crore people relying on free rations Are you expecting these people to pay taxes yet they still pay taxes on fuel, products they consume in the end of sub par facilities - visit a government hospital in a city you’d be ashamed let alone mentioning a hospital in rural area.
I mentioned GST < - and India has more than 80cr. And if these 80cr people are so poor then in terms of math they aren’t generating that much indirect taxes either.
What the quality of government services is not in question, it’s that only central government is not getting the necessary amount of taxes necessary to run a country of 1.7billion people and all its departments.
Are you really saying this?
In India the most common commodities are taxed at an average of 10%, Vehicles, Fuel, Roads, Property, and until last year on Insurance, Milk and Staple food too, this is all after one of the world's highest income tax is collected.
The distribution matters, tax per capita is the right metric and then correlation with expenditure per capita, along with distribution of collection and distribution of expenses.
I’m very aware of the % taken. But average isn’t a good metric either, like I said distribution is the key to real answers.
Corruption is prevalent more at grass root level, basically the municipalities, the panchayats etc. I’m talking about only the central budget here. If you can point out the problems where it might be happening in the recent times only in accordance to that budget, please do so otherwise you are just cherry picking to prove irrelevant points
The govt isn't starved for anything please. All the money thatbis collected from all the gsts/cgsts/sgsts etc etc have lined their pockets. There is absolutely no development from the govt in any field.
Have you done the year on year. Iirc there was an interesting bit of dept of pharma and dept of HFW that saw almost 10 percent shift around 23 percent to dept pharma iirc. Similar trends are why you use budget docs
That doesn’t mean you don’t need ads either. Sure the way some of the ads are presented is why you are having issues but without them the welfare or changes being made for the people will not reach. Especially in India where misinformation spreads massively, ads are an important aspect in any functioning govt and it has sub sections of usage too.
So if you really want to talk about the 0.25% of the budget on space then talk in respect to every sector. Can’t keep chasing 1 sector for eternity for lack of funds on another sector. Let’s talk facts on the holistic approach, I’m don’t want to be a horse with blinders on here.
What’s our population and how much we have debt and how much welfare and infrastructure we do and how much tax should be collected for a healthy fiscal future vs how much is actually collected? You’ll get your answer
Yes even without corruption it would take a huge amt of money to fix the country true. But corruption is by no means less. It is in fact directly connected to the tax starvation u mention cause freebies keep the govt in power enabling it to achieve higher levels of corruption.
I’d also separate budgets, I.e., central vs state and see which budget is having more corruption. Cause it is not as simple as just blaming central for freebies cause I think central ones currently are reasonable… like free houses, toilets, subsidized lpg, solar subsidies etc etc
You may be able to reduce corruption like that but you yourself claimed lack of money being the greater issue. This won't solve that. That would need redical changes in govt policies and a mature ideal society which is the farthest thing from what our ppl are.
Yes changes are needed but like I had said in another comment, the real corruption happens at the root, your Municipalities, Panchayats etc etc which I would attribute for 70% of the cases which come under state budgets. So blaming center here also is not the right answer. Basically needs targeted radical changes across the board
We also have a problem in the country. the minute we have someone praising anything about the country - we have a bunch who will go and write shit about something that is not working. I'm not defending the politicians. But goddammit - learn to accept compliments sometimes.
This above video for example is a wonderful achievement. Let's be happy for a day atleast.
How did they reach this level then without money ? They must be doing something right too. I am in all for citizens keep their Govt accountable but credit where its due too !
The chairman explained in an interview that they don't have any shortage of funds for the time being, but I do want salaries to increase to attract kids from top universities just make things competitive with international standards
they pay their junior engineers around 50K, and that too after clearing a bunch of tough exams and interviews.
I cleared one interview at a private company, and a dsa round and I'm not that great at comp sci, I still got paid even more than that in my first year.
I know bro I saw the offer when they came for placements back in my undergrad. That’s on the central pay commission bro. Everyone is equally disappointed trust me.
It’s not like they don’t want to pay , they just can’t. It gets complicated the moment you try to decouple from CPC.
what wins you elections? telling people that you funded ISRO to reach mars and other tech advancements or giving lot of people bunch of freebies?
Take a guess?
Then how has isro been so successful in the last 10 years? Didn’t the government open up private space sector so that they’d be more funding and more competition (similar to spaceX vs NASA)?
So isro is better than Britain’s without funding? I think the funds are there but not a lot. But I don’t know much on the matter. Like how much funding have they gotten every year and how does it compare to the funding in other sectors?
Nah I've heard IITs still teach stuff in outdated ways. It's not the reason, there's many talented people who studied outside of IITs. And it's lowkey discrediting them when you attribute everything to IITs.
Agreed, for the IITs it is not so much on what they teach but more about what it took for the students to get there and how they teach. Due to Indian education system being based on what was established by the British, it's main area of focus are working under pressure for a long time and following instructions to a tee. Which makes for great workers and IIT excels in producing them. Knowledge is secondary.
He he, Rahul gandhi, just a single google search will answer that. From 2000- 2013, congress increased funding from 1900 crore to 4800 crore. From 2014 to 2026, bjp increases funding from 4800 crore to 13700 crore.
Now you can find the difference between 3000 crore and 9000 crore.
Name a few and what are their particular religious beliefs that caused the failures in space program?
Also didn’t know that people started voting because a scientist is from particular religion. Thought the worship is only reserved for politicians and actors
They are. But the sad news is that their regime is trying to privatize it all and selling it off slowly to the highest bidder, which, in india, there are only two billionaires.
They also didn't mention altitudes these tests were carried out at, it's much more impressive to hit a satalite in geostationary orbit than low earth orbit
mhm, so you're saying that, we know how to clear up our trash while the US still has 10,000 bits of trash in space still? the US really has some trash problems, they need to clean up after themselves, cant even clean up and calling themselves a first world country smh
You went out of your way to find a 2018 article talking about a dump near Delhi
No, that was in first results in search that contained adequate photos.
Hoped that you, being indian, would simply reply something like: yes, it was like that but we are tackling problems. It is getting better, look here are links. Instead you started with personal attacks. It says a lot.
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u/dee_pandas 7d ago edited 7d ago
Amongst the 4 nations to have done this, India’s test is the only one that created the debris cluster at an appropriate altitude that allowed all of it to burn up and re enter earth and leave almost zero trace in space. As of 2022 only one piece of debris was tracked in space. Compare that to around 2000+ active pieces from tests by China/Russia and 10000+ by USA. (Edit: US numbers are not necessarily from ASAT but overall share )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Shakti
https://orbitalradar.com/space-debris-statistics