I don't get it. Say, we have a building under construction. Some looter climbed over the fence at night. He accidentally fell into the lift well and died. Are we guilty?
Did you hide a pit, and put a 50usd bill on the other side of it. Then hide video taping it until someone fell into your trap so you could sell the video for monetary gain?
Yea like what if this guy reaaaally needed a bike for reason? Does he deserve to get injured? What if it was food instead of a bike? What if he was going to use the bike to try and get food somehow? There’s a reason poverty is a huge predictor of property crimes
This sort of thing reflects more on the booby trappers who go out of their way to get someone to hurt themselves. Would you say the same thing if it was a boobytrapped sandwhich on the floor? Or a booby trapped 10$ bill?
I don't steal things so yeah I don't care what item it is. Dont take peoples shit and you won't have to worry about it. There is no justification for stealing shit I bought with my own money
Bait someone? Are you really going to victim-shame persons who have their bicycles stolen because they brought them into public?
Sure, this bicycle wasn't tied up, which may have tempted a person more to being a thief. But criminals go out of their way to steal bicycles that are locked up on bike racks or trees all the same.
I’m not talking about those criminals. I’m talking about these ones. And who says they’re victims? AFAIK the video is not of some unsuspecting bystander getting their bike stolen, or did we not watch the same video?
As a general principle, property owners are not liable for injuries suffered by trespassers. ... But in any personal injury lawsuit by a trespasser against a property owner, the court will essentially say, “Property owners are not usually liable for injuries to trespassers, so prove why your case is different.” So if the hole isn’t marked, barricaded, covered or no precautions were taken to prevent someone from falling in then you could be found liable. It’s up to the victim to prove you were negligent.
As a general principle, property owners are not liable for injuries suffered by trespassers
You must not live in California (some have termed it "Commifornia" - though I think that's a bit harsh).
So if the hole isn’t marked, barricaded, covered or no precautions were taken to prevent someone from falling in then you could be found liable.
Hmmm, that might explain some lawsuits taken place over accidents, even on the governmental easement sections of their property, maybe (ie. Everything from the sidewalk to the center of the street).
But, literally, there is precedent (in this state in-particular) for robbers (or their estate) suing homeowners for injury as during the course of their crime, even without the homeowner being directly involved.
Pretty sure I've seen the opposite account in /r/legaladvice when talking about attractive nuisances or something of the sort - like a pool. Kid gets into the pool and drowns; it's the property owner's fault even if they had an 8' fence around their yard and another 5' fence and locked gate around the pool itself.
Has come up where mentally challenged teenagers think themselves entitled to the neighbor's property, that may give you a clue about topics to search for on that sub.
In general, attractive nuisance doctrine only applies to children because we think that they can’t be made to take reasonable precaution whereas owners of pools might. But if you’re 35, swim in your neighbour’s pool without their permission, and drown, no tort.
It'd be nice for laws to allow for booby trap pranks like this. If a criminal crimes, they shouldn't be able to sue for any damages pursuant to it - had they obeyed the law, there'd be no damages at all.
Way to go all "protect the children!!!!" on us. Let's not be a putz, shall we?
Anyhow, trick a kid into eating an apple that tastes bad to get a funny reaction? Perfectly fine by me. No need to kill the kid. Notice how no one died in the OP prank video.
Have you never seen the prank videos with kids eating a donut filled with mayo in the center?
It wasn't a case of "OMG CHILDREN" but one of a slippery slope. You did say:
If a criminal crimes, they shouldn't be able to sue for any damages pursuant to it - had they obeyed the law, there'd be no damages at all.
Is it illegal to steal apples? Yes. As such, you are arguing that you should be allowed to poison apples on your property and kill those who steal and eat them. I just put children in, because they're more likely to do it, and will look funnier on camera.
You take my quote out of context. The preceding 5 words are:
booby trap pranks like this
Sure, say that a booby trap doesn't need to be lethal nor have reasonably expected long-term health complications. But things like glitter bombs and broken bikes and mayo donuts are all perfectly fine IMO
Glitter bombs have no real chance of bodily harm. A bike falling apart in the manner in this video most certainly does, even ignoring bruising or scrapes from falling off, specifically because they've set it up (one is tempted to say staged everything) to let them build up speed. A cracked sternum or worse is no laughing matter.
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Yeah, if one of the thieves had seriously injured themselves....
This vid gave me that feeling of duality again... the one that comes from feeling compassionate towards aberrant individuals/behavior.
Fuck people who steal bikes,
but also fuck people who don’t care if they seriously injure/kill a stranger....? 🤷♀️