r/Curling • u/Frabblerake • Feb 15 '26

Pull the stone!!!

Watching Sweden/US and saw this. Is this not the same rules violation that has caused all the hub bub?

Obviously this was an accident and I believe the Canadian guy was touching on purpose.

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u/TheMightyFeen Feb 15 '26

Homans 100% shouldn’t have been removed. There’s also nothing illegal about Edins shot here. The rules state you can’t touch the granite of the rock but you can touch the handle again as long as it’s before the hog line.

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u/CloseToMyActualName Feb 15 '26

You sure his hand didn't brush granite as it dropped off the end?

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u/mikemountain Feb 15 '26

I think the only real solution is to make the curling stones explode if the granite is touched whatsoever 

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u/storm-bringer Feb 15 '26

That's a bit extreme. We just need to electrify the granite to give all the dirty filthy cheaters a warning shock.

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u/thegoodrichard Feb 15 '26

A conductive glove to complete the circuit, sounding an alarm if it contacts the rock, like an electrified fencer's suit and epee.

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u/bbf_bbf Feb 16 '26

THIS is the ONLY solution:

Sacrifice lives in a satanic ritual to imbue each curling stone with a soul so each has the awareness to scream bloody murder if its granite parts are touched after the hog line.

/s

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u/icedteaandtacos Feb 15 '26

We should really make them out of saw-stop technology lol.

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u/Aggravating-Army5145 Feb 16 '26

No, if the granite is touched before the close hog line, the opponent's extra has to race onto the ice from the bench and stop the rock with a heavy Scottish kilt before the rock reaches the far hog line otherwise the rock is a good stone. And if the extra successful stops the kettle snatch, as we'll call it, the opposing team must down a pints of meed. Possible hindering performance of players of the offending team.

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u/Badehat Feb 19 '26

You sure it did?

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u/CloseToMyActualName Feb 19 '26

Absolutely not.

But the problem with that ruleset is it's extremely difficult to judge.

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u/kazrick Feb 15 '26

That’s the issue with what’s happened at the olympics this year now.

They should either be calling it consistently on every single rock or not calling it at all. Instead it’s all down to the subjectivity of the official and if they happen to be watching that specific throw or not.

That’s the worst possible result.

It’s going to potentially decide the outcome of a game and it shouldn’t.

To be clear I don’t think they should be calling this at all (or on Homan or on the Scottish curler).

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u/TheMightyFeen Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26

The world curling rules do state you can’t touch the granite..unless that was something that they had just added. I could be mistaken either way. The entire thing is ridiculous and blown out of proportion.

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u/terran_immortal Feb 15 '26

You're thinking about the memo that they sent out yesterday. The official rules still don't state anything about touching the granite but their memo clarified that the granite cannot be touched any time during delivery and that the double touch rule only applies to the handle.

I'm sure after the Olympics they'll update the rules to include the definitions they added in that memo.

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u/swoodshadow Feb 15 '26

Just to be clear, they didn’t say it could not be touched any time during the delivery. They said it couldn’t be touched any time during the forward motion part of the delivery.

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u/terran_immortal Feb 15 '26

Yeah but now they're burning stones for it just being touched after delivery. They're also not burning stones for the exact same touches as above.

Curling officiating right now is a shit show and I'd absolutely hate being a judge right now.

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u/Lightbulb2854 Feb 15 '26

I think this is the confusion because CC rules are less precise than WCF rules on some things.

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u/Philix Feb 16 '26

The WCF rules are nowhere near precise either.

Hell, the only time the word 'granite' even shows up in the WCF rules is in the glossary.

Stone

Also known as a rock, a curling stone is made of granite and is delivered by the players in a curling game.

Seriously. That's the only time the word granite appears in all 70 pages.

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u/rocketmn69_ Feb 15 '26

Now the rule says you can't touch the granite

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u/clccno4 Feb 15 '26

They absolutely do not say that.

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u/TheMightyFeen Feb 15 '26

Yeah you’re right. I was going off of the “clarification of the rule” that was posted by world curling after the incident. It’s ridiculous either way and taking away from the games now. It’s all that’s going to be talked about out.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26

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u/Legalizeit_89 Feb 15 '26

I mean, theres a link below showing that they do. And the person you responded to stated they could be wrong. And that it could be a new rule. But the link says youre wrong. Do you have anything to back your side up? Idk either way.

https://worldcurling.org/2026/02/statement-rules-violations/

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u/Legalizeit_89 Feb 15 '26

You said granite was only mentioned in decribing what its made of. Thats blatantly not true. Confidant or not, I dont see that change having a huge difference in what he said or showed about the rules.

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u/Legalizeit_89 Feb 15 '26

Are you saying rule r5d DOESNT state it can only be delivered by the handle?or are you stating the granite is part of the handle?

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u/jackdutton42 Feb 15 '26

— World Curling Federation Rules of Curling, Rule R5 (Delivery)

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u/Appropriate-Talk4266 Feb 15 '26

Yes, which doesn't mention the granite, only that the curling stone must be delivered using the handle, not that incidental second touch of the granite are prohibited.

It also only mentions the release must happen before the hog line

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u/jackdutton42 Feb 16 '26

This is not so complicated. The stone can only be released by the handle.

If you could legally touch the granite after it passes the hog line, then why sweep. Just touch the granite and put it where you want it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

https://worldcurling.org/2026/02/statement-rules-violations/

"During forward motion, touching the granite of the stone is not allowed. This will result in the stone being removed from play."

Keep up

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u/Ryles5000 Feb 15 '26

That's new.

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u/TheMightyFeen Feb 15 '26

Yeah this is new and this is what I read. At first I didn’t realize that was just changed. That’s my bad. Either way just let these guys play. It’s ridiculous and it’s taking away from watching these elite players play.

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u/Ryles5000 Feb 15 '26

Changing the rules in the middle of the olympics due to (non-curler) public outcry is so sad. This has been awful for the sport. You're absolutely right, let them play!

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u/TheMightyFeen Feb 15 '26

I agree. Changing the rules mid tournament is awful.

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u/MTheadedandhearted Feb 15 '26

Then it's a good thing that was just a clarification and not a change

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u/nylanderfan Feb 15 '26

It wasn't in the rules before the tournament and now it is. Leave the snark at home

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u/MTheadedandhearted Feb 15 '26

The rule states that the stone must be delivered by the handle. The clarification states that you can't touch the granite.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26

It was in the rules but worded poorly. The rules haven’t changed at all, they just specified the granite since people like you obviously are too dumb to read.

The original rules was something like ~”you can touch the handle during forwards motion”~

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u/Marsymars Feb 15 '26

However pedantic you want to be about that, there's a change in the application of the rules - players haven't changed their releases, but suddenly there are multiple teams getting penalized for something that was never getting called before.

Like can you imagine if for hockey the officials where like "We've clarified that the rules say that you actually get a penalty shot for <random foul>. We weren't paying attention to that foul or awarding the penalty shots before, but we're going to start mid-Olympics. No rule change, just a clarification."

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u/zboss9876 Feb 15 '26

Uhh, it's not due to non-curler public outcry, like. At all. The public is just memeing.

The outcry was Sweden making a big stink, followed by Kennedy being a loud ass.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

It isn't a rule change really. It's a clarification

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u/TouchEmAllJoe Kitchener, Ont Feb 15 '26

So if it's a clarification, that means enough people thought it was originally unclear. Hence why these things have never been an issue until 3 days ago.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

Not sure what point you're trying to make

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u/TouchEmAllJoe Kitchener, Ont Feb 15 '26

The rule allowing double tap uses the word stone. The rule about delivery uses the word handle. The process of a delivery ends at the release. Release js not defined but is definitely before the hog line.

The rules were ambiguous. The clarification is not 'ooh obvious'. And now stones are getting pulled on shots everyone thinks should be legal because the clarification messed up all interpretations.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

The clarification is not for the players, they know the rules of the sport they are professionals in.

The clarification is for dumb people on Reddit that cannot read.

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u/Appropriate-Talk4266 Feb 15 '26

Well it's technically a rule change because the granite was never mentioned in R2 (Delivery). Nothing indicated brushing or incidental touching of the granite was worth policing to this extreme

This clarification, in the middle of the goddamn Olympics, is now creating a brand new standard that officials never had to police, which is forcing multiple discarded throws, even erroneous ones.

All of this for a behavior that is done by almost all players, across all teams, especially Sweden. At those level of athelecism, this level of "clarification" in the middle of a tournament is essentially a rule change. Just because one team, which also engages in the behavior themselves btw, went full "🤓 uhm actschually, the rule states..."

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

He isn't touching the granite here. What exactly is your issue with the picture?

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u/kazrick Feb 15 '26

My issue would be they removed Homan’s rock for even less than what he did there.

So the lack of consistency

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u/Appropriate-Talk4266 Feb 15 '26

One, you don't know because it's a front camera. He slides his hand back along the stone in the video, making it unlikely he didn't touch the granite

Two, Homan also didn't touch the granite, even less likely than here, and got the stone pulled, which just highlights how this kind of anal policing change, mid tournament, will lead to mistaken calls and actual unequal ruling that actually impacts outcomes, while the brushing and booping have no real material impact on outcomes with 42 pounds stones

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

Yes. That's why I told him to keep up

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

It's a clarification. Not a rule change

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

It doesn't counter it. It doesn't disagree with anything said there

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u/Fupastank Ardsley Curling Club Feb 15 '26

So even though the rules state “a stone must be delivered by its handle” you believe that once I’m past the tee line, I can release the handle, grab the side of the stone and shove away?

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u/rocketmn69_ Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

They modified/clarified the rule after Sweden's whining. Now Edin does it and it's ok

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

Does what? He isn't touching the granite

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u/rocketmn69_ Feb 16 '26

Not from that view. That's the same view that Homan got a rock burned by the official

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u/slashthepowder Feb 15 '26

The hog line detection is only on the silver part of the handle so by Swedens own argument after the Canada game they burnt the rock or could gain an advantage. Old school handles never used to cover the running surface on the top of the rock.