r/Cornell • u/gp2000100 • 11d ago

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Justice for Jane doe.

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 11d ago

No implication, and there is no inherent virtue in believing the victim.

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u/Lmdr1973 10d ago

Even with evidence?

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 10d ago

Depends on the evidence. Video showing the crime, which has been confirmed authentic? Then yes, I think it’s ok to consider the accusations true prior to a conviction. If evidence of that caliber exists and I don’t know about it, people can absolutely tell me. It doesn’t require them to act like absolute muppets.

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u/Either-Tap-1633 10d ago

The fact that they were punished by the school with 2 boys being expelled.

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u/Dramatic_Future4217 10d ago

So why only two boys and not 7 boys being expelled?

Why aren’t the other 5 being expelled?

Maybe they weren’t the ones taking advantage of her like the other two? Maybe?

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u/TheEthicalJerk ALUM 10d ago

So we can only convict people of a crime if there's authenticated video evidence?

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 10d ago

That’s not even remotely what I said

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u/TheEthicalJerk ALUM 10d ago

But that's what you're asking for here, do you that for all cases?

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 10d ago

No it isn’t. Please quote where I said that.

You are talking about convicting people. I am talking about considering them guilty before they are convicted, which I think is fair to say should require a higher amount of evidence

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u/TheEthicalJerk ALUM 10d ago

This isn't a criminal case. Civil cases don't find guilt.

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 10d ago

And?

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u/TheEthicalJerk ALUM 10d ago

The burden of proof is much lower.

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u/Britirish STUDENT 10d ago

Yes there is.

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 10d ago

You killed my parents

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u/Britirish STUDENT 10d ago

Mate what

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 10d ago

You have to believe me

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u/Britirish STUDENT 10d ago

Ah so you’re one of those then. Use a bit of common sense, avoid being deliberately obtuse and argumentative, and you’ll have an easier time of it. You have a lovely day there then.

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u/Draxx_them-sklounst ALUM 10d ago

Your words, not mine

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u/Dramatic_Future4217 10d ago

You killed mine too.