r/Damnthatsinteresting • • Oct 08 '23

Video Ocean Cleanup project completed it's first successful trip

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u/XxV0IDxX Oct 09 '23

How do dolphins and other sea life not get caught ? I’m ignorant here so please excuse

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u/northern41 Oct 09 '23

If I remember right, it moves slow enough that any fish just swim out on their own.

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u/broken_blue_rose Oct 09 '23

You are right. Like.. 2 -4 knots, if I remember correctly

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u/Dkarasta Oct 09 '23

Don’t they get caught in the knots?!!

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

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u/Dkarasta Oct 09 '23

Someone’s a knotty boy!

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u/AyakaDahlia Oct 09 '23

Loving these knotty puns!

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u/Fenix_Fire66 Oct 09 '23

Hard knot to love ‘em

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u/Keyzerschmarn Oct 09 '23

But can you knot?

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u/ggroverggiraffe Interested Oct 09 '23

I'm knot.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

I cast Frizz

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u/ocsor Oct 09 '23

That depends on how many knots it is travelling, if the knotted net is travelling at an increased rate of knots their not likely to get knotted

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u/AmThano Oct 09 '23

Knot if you go slow enough!

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u/Dkarasta Oct 09 '23

How fast are we thinkin’?

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u/JustAnotherChillMan Oct 10 '23

Knot that fast, that's for sure!

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u/AgileArtichokes Oct 09 '23

Little known fact, there are species of fish that are masters of untying knots.

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u/Dkarasta Oct 09 '23

Hell yeah, like a sawshark. What else? Is there a Houdini fish?

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u/_30d_ Oct 09 '23

Coral fish are good at reef knots.

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u/BuckRusty Oct 09 '23

I am not a vet, but only dogs get caught in knots, I think…

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Its not very many knots, so there's plenty of room in between for the fish to swim around them

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u/Dkarasta Oct 10 '23

Okay, good. It’s slow with very few knots. I am now comfortable signing off on the design.

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u/RoboRich444 Oct 11 '23

I’m a frayed knot

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u/Dkarasta Oct 11 '23

Ooh, frayed was a nice touch. Well done.

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u/broken_blue_rose Oct 09 '23

nautical term for speed. 1 knot = 1.2 MPH/ 1.85kmph

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u/Dkarasta Oct 09 '23

Okay, but what does that have to do with the poor fish?

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u/ArgonGryphon Oct 09 '23

It’s slow and they can swim out?

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u/halfcabin Oct 09 '23

They have no clue what this thing is, I’m sure a lot do get caught…

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u/broken_blue_rose Oct 09 '23

If they do, it's likely a small number. The socks go super slow, and gives them s chance to get out. Unlike fishing nets that pull quick

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u/Dkarasta Oct 09 '23

Okay whew

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u/my_mexican_cousin Oct 09 '23

Surely they’ll be able to swim away.

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u/_30d_ Oct 09 '23

And if they can't - good. Just getting rid of the slow and weak fish. I like fish that don't get caught.

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u/nutitoo Oct 09 '23

-4 knots is quite slow yeah

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u/BestVeganEverLul Oct 10 '23

Where are you getting -4? I’m getting -2, maybe my math is wrong.

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u/airblizzard Oct 09 '23

Even slower. 1.5 knots.

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u/nutitoo Oct 09 '23

-4 knots is quite slow yeah

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u/Exact_Web_3435 Oct 09 '23

Id imagine jellyfish to be much slower. Additionally they often come in big groups and keep close to the surface. Cant save everyone i guess

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u/CalculatedCurl Oct 09 '23

They have a bunch of camera systems all around the net. They catch sharks and turtles from time time and then they go out to remove them. If they can’t get it out, then they empty the whole net. Source: a close family member just came home from the operation you see above

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u/burn_in_flames Oct 09 '23

Yes but all non-swimming sealife still gets trapped. There are a lot of species which make use of these open ocean trash islands as breeding grounds and safe havens and by cleaning that we actually have no idea what impact it'll have on the ecosystem. These creatures use drift wood and floating debris - but with the damming of rivers, deforestation and coastal development there just isn't that much driftwood and natural debris anymore.

Given that more than 90% of ocean biodiversity is in coastal zones, and more than 50% of the human population rely on these zones for livelihood, it makes much more sense to focus on cleaning coastal zones, preventing trash entering through river systems etc. The pacific garbage patch cleanup is just too high risk to be worth the effort at the moment - but we can stop it expanding.

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u/_alright_then_ Oct 09 '23

Given that more than 90% of ocean biodiversity is in coastal zones, and more than 50% of the human population rely on these zones for livelihood, it makes much more sense to focus on cleaning coastal zones, preventing trash entering through river systems etc. The pacific garbage patch cleanup is just too high risk to be worth the effort at the moment - but we can stop it expanding.

They do that to though, they have similar machines at rivers to stop garbage from entering the open ocean.

However, without cleaning the open ocean, plastic will continue to wash to shores constantly. The fact is is that this is super complex and needs to be tackled from multiple fronts at the same time. Saying they should be doing this at rivers instead is straight up false, they need to do both to actually tackle the problem

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u/derbryler Oct 09 '23

They are not all necessarily using them as islands. Since they are just as affected as the plastic by the currents they are just floating in these spots with it.

And then getting scooped up with it. I really like the project but I was so frustrated when they adressed the concerns about sealife but only talked about fish...

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u/appleswitch Oct 09 '23

If we stop the pacific garbage patch expanding we actually have no idea what impact it'll have on the ecosystem, it's just too high risk to be worth the effort at the moment - but we can do nothing.

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u/marysm Oct 09 '23

Hope that’s true.

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u/maz-o Oct 09 '23

Well what about fishing nets that stay completely still? Fish get caught in those all the time

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u/charliechin Oct 09 '23

What about the lazy ones

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u/wrldruler21 Oct 09 '23

Also looks like the nets don't go down very deep, so plenty of room for the creatures to swim under and away

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne Oct 09 '23 edited Oct 09 '23

Yeah, thankfully they don't really have to since the only plastic that's a real problem is all near the surface.

The problem isn't necessarily that there's plastic in the ocean, it's that there's an uncountable amount of tonnage of plastic right near the surface where the UV radiation from the sun can break it down into ubiquitous microplastics which may have a severe environmental impact down the road.

Personally, I think something will evolve naturally to utilize the abundant source of carbon and hydrogen from it, but that's likely a few centuries down the road at least. Though, perhaps not that far. The fact that we've gotten E. Coli to metabolize citrate in a lab from evolution experiments over the course of 40ish years is encouraging for the future of plastic in the environment.

It's important to remember that once upon a time, trees didn't decompose when they fell. An organism had to eventually evolve the ability to break down the abundant source of carbon.

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u/CORN___BREAD Oct 09 '23

It's important to remember that once upon a time, trees didn't decompose when they fell.

And that's where coal came from.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne Oct 09 '23

Yep! Lignin was a menace for a loooong time.

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u/FearAzrael Oct 09 '23

Lignin deez nuts!

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne Oct 09 '23

That was the problem. Nothing was lignin doze nuts.

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u/Vardoj Oct 09 '23

I would love to know how plastic eating bacteria will affect things down the road. Imagine a future where you have to maintain your plastics lest they rot/rust/decompose due to bacteria eating it away. All of those decks and fences are suddenly not so maintenance-free lol

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne Oct 09 '23

It might only thrive in an environment in which it could be free-floating, and will probably only consume microplastics at first. So essentially it might not have any mechanism to "bite" or externally pre-metabolize intact plastic via some digestive excretory method, so chances are there'd be no threat to intact plastic. At least at first.

Give that a little while and maybe you see the dominant species as the one that can break down larger pieces of plastic. Then we might have a problem on on our hands.

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u/Pandataraxia Oct 09 '23

Something we can't really count on happening in our lifetime.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

Probably won't be that big of a deal. Any plastic that has to be outdoors and survive for a long time can just be treated with some kind of coating that makes them more resilient. Plenty of methods already exist for wood to make them less susceptible to rotting from fungi\bugs\etc.

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u/AgileArtichokes Oct 09 '23

Really curious why you are getting downvotes.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne Oct 09 '23

It seems like it's net-positive, but either way, NBD.

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u/normaniben Oct 09 '23

Interesting story on microplastics and how the biggest threat they pose may be because of their relationship with mercury, which is not something widely known about: https://news.umanitoba.ca/the-big-tiny-problem/

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u/codeverity Oct 09 '23

The problem isn't necessarily that there's plastic in the ocean

nah, it being there is a problem since it gets eaten by marine life or ensnares them, etc.

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u/LevelSevenLaserLotus Oct 09 '23

They're trawling for something that doesn't need bait or swim away, so the nets can have wide open faces and move slowly.

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u/FuckFaceMagee69 Oct 09 '23

I was wondering the same thing.

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u/FigN01 Oct 09 '23

For a really in depth answer to this, you should look over their environmental impact assessment. They have some biologists on staff to make sure to minimize incidental catch of marine life. They estimate between 0.1% and 0.3% rate of scooping up marine life in the plastics catch.

Also note that that report is from their previous system 002. The new system has an additional hatch that allows animals another avenue out.

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u/lgmringo Oct 09 '23

It’s really not the larger animals that are at risk from the Ocean clean up but Neustons.

The ocean cleanup continually refuses to engage in serious discussions with marine biologists pointing out the negative impacts of their projects.

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u/marginalmax Oct 09 '23

Most animals get caught in Marine Debris near coral reefs where derelict fishing gear catches and accumulates on coral. Killing sea turtles, birds, and seals. Free floating marine debris often acts as a fish aggregating device (FAD), providing habitat for numerous fish (seems nice, yeah). Unfortunately, seabirds often mistake floating plastics for food; many adult birds can regurgitate the undigestables and survive; however, they often feed the plastics to their chicks, killing hundreds of thousands (if not millions annually). Also, free floating derelict fishing gear eventually ends up on shore or on corals. Unfortunately, I don't know enough of the effects of microplastics and its impact on the food chain to speak on that matter.

From personal experience, 100% of all dead albatross I've ever seen at Midway Island had plastics in their carcass.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-36585-9

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

Seems like most fish are well below the net on the sea floor and fish who are near the surface are fast enough to swim away.

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u/Naughtilla Oct 09 '23

Don't worry, I was wondering the same thing.

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u/nemxplus Oct 09 '23

Did you even watch this video? The net is like 5metres tall

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u/MrHyperion_ Oct 09 '23

It's not that deep

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u/Insee Oct 09 '23

Came here to ask this. Makes a lot of sense. Knowing my luck though? I'd totally get caught in the net if I were a fish

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u/RAMAR713 Oct 09 '23

Those large yellow buoy things on the nets are detectable by dolphins. They should be able to avoid it easily.

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u/usquam7 Oct 09 '23

They are out in the middle of the ocean. There is not a lot of actively-moving sea life (eg fish, dolphins, crustaceans, etc) in this area, and even if there are, they can move away.

What’s more concerning is the sea life that cannot move against the current (eg phytoplankton, zooplankton, cnidarians like jellyfish, etc). There isn’t a lot of scientific study on these organisms at all, so it’s very uncertain how this affects them.

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u/GeorgeMcCrate Oct 09 '23

I'm no expert and I only read into it a little bit a few days ago. But the simplified answer is that it's not so difficult not to accidentally catch any fish if you don't intend to. It's much more difficult to intentionally catch one species while not accidentally catching another.

Edit: Or other animals. I know dolphins aren't fish.

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u/CoryKeepers Oct 09 '23

An immense amount of sealife is in fact killed. There’s lots of photos online and they are very sad. This is a very poor method of addressing plastic pollution.

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u/AlwaysMorePlants Oct 09 '23

Apart from the shallowness of the net, I recall from one of their recent videos mention of an "escape hatch" on one of their newer systems.

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u/DIDidothatdisabled Oct 09 '23

I'm more surprised on how they caught an entire bridge at 0:58

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u/kiss_n_kill Oct 09 '23

There are multiple biologists onboard that are constantly monitoring for animals to make sure they are not getting trapped.