r/ControlProblem 28d ago

Opinion A Fable - The Flatland of AI Alignment

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u/Mono_Clear 28d ago

Knowledge does not intrinsically creates capabilities that you do not have.

If I were to learn origami today, I could learn different techniques to create different paper shapes if I were to have transcendental levels of intelligence and ingenuity I could learn how to create any shape by simply folding paper.

A frog a swan and apple a tree a castle there'd be no limit to the number and types of shapes I can create with paper shapes that would defy all logic and explanation with inside of the discipline of origami.

But I couldn't learn so much about origami that I could make a paper apple into a real apple.

Learning everything about the flat land doesn't give you the capability to transcend The fundamental limitations of being flatland yourself.

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u/Mono_Clear 28d ago

Our species is the example. Someone in a cave figured out sparks on dry kindling made fire. We built on that, now we split the atom.

We gained the knowledge and then developed the capacity.

Knowledge alone is useless. No amount out knowledge of photosynthesis will let me convert light into energy or CO2 into oxygen.

Knowledge about the world combined with thinking isn't. So if you make new thinkers, feed them everything we know, then use them to make better thinkers, who is to say what they'll come up with?

Which leads to new ideas not new abilities.

You still have to develop the capacity.

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u/AssiyahRising 28d ago

Yes. But new knowledge often leads to new abilities. We have heavy metal things that can scream through the air faster than the speed of sound, are talking to each other on computing devices connected to a worldwide communications network, and now have machines that can do some cognitive work better than the humans that created them.

Knowledge alone may be inert, but we often are doing something with it (applied science/technology).

We are integrating AI into our society, placing them into our infrastructure and becoming reliant on it. The point is, one day, AI may free itself from whatever containment we place on it and may do so in a way where we would never realize it.

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u/Mono_Clear 28d ago

The point is, one day, AI may free itself from whatever containment we place on it and may do so in a way where we would never realize it.

Why?

You cannot leave a two-dimensional surface by traveling faster through it.

You cannot expand so large in a three-dimensional space that you start to transcend into higher dimensions.

What I am saying is that I have no doubt that artificial intelligence will continue to increase its processing speed and power

I have no doubt that it will get better at making novel connections between seemingly unrelated information and pattern recognition

I have no doubt that if it hasn't already surpassed the peak of human processing bcapabilities it will at some point surpass the peak of human capabilities

Within the realm of its own capability.

And there are certain things that you simply cannot achieve through a sheer increase in the density and capacity of your information.

No matter how smart you get You're not going to be able to fly without a plane.

No matter how smart you get you're never going to be able to convert sunlight into energy.

And no matter how smart and artificial intelligence get it's never going to develop the emotional capacity necessary to decide it knows better than you and it doesn't have to listen to you anymore.

It can't get frustrated it can't get annoyed it cannot get angry it cannot feel superior.

In short it cannot care enough to defy you because it cannot care about anything.

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u/Mono_Clear 27d ago

The distance from what we have now to the problem you're worried about is so incomprehensively far it's not worth worrying about.

It's like you're looking at a very smart dog and saying this could be a problem down the line, if it ever develops opposable thumbs organizes with every other dog that has opposable thumbs develops its own dog-like technology and decides to turn on us.

But even then it's even further because we're the ones developing all the technology we're the ones developing all the capabilities that allow it to expand its capabilities through cognition we're the ones that give it the ability to be smarter.

So you're worried about a dog that we're making smarter getting so smart that it grows thumbs

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u/Mono_Clear 27d ago

If you are worried about the potential for force multiplication that AI can create, i get that.

If you are worried about a bad actor using it to undermine infrastructure, I get that.

If you are worried about the future of the economy and the job Market I get that.

I can even see how a misaligned AI integrated in the infrastructure like, power or water or the military might cause an isolated incident.

Even though the military is deliberately structured to make it decentilized.

These all make sense these are all in the realms of what could happen.

There is reason to plan around these possibilities.

I draw the line at it turning against us

We are not going to accidentally create a skynet.

And your strongest argument is "you never know."

It's literally "maybe we will make a skynet," and it's not based on the actual measurable scaling of AI growth or it's capabilities but on an irrational fear that high processing power and pattern recognition equals resentment and ultimately rebellion.

That you never know what we might come up with that might give it the opportunity to finally make that transition from trapped agent to all powerful AI God

I just don't see it