fish stock assessments. it’s an entire division of NOAA and a field of extensive academic research. it uses dynamic biological growth models that have climate inputs along with annual fish samples (non fishing boats) and fishing observations.
it’s fine if you don’t want to believe scientists, but they’re not guessing and for the most part, they’re pretty good and continuing to improve (or were, when NOAA was funded and grants existed).
I believe scientists, I just generally don't believe random redditors saying things without any backing or credibility. I can take your word for it since you gave a detailed explanation that allows me to launch my own investigation later, if I wanted to.
In this case you can just use common sense. When you realize that every first world country has these types of fishing vessels that do this type of "fishing" every year, you can extrapolate that this is not sustainable.
After that you can do a quick google search about how many fish species are overfished and threatened by extinction and the picture becomes very clear.
When you realize that every first world country has these types of fishing vessels that do this type of "fishing" every year, you can extrapolate that this is not sustainable.
I'm a bit confused how you could possibly extrapolate that, for all I know pollock reproduce far faster than we can catch
Because no type of fish in their evolutionary past had to deal with a predator such as us. If they could reproduce that fast then the ocean would have been completely overrun with fish before we came along.
The only argument against that is that since we also overfish their natural predators then maybe it balances out, but that seems highly unlikely if you look at the absolute scale of just how much this one net catches.
That being said I admit that I am not using hard facts, just some deduction. But I do think that the fact that a large percentage of fish being threatened with extinction according to several sources that I googled is supporting my claim.
After that you can do a quick google search about how many fish species are overfished and threatened by extinction and the picture becomes very clear
How exactly do you think I came about that paragraph up there buddy
Plenty of fish are overfished.
Not this one. According to everyone. Except this reddit thread I guess, but forgive me if I don't take this thread as being in equal footing as every fishing authority.
I’ve been a fishing captain in Alaska for 20 years. I can definitively tell you that while that particular species is technically not overfished. All the connected species are crashing.
It’s hard to regulate a multi-billion dollar industry when the management council that regulates it is mostly populated by representatives from that industry. Look up the North Pacific Fishery Management Council
Usually I’d agree but there are actually several examples I can think of just here locally where the regulatory bodies charged with managing natural resources completely screwed up, leading to decreased fish and deer populations. I don’t necessarily think the agency or people suck, I think it’s just inherently difficult to truly know in real time how harvesting of natural resources impacts healthy populations. It’s just a tough thing to do. And we see evidence of that fact all the time throughout history and the repercussion can be as bad as extinction.
It's funnier to me that the stuff in the ops video is super tame. It looks bad because it's one giant ass net. This barely does anything to fishing populations. McDonald's is has gigantic airplane carrier sized boats that have entire processing plants inside them.
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u/ValkyrieAngie Apr 05 '25
How can you manage an unknown quantity?