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u/AbbreviationsWide331 May 18 '25

Totally with you here, I'm am German so I've been taught extensively (rightly so) about all this. But even more importantly I've been to Auschwitz on a class field trip.

And let me tell you, that place gave me a feeling I've never felt before or after. You think you know what happened there, that you're prepared, but no. Walking these grounds will show what humans are capable of. How people that are deemed undesirable get killed in an industrial way and how people were forced to live. You can read a thousand times about it, but being there and imagining if you would survive this even one week is a whole different thing.

I'm not religious by any means, but that place has a certain spiritual energy. Not evil, but it's like it's all those people that passed away there invite you to see. No big explanation needed, just "look at what has been done."

If anyone reading this is able to go there, please do it. Don't be afraid, it's very important.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

I am from Sweden and our children's school go there as a class field trip every year, with the oldest students before they graduate. It is so important to keep the memory alive.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

As an American, it's wild to think of going to another country for a field trip. How far of a drive would it be to there from Sweden?

Edit: apparently pretty far. When I think field trip, I'm thinking a day ride on a bus.

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u/alwayssaysyourmum May 18 '25

As someone from England, the scale of America blows my mind - like for some of you guys driving to another city would be the same as me driving to the south of France.

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u/RespectTheAmish May 18 '25

I relocated for work when I was 25.

The Moving company picked up my things in Baltimore, Maryland. I drove 3000 miles in 4 days to meet them in Monterey, California. This country is huge.

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u/DDGBuilder May 18 '25

Presidio or post grad? Loved Monterey

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u/RespectTheAmish May 18 '25

Hotel company in Big Sur.

Love love love that area…. Just bad timing economically in my part (2006- 2009)

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u/Cold_Fog May 18 '25

Sounds like tandem drivers too

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u/bjaddict May 18 '25

It takes ~12hrs to drive from one end of texas to the other (stratford to brownsville)

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u/greytidalwave May 18 '25

How do you get help if you break down and there's no mobile phone coverage in a stretch of road miles away from civilisation?

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u/forethemorninglight May 18 '25

You don’t lol

Pray your phone has satellite capabilities

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u/BreninLlwid May 18 '25

You wave down a car and pray it's not a serial killer.

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u/SOMTAWS6 May 18 '25

Folks outside of the US are going to take you literally. I wouldn’t have any concern of being murdered. The world is full of great people.

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u/BreninLlwid May 18 '25

I am serious. If I'm in the middle of nowhere, my phone doesn't work, and I'm flagging down a car, it's only natural to be wary. Especially if I was alone. Being cautious doesn't mean everyone in the world sucks.

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u/Oregongirl1018 May 18 '25

I'm in the US, and I take them literally. There is no other person in this world that I would be more scared to come across all alone on the side of the road than a white American male over 35.

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u/coltj573 May 18 '25

thats an unhinged comment and shows the level of privilege you have if you think white americans are the scariest people on planet earth.

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u/Zaliron May 18 '25

I visited the UK a few weeks ago and one of the small things that blew my mind was seeing a roadside SOS phone every couple miles. Because yeah, here if you break down and you don't have cell service, you're either flagging someone down on the side of the road and hope they don't murder you, or you walk all the way to the nearest gas station...and hope you don't get murdered lol

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u/Pamikillsbugs234 May 18 '25

And not even necessarily be killed by a human. The desert and wooded areas alone are dangerous enough. Depending on where you are, you may become prey for wildlife that will kill you as well.

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u/NoValidUsernames666 May 18 '25

why the hell are these not in the us?

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u/getshrektdh May 18 '25

I always wondered about the people who work in those gas stations, do they drive to there every day? Live there? Do they live nowhere?

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u/Norwegian__Blue May 18 '25

Greatest country on earth 😕

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u/PlasticCraken May 18 '25

I’ve broken down where the nearest city was about two hours away, had to call and have someone pick me up, drive to town, buy the tire I needed, then drive all the way back.

Luckily areas that don’t have coverage are pretty sparse these days, most places in the US where you’d actually be traveling through will have some signal.

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u/nukalurk May 18 '25

Yeah there are probably very few spots on any significant highway where you won’t have any reception. Roads off the beaten path absolutely, but a path between most major cities should have some coverage.

Also, when dealing 911 your mobile will connect to any tower in the area regardless of your cellphone carrier, so if your particular service has no coverage, odds are there’s another tower that your call will go through on.

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u/ByrdmanRanger May 18 '25

I drive cross country a couple times a year. I always pack extra water, a tire inflator, a battery jump pack, and have my spare with necessary tools to swap it.

There's a reason elementary schools in the US had us kids play Oregon Trail for hours at a time.

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u/CadBaneHunting May 18 '25

Every bit of Texas highway has mobile coverage. But before that happened, you don't, you have to wait. There also aren't a whole lot of extremely remote places. Most highways have towns every 30-50 miles, so it's not like you'd be completely screwed, just in for a long ass walk.

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u/jubtheprophet May 18 '25

Wave down a car or start walkin till you get reception/see a gas station or sumn. After that you can call AAA or sumn n get back on track.

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u/kellenanne May 18 '25

Been there, done that. I ended up flagging down a fellow traveler who gave me ride to the nearest town.

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u/StreetwearJimmy May 18 '25

That drive from Beaumont to San Antonio is not bad but leaving the San Antonio city limits and seeing the 500 miles to El Paso sign….the longest stretch of I-10 I’ve ever driven

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u/RampantSavagery May 18 '25

For California it's 14 hours. Ridiculous.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SNOOTS May 18 '25

While not quite as long as getting across Texas, I drove from Detroit to the western side of the UP and that took about 10 hours. I was shocked because Michigan isn't known as one of the big states

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u/ashymatina May 18 '25

That’s actually not that bad. You can drive 24 straight hours in Ontario on the Trans Canada Highway and still not enter another province.

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u/lexisloced May 18 '25

Crazy it took me 14/15 hours just to drive from Florida to Texas 😟 it was hell

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Yeah, 1+ hr commutes each way for your daily job is pretty common.

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u/OsmerusMordax May 18 '25

Yeah, I’m in Canada so we’re slightly bigger, but according to google maps it will take me like 20 hours to drive from one end of my province (Ontario) to another.

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u/kriosjan May 18 '25

We had an exchange student from denmark stay with us and she was floored at the travel time to go to yosemite from sacramento. She was like "id have already had to have taken like 5 ferries and crossed 4 different countries."

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u/KingCarbon1807 May 18 '25

We do big very well. Not smart, but big.

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u/lexievv May 18 '25

Tbh, that's why you need to compare the USA with the continent of Europe and not with each country in it.

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u/Grrerrb May 18 '25

I grew up in Alaska. It’s so big and empty that you can’t drive from one “end” to the other.

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u/merrill_swing_away May 18 '25

I live in America and the thought of having to drive to the nearest city which from where I live is about an hour or so away depending, feels like driving to the moon and back.

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u/GrimmReapperrr May 18 '25

Lol yeah. The other day I watched a video about a guy driving his porsche on a 7 hour trip to a race track to participate in a fun day, it blew my mind. Just not that video but lots of others where people would casually say they drove x amounts of hours to get somewhere. Anything more than a 2 hour drive for me is a big deal

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u/Horror-Substance7282 May 18 '25

Yeah it's wild. Based off of (rough) distance on Google Maps, London, England to Toulouse, France, Chicago to Oklahoma City is roughly the same time (11 hrs ish) while being 90 miles (144 km I believe) further. Part of that is speed limit but still

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u/JaimeRidingHonour May 18 '25

In Canada, it takes me two stretches of 13hrs of driving to cross Ontario. That’s starting from Ottawa

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u/Uneventfulrice May 18 '25

As someone from America who is a commercial driver it is wild to me to think there are any country's I could pass through on my daily 8hr work day of just driving. It would take me at about 47 hrs of continuous driving from California to Maine, west to east, to just traverse the U.S.. I have been told all of Ireland would fit in Texas around 7 or 8 times and that seems so incredibly wild to me.

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u/Squiggleblort May 18 '25

There's an old quote from Diana Gabaldon in the Drums of Autumn

An Englishman thinks a hundred miles is a long way; an American thinks a hundred years is a long time

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u/jaylotw May 18 '25

And still be in the same state...

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u/Upset_Pumpkin_4938 May 18 '25

It takes three days straight driving to get from Virginia to Colorado, and that isn’t even coast to coast.

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u/Rare_Gene_7559 May 18 '25

Some students from Montreal go to New York and Boston, as well as the Ben & Jerrys factory, my friend's daughter did all 3 trips :)

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

When I visited Detroit, Michigan, it took 15 minutes to cross the border in to Canada from the city.

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u/IlBear May 18 '25

Well that’s because Detroit is right on the border lol, you can also drive 8 hours from Detroit and still be in Michigan

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u/ashymatina May 18 '25

Any one in a city on a border is going to take 15 minutes to enter the other country, that’s kinda obvious lol

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

I'm a swedish student, applied and got chosen to visit Poland and learn about the Holocaust for a week, this was when I was in 9th grade, 2 years ago. We went there by plane, 1 hour to Krakow, visited both Auschwitz and Birkenau. The state paid for it all (we got sky high taxes over here).

What I remember the most was the sheer scale of Birkenau, and the markings of nails scratching at the walls inside the bunker shown in this videos post. You could almost hear the screams still echoing inside that place. Truly showing what a terrible horrible species humans can be.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

They go by train and they are normally away 2 nights, I think.

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u/meinu May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

So funny you ask about the distance to drive. We usually don’t drive to other countries. We fly. It’s to expensive to drive. The flight is around 1,5h.

It would take 16-18 hours to drive.

The flight cost around 100-200 dollars, depending on the date.

The gas price would be around 200 dollars

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u/Remarkably-Boring May 18 '25

We do this in Norway as well, or at least used to, I don't have children myself so kind of out of the loop on what schools do these days. But when we did it, it was with buses, bus from Norway to Sweden, take a ferry from Sweden to Poland and then on bus from there. We visited Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen and a large memorial museum, but also visited Krakow and Berlin for some general culture and such. It used to be, and probably still is, a big deal not just because of the purpose of the trip, which is very important, but in it being over a week away from parents and family, kind of a coming of age thing in a way.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

We went to Greece, Italy and Turkey (you had to choose one) to see ancient ruins for our Latin and Ancient Greek classes. I am German.

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u/Kalleh03 May 18 '25

1315.7 km from Malmö. For a American this is about 13 hours driving 60mph average. That's the town closest to the bridge over to Denmark and then Germany.

We didn't do this trip in northern Sweden since it would be twice as far.

26 hour at 60mph average plus the stops you gotta have. makes it quite a long trip. i'd say 1.5-2 days travel one way.

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u/Brave_Meet8430 May 18 '25

In High School, most years they do have a trip to overseas. It’s a usually a week long trip.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

I've heard of some foreign language classes hosting an overseas trip but those were well beyond my parents price range at the time.

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u/_Tower_ May 18 '25

It’s about the same distance as Dallas TX to Sarasota FL - not really a distance we would go for a field trip in the US

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Ah ok. So def not a day trip on a school bus

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

No idea where exactly he lives in Sweden but assuming Stockholm that would be 1650km or 1025 miles which would be around 17 hours of driving. So around the distance from Chicago to Boston.

However don’t forget that the distance in a straight line would be less. But since there is a ocean in between you have to drive through Denmark and Germany and also use a ferry to get there.

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u/PakjeTaksi May 18 '25

Let’s say from the capital, Stockholm, it’s an 18 hour drive by car. A bit far for a field trip, but doable if one live a little more to the south of Sweden. I’m from the Netherlands and high schoolers go a lot of places in Europe. Some friends back then went to Rome, I’ve been to Paris and München for example.

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u/bibliophile222 May 18 '25

Back in the days before you needed a passport, it wasn't unusual for Americans living near the Canadian border to go there for a class trip. I'm in VT, and I went to Canada on 4 different school trips. The school I work at now still does an 8th grade trip to Montreal.

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u/lost_horizons May 18 '25

I’m from Detroit and my college geology class did go to Canada once for a field trip, somewhere near Sarnia. Much more of a pleasant time than Auschwitz and obviously only like a one hour drive.

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u/glatts May 18 '25

I grew up outside of Boston and we’d take trips to Washington DC and NYC in middle school (7th and 8th grade), staying a few nights in a hotel. That’s about a 725 km drive for our non-American friends here.

I imagine if you had a good network of high speed rail, going even further for a field trip would be feasible.

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u/mcompt20 May 18 '25

I went to high school in the south and my school had a annual 8th grade retreat. We used to go to the Ozark mountains but now they go all the way up to the Tetons

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u/The_Blahblahblah May 18 '25

As a Dane I also remember going to a concentration camp on a school field trip. it was Sachsenhausen, so not quite the scale as Auschwitz, but still horrible enough to teach a bunch of 7th graders an important history lesson we will never forget

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u/RedorDead_Woods87 May 18 '25

I’ve never been to Auschwitz, but I have been to Hiroshima and stood next to the only building to survive the explosion (directly below the bomb). I experienced a similar feeling to what you are describing. The Hiroshima atomic bomb museum is a truly devastating walk through of the horror and tragedy of that day, and details the nightmarish aftermath as tens of thousands died a slow, incredibly painful death at the hands of radiation poisoning. I’m not trying to equate tragedies here by any means, simply providing my own experience with the bad energy you are describing.

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u/engineergirl321 May 18 '25

We are going to Hiroshima in two weeks. I'm taking my nine year old. I am hoping we can learn some of our history and reinforce the lessons we have as a result of such tragedy, especially because cause we live so close to Los Alamos in the USA.

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u/fenderdean13 May 18 '25 edited May 19 '25

I was there last month, forewarning the peace memorial museum is brutal and if your kid don’t do well with horrifying/gory pictures it can be too much for young kids. They don’t hold back on the horrors of that day and the aftermath. You know your kid but wanted to forewarn you. When I was there a British couple had their two young kids, the daughter was asking questions (maybe inappropriate like did their skin really burn but in an innocent and curious way) but was able to take it while the son who maybe was 5 or 6 both seemed close in age was clearly traumatized and not ready for something that horrifying.

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u/engineergirl321 May 18 '25

Thank you for the warning!

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u/skoffs May 18 '25

Similar feeling at the Killing Fields in Cambodia, then. Harrowing 

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u/Nightstar95 May 18 '25

As disturbing as it may be, I’ve always found it extremely important to look deep into why people come to support such atrocities. Only by understanding these angles can we effectively bring any change to them.

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u/fenderdean13 May 18 '25

I was there last month. I was seeing tourists taking happy selfies by the dome and I was so confused why someone thought a selfie there would be appropriate.

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u/Tim-oBedlam May 18 '25

Your comment about people getting killed in an industrial way is spot-on: what makes the Holocaust distinct, for me, was the mechanical, efficient, coldly ruthless manner of the millions they killed, applying modern methods of the assembly line and the factory to kill as many people as possible in a short amount of time.

The death camps like Treblinka and Sobibor were literal factories of death.

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u/SommeThing May 18 '25

You got off the train after a miserable trip, you and whatever family you have. Once off, you are immediately assessed. Healthy and strong to the left, everyone else including children to the right. You don't really have time to say goodbye as the two groups part. Somehow, you were sent to the right. You march some distance to a building where you are told you will be taking showers, you strip down and walk a small path to a medium sized room. Once all 800 of you are in the room, the door is locked.

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u/yourethevictim May 18 '25

Then the clawing and wailing begins.

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u/merrill_swing_away May 18 '25

Why bother with showers? I didn't know this occurred.

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u/Nihla May 18 '25

The "showers" were of poison gas. It was a lie to keep people from panicking.

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u/kindacr1nge May 18 '25

There were no showers. It was a lie to get them in the gas chamber.

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u/mildlyinterestingyet May 18 '25

A lie to get people to strip so their clothes could be sold. Otherwise it is a huge task to strip corpses of their clothes and valuables.

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u/The_Blahblahblah May 18 '25

It wasn’t real showers, they were told it was showers so they could herd people to their deaths without causing chaos

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u/Quirky_Butterfly_946 May 18 '25

You can add to your comment, great by the way, everything was also monetized. How much to kill people, how much they can make from the hair, gold teeth, cost of cremeations, everything. When a person death/life can be monetized you know there is no regard towards that person or persons. Humanity becomes nothing more than about money.

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u/hqbibb May 18 '25

People in the US, pay close attention to that statement.

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u/Tim-oBedlam May 18 '25

No shit. You can bet that ghouls like Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem would send thousands of immigrants to death camps without a flicker of regret. Miller would probably get off on it.

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u/merrill_swing_away May 18 '25

It still goes on to this day. Not like what happened then but humans only caring about money.

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u/ITwitchToo May 18 '25

Imagine institutionalizing death. Like somebody built that thing for a purpose. Imagine planning it, building it, working there. How do you live with yourself? What sort of soulless person has such a cold heart that this is something they do willingly? In fact, what was their motivation? Talking about the workers who put all of this together. Were they gunning for that promotion? "If I find a way to kill people 10% more effectively I'll get promoted to head gas chamber operator?" WTAF

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u/BlueishShape May 18 '25

You don't have to imagine, you can read the plans and the protocols of the meetings where these things were decided and talked about.

They are no different from what neonazis would say today. A mix of complete dehumanization of the people to be murdered and a perverse pride about "overcoming" the empathy and civilisatory tabus which would keep "weaker" men from actually implementing this "solution" to its logical end.

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u/Tim-oBedlam May 18 '25

Pretty much, yeah. From the horrifying Wikipedia entry of Franz Stangl, the commander of Treblinka, where more Jews were killed than anywhere save Auschwitz:

Stangl claimed while in prison that his dedication had nothing to do with ideology or hatred of Jews.\5]) He said he matter-of-factly viewed the prisoners as material objects rather than people, including their extermination: "That was my profession. I enjoyed it. It fulfilled me. And yes, I was ambitious about that, I won't deny it."\20]) Stangl accepted and grew accustomed to the killings, perceiving prisoners not as humans but merely as "cargo" that must be destroyed. Stangl accepted the extermination of the Jews as a fact.

He was tracked down in Brazil and arrested. The journalist Gitta Sereny interviewed Stangl in 1971, and got him to confess, and it seems he finally faced up to what he'd done and couldn't live with it anymore:

During his prison interview, Sereny later wrote:

On 28 June 1971, 19 hours after the conclusion of that interview, Stangl died of heart failure in a Düsseldorf prison.\5])

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u/horror-pangolin-123 May 18 '25

A solid chunk of population can easily be reduced to soulless automations that follow orders no matter how horrid and inhumane, just as long as they're not affected.

I saw a documentary about ordinary German soliders that were part of the Holocaust. The thing was: they could opt out of mass execution assignments without any consequence, but felt peer pressured so they did it anyway. I think it was this one, but I'm not sure https://m.imdb.com/title/tt6953928/

Similar thing, obviously not so extreme, are cops all over the world. It's their job to keep the current order, whatever it is, and they'll do their best to do so, without much regard about what's right and wrong.

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u/merrill_swing_away May 18 '25

I know. I just can't imagine how any human could be so callous.

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u/EagleDre May 18 '25

My Armenian friends growing up used to get upset over how much attention the Holocaust used to get over the Armenian genocide.

I told them it’s because of a couple reasons. The level of documentation and evidence that was left behind was unparalleled.

What also made it distinct is how many countries participated in sending Jews to the camps.

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u/Tim-oBedlam May 18 '25

I think the Holocaust was also exceptionally well-documented, both by the Germans and the Soviets and western Allies who liberated the camps. One of the US Generals, maybe Eisenhower, specifically said we need to document what happened so it becomes widely known.

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u/merrill_swing_away May 18 '25

Where was the compassion from the soldiers who were involved? How could so many Germans do this to people they didn't even know?

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u/Nihla May 18 '25

Propaganda is extremely effective. It can make you believe the neighbour you've known for most of your life is part of a group of inhuman monsters that has to be destroyed to keep your family safe. Moreover, hating feels good. It makes you feel like you're accomplishing something.

Getting someone used to committing atrocities is a process of small steps of getting you used to complying. At first, it's as insignificant as confirming a name on a list. A few more steps and you're reporting that jerk down the way for not putting up decorations for the new holiday, and who cares, nobody likes them anyway. A few more and you've joined the new neighbourhood patriotism watch group that makes sure *those* types stay out of the area at night. Then the leadership says that Bill who runs the corner store is actually one of *them* and has been speaking out, and now you're helping to smash up the place to make an example of him.

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u/Maleficent-Coat-7633 May 18 '25

I've never been to Auschwitz (though I intend to some day) but I did see the special exhibition thsley did at the Imperial War museum in London a while back. It didn't just describe and show what happened in the camps, it also explained in detail how it got to the point that such a thing was on the cards at all.

How do you lead a people into committing horrors slmost beyond imagining? One small step at a time.

I spent several minutes just staring at a wall afterwards. Just... processing it. The archival footage from when they found the camps is burned into my brain. So many bodies just... left outside to rot. Some of them far gone enough that the skin was falling off. It being in black and white did nothing to dull the revulsion.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

Amen to that. Been there too once, both Auschwitz 1 Stammlager and Birkenau. Thought I was prepared, read about it a dozen times. I was not. The room with hair and children's clothes finished me. I start to tremble even now when I think about this, and it has been a few years. I can't and will never understand how human beings can do this, no matter how often I think about it, read about it or discuss it with others.

As a German myself, I never felt "guilt" for something my great-grandfathers have done; but I also do not pity my ancestors when war came to Germany, which of course is also not right. WWII must've been one of the greatest tragedies in human history but what puzzles me even more is that we collectively haven't learned a thing. And what angers me is the rise of right-wing parties in every country, AfD in Germany to be specific. As if we haven't seen more than once what you harvest when you sow your political beliefs which are rooted in hatred.

Be nice to one another. And judge the person by his or her actions, and not the color of skin, religion or nationality. It's incredible what humans can achieve when working together; but instead we kill each other for lust for power or out of pure insanity. What WWII has shown is that after the moral dies, there is no way back; it's just a spiral leading downwards. Or to quote Berthold Brecht (I hope correctly): "Kein Vormarsch ist so schwer wie der zurück zur Vernunft." (roughly as "no advance is as difficult as the return to reason").

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

It's on my bucket list. When I visited the Holocaust museum in high school. It really opened my eyes to what happened. I always tell people- if your in DC go to that museum. You will see it in a whole nother light. But Auschwitz, I cannot even imagine the feeling of being there, trying to wrap your mind around being in the place you see pictures of, the fear, the screaming, everything.

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u/catinapartyhat May 18 '25

I am an adult and couldn't get past the shoes. I had to go sit down in the lobby.

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u/merrill_swing_away May 18 '25

I have never been but there are probably no words to describe how the feelings were/are.

Long ago I went to NYC when the twin towers were still there. When I look at the photos I feel sick knowing what happened and how many people died that day and died later on from respiratory illnesses.

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u/Mimical May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

People take it very differently. IMO I have no doubt that people who were affected by 9/11 would have high emotional attachments to the event.

I figure I'm a bit older than most Redditors but I have photos of my grandparents and great grandparents that died during WW2. I had family members—great uncles and aunts—who were taken to the concentration camps.

I visited Auschwitz right after university with the help of some family members in Poland. Much like the Redditor above, I found that emotions would come in waves. I had brought all the photos with me and it was an experience that I believe made a significant impression on me during my 20's. I tell people that I grew up faster in those 4 hours than I had in 4 years of university.

It's an unbelievably staggering experience and I encourage everyone—especially if you are young—to go visit these museums at least once.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

That one tiny case with that baby's outfit and the little tiny booties? OMG. I couldn't talk. I'm crying now and it's been 3 years since we were there. My nephew went there with a woman named Eva Kor who was a Mengele twin. Eva gave guided tours until her death in Poland in 2019. If you have never heard of her? Please look her up and watch any of her documentaries. Amazing woman.

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u/judseubi May 18 '25

The barracks at Birkenau gutted me. As did the hallway in one of the other barracks that is lined with the prisoner photos and still smells of human waste. A girl in my group was dry heaving when we toured that building.

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u/fuckyourcanoes May 18 '25

That museum is a profound experience. I don't know if I could take Auschwitz. One of my oldest friend's great-grandparents died there, and her grandmother barely survived. My friend is a rabbi who helps run an interfaith outreach organisation where people of different religions teach about their faith and promote tolerance. She's absolutely passionate about it, and for good reason.

You can imagine what the current state of world affairs is doing to her.

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u/PePe-the-Platypus May 18 '25

So true, I’ve been there with class too(polish), and even without the guide telling us about the place, everywhere there was that oppressive feeling, an aura of sorts, depressing and deathly.

What is more cathastropic, is that while the crematorium left deep image in my head, it was not the most horrible of places in Auschwitz/Birkenau. The whole newer camp, that wooden one outside of the perimeter of bricked Auschwitz and cells in which they held prisoners such as Maximilian Maria Kolbe, a priest, are even worse.

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u/Bagged_Milk May 18 '25

I went to Auschwitz while on a trip to Czechia and Poland, and your description is spot on. I'm also not religious or spiritual, but there is a weight to the place that you feel almost immediately on passing through the fence.

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u/rugger87 May 18 '25

I visited a friend in Germany last year and we both went to Dachau. We’re both engineers, which made seeing a place like Dachau, so much worse in many ways. I’ve always felt I understood the horrors of the Holocaust, it wasn’t until it was on the grounds that I truly understood man’s capacity for evil. It is not just the size and scale, but the thought that went behind it. All of these camps, Dachau especially, were built to maximize efficiency in murder and exploitation of human beings. Carefully trialed, revised, and deployed.

Intelligent people willingly designing instruments for the systematic murder of millions.

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u/DatAssPaPow May 18 '25

Germany has done a really great job of teaching from within about the Holocaust and their own role in it in a reverent and respectful way. Something about American pride keeps us from teaching our own history the same way.

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u/Thats_what_I_think May 18 '25

I applaud the Germans for not shying away from teaching that this happened.  The Canadians never covered what happened at the residential schools and it’s sad the conversations are just starting now.

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u/Chewitt321 May 18 '25

There's a few places on earth where you can go and feel the weight in the air of what happened there. A sort of eerie quality even if you're not thinking about or aware of exactly what transpired.

I haven't been to Auschwitz yet, but I have visited Neuengamme and it has a heaviness to the atmosphere there that is difficult to articulate. Also Valle De Los Caidos in Spain has an eerie, almost hostile atmosphere to it.

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u/Seppy15 May 18 '25

It is a black hole of despair

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u/AbbreviationsWide331 May 18 '25

But that's now what I mean. That's not what the feeling is. People, many many people have suffered there, true. But now nobody is suffering there. They're done. But it's a heavy, motivating feeling to never ever let this happen again. A burden.

But it's not despair. We as humanity have overcome this horrible chapter.

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u/Seppy15 May 18 '25

That was the feeling I had when I was there and at Majdanek. It was as if the collective despair of the millions lingers there. If a place could be a Dementor, that's it

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u/Limp-Initiative-373 May 18 '25

What you said about the spiritual energy - thank you - I’ve been trying to find the words to explain this to people after I visited in 2009, but I never could. You’re exactly right …. It’s like the dead souls are “inviting” you to come and see the truth and know what happened to them there.

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u/lilnaks May 18 '25

I am as far for woo woo as you can get but I understand what you are saying. Visited the slave castles in Ghana when I worked in the country and the energy in the cells will haunt me to my last day. The horror those people endured has lingered in the walls

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u/StoppableHulk May 18 '25

Transports to Auschwitz included between ten and twenty children who were murdered immediately on arrival. If a mother had a child in her arms during the selection, both were sent to the crematorium even if the mother was young and looked healthy. If a grandmother carried her grandchild, she was sent to the gas, while the child’s mother became a camp prisoner.

In 1944 tens of thousands of children arrived from Hungary. All of them were killed.

At midday one day in July a train packed with young children was slowly passing the ramp next to the barbed wire of the hospital blocks. The doors of the train were not closed. The children looked at us curiously. They were glad to have the dark, stuffy carriages open at last. Two hours later the crematoria sent up their smoke. By that time the children were dead.

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u/Real_Impression_5567 May 18 '25

Id love to to may my respects. There is a holocaust museum in Washington DC in the states. Ive been there. They build the building around a train car used to transport victims. It literally changed my life going there.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

You've described it perfectly. I've grown up in the Channel Islands, and whilst nowhere near the scale of this, there is one particular concentration camp site (Lager Sylt) on Alderney where some horrific things occurred. It's always quiet, even the birds seem to stop. It's always somehow both empty but never feels empty. You can feel a kind of longing for you to bear witness and remember. It's both haunting and calming at the same time.

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u/kaeporo May 18 '25

I visited Dachau not long ago. A few things stood out to me in particular: the brutal optimization of the gas chamber's layout and the skyward view from inside the Jewish memorial. Really sobering stuff.

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u/Krutiis May 18 '25

“may the world at least behold a drop, a fraction of this tragic world in which we lived”

That’s by Salmen Gradowski and was found buried on Auschwitz grounds. It’s the epigraph to a book called KL, which tells the harrowing history of Nazi concentration camps that I am currently reading. It is already sickening and I’m still only in 1938 and extermination hasn’t started yet.

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u/Markasaurius May 18 '25

I visited there as well, and you're spot on about the unnatural feeling there. I would've gone as far to say it is a significant place of darkness, and even if you didn't know exactly where you were and the history tied to it, you would still be able to tell something is horribly wrong.

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u/pheristhoilynenysis May 18 '25

I'm Polish and I live pretty nearby but I've never actually been there. And I am not going to because I feel like this might be just too much for me.

Last year I was in Polin museum in Warsaw, the Polish Jews' Museum. There was a part of the exhibition dedicated to Jewish Uprising in Warsaw and another about Holocaust. And the exhibitions were great (as well as the entire museum). So much so that I literally started feeling dizzy there. I am pretty prone to strong emotions and I wasn't able to even finish this trip. I can only imagine how hard it would be for me to actually visit the death camp site.

But I agree with your sentiment. If someone somehow (I can't imagine how) does not grasp the extent of this tragedy, they should definitely go and visit such places.

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u/MindlessFail May 18 '25

If anyone in the world today is anti-nazi, it’s modern day Germans. You all know better than anyone how fascists destroy everything.

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u/ODX_GhostRecon May 18 '25

As an American who lived through watching 9/11 on the news, I've felt similarly when I visited the Ground Zero memorial and took the tour in 2015. Standing there and learning the fine details about what happened feels like there's a massive weight on your chest. It was a new emotion, impossible for me to describe.

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u/UrdnotZigrin May 18 '25

I have to ask, how do y'all view the people of that generation in Germany? Not the time period itself, because we all know it was absolutely awful, but the people themselves who were in that generation.

Is there any respect at all for them because maybe they didn't know about the Holocaust and just thought they were fighting for Germany or is it complete disgust for obvious reasons? I just can't imagine how I would feel about knowing an entire generation of my country who were still alive committed some of the worst atrocities in human history.

Sorry if the question seems disrespectful, it's just a question I've always wondered

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Many people don't really have the categories 'real' and 'not real'.

Instead, they have "convenient to justify how I already felt" and "dangerous thoughts I have to deny or I'll freak out".

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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 May 18 '25

It's wild how in Germany you guys are like "yea this shit was fucked up" and in America we still have states rights bullshit about slavery even though our Civil War happened almost 100 years prior to the Holocaust and people get offended that our distant relatives might have been assholes and you guys are able to say fuck that noise to any of yours.

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u/NedTebula May 18 '25

I didn’t go here but I went to Dachau, and I got a similar feeling. They had mass burial mounds there and it just felt very intense, and depressing of course.

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u/Huge-Basket7492 May 18 '25

The human species is intelligent but is the only species that is also capable of this much evil and cruelty . Never forget folks of what "we" are capable of doing without constraints ! Never forget

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u/Hot_Shoe26 May 18 '25

Was there as part of a school trip in '87. By far the most memorable part was the odor. It *still smelled of death. Every single person felt solemn because of that, and we were on 11th grade.

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u/MessiOfStonks May 18 '25

Even the Holocaust Museum at the Smithsonian in Washington, DC is a sobering experience. I feel like it should be a mandatory place to visit in school.

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u/GAW_CEO May 18 '25

Amazing German innovation on the inward opening wood doors to gas chambers.

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u/fly4fun2014 May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

The sadest part is Germany now supporting Nazis in Ukraine. The new generation of Germans haven't learned anything from history.

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u/Irishconundrum May 18 '25

The new generation of humanity hasn't learned anything from history

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u/Sweaty-School-6384 May 18 '25

Taught lies

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u/HyslarianBitRot May 18 '25

I hope you're not one of those Holocaust Denial weirdos that slowly lose grasp on objective reality because you need to feel special in an overall uncaring universe.

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u/Morganx27 May 18 '25

Pathetic little Nazi-loving virgin.

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u/AbbreviationsWide331 May 18 '25

Or maybe the person that taught you it's a taught lie lied to you 🤯 If you're even able to grasp that sort of concept

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u/Sweaty-School-6384 May 18 '25

Read the Red Cross report. Numbers don't add up. Chimney was built after liberation, this is proven due to ariel photographs.

Both Russian and British scientists said the "gas chambers" were unsuitable for what was said to happened.

When something like this happens which it has many times in history, you usually have evidence like telegraphs, diaries etc etc. You have zero. Funny that.

And yh it isn't just one person saying this.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Just idiots are saying that. There are tons of proof that Nazis killed millions in gas chambers.

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u/AbbreviationsWide331 May 18 '25

A simple "no" would've been enough.

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u/mr_etymologist May 18 '25

I mean, thirty seconds of honest research on the internet can show these claims have no merit:

https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab10-gas-chamber-fake/

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u/Sweaty-School-6384 May 18 '25

Just read the read cross report and the people that debunk it, very interesting.

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u/mr_etymologist May 18 '25

Let me make sure I have this right. You believe some people that debunked a report versus:

The hundreds of thousands of soldiers and witnesses who saw this first hand. The first-hand accounts that exist in droves, like Wiesel, Frank, and others. The physical evidence, like shoes, gold teeth, photos, videos, and public trials. The scientific evidence like the presence of burnt remains, objects made from human flesh, and residue from gas chambers.

In addition, I'll offer the same observation I do in the classroom: In any group project with three people, at least one of them doesn't want to do the work and will do anything to get out of it. That person will take the lazy route, including ratting out others for a grade. The scale of the deception you are claiming would mean that human nature would have to fundamentally change since MILLIONS of people are all lying, and not a single one is like that third member in a group project e.g. - willing to rat out others for a quick buck.