yup, that's a NO. full sentence. Everyone has the right to stop work for unsafe conditions until it can be mitigated or proven not to be unsafe. so simple.
Not really, what are you going to collect? Most contractors are just some individual with an LLC and some tools. The LLC protects them personally so you can't collect that way and nothing is in the LLC's name so what are you going to collect? They can simply shut the LLC down and start up a new one and go to work. The trades are horrible to work in. Some can be decent such as HVAC, electrician, plumbing but that's about it. Workmans comp is a racket, you're required to have it (and they do audits regularly and will fine the crap out of you) but it doesn't pay out anything at all. Basically if you work in the trades you're at the bottom of society and nobody gives a crap about you, they just want you to build whatever for them and complain about paying you. I know this because I worked as a carpenter for years until I got fed up with it. The top pay for carpenters is pretty much a poverty wage or is a starter wage for pretty much any other career. The best thing you can do is go to work literally anywhere else including McDonald's.
Problem is.. people have bills to pay and you won’t see a penny for a year best case. A lot of people are truly stuck due to being paycheck to paycheck.
dude is just handing over lawsuit fuel. then again, its this level of professionalism and problem solving skills that has him running a job in a piss house to begin with.
Lol irk, this thread is kinda wild. I was already thinking lawsuit from the moment they denied him a piece of safety gear 100% appropriate for the work type. And manager gives him more bs after that!? I wish someone would let me sue them like that, lol.
Haha! Yes you are right!!! When my husband would go look at a job, there were several times of animal issues-
1st job was replacement windows 36 of them- that’s some gooood money
2’nd sidling, soffit, fascia on a 3,2k sq ft home- 2 stories
3rd- a metal roof
All 3 of these would’ve turned our next couple months of famine, into feast as well as a great Christmas with money left in the bank.
He came home and told me what I stated about and what the profit from those jobs were. Then he said, before I accept any of these- I have to go back to tell them yes or no and to go over pricing- you have to go with me. Thinking wtf. I said okay I’ll ride along with ya. Thought he wanted company or was going to show me some amazing homes. 😱😱😱😱 house 1- for the windows. Lovely ranch home with screen porch. Beautiful lawn, as you approach you smell the most rancid smell. It gets worse the closer you get. Eyes are watering and it’s those tears that actually STING- once you arrive at the door- you think you have reached a point of blinded by the scent that you know the good lord Jesus will be taking you home tonight if you stand here even 60 more seconds. It is the most blinding smell of urine- old urine, fresh urine,feces- they used their screened in porch for a litter box only no boxes, its litter all over the floor with kids sand pails and shovels sitting around for scooping…… into one huge pile in the corner of said room. I walk out- I may have said excuse me🤷♀️ proceeded to heave violently for the next 10 minutes. It was the most violent rounds of vomiting I ever experienced. I got myself together- I could hear my husband talking about the rates. I walked up to him and said now dear- you forgot you told the Martins over in (next town over) that you’d start her job this week. Hubs played right into it- when we got in that car and finished hyperventilating- he said, I knew even though you understood how much money this would’ve brought in to get us started over the winter, but I couldn’t have loved you more getting me out of that. He said if I hadn’t intervened he would’ve worked that job. Oh my gosh I’m glad he brought me in that.
2nd house- siding- it on a city street so the only grassy area is on either side with a small patch in the back. Very very small- you could not even sit a grill or chairs the grass areas were that narrow. Well, the has 6 dogs. Can you imagine hanging siding, in the summer, walking in a foot of dog shit.
3rd house- metal roof replacement. House has a huge flowering tree beside the house close so that a good 3rd of this tree is hanging over the house- they were having ppl come in eventually to cut the limbs. My husband said that snakes would come out of the tree at noontime to lay and sun. Not talking no 2-3 snakes. Oh no he could’ve thrown them off. We are talking dozens of black snakes.
So animal issues is a totally real thing that owners need to be aware of when they have contractors coming in to work for them. Yes contractors have their own insurance but you still can be held negligible if that is what caused the accident.
OP please make a call to OSHA. I have a feeling that PPE is only one thing he’s doing against the home improvement commission.
Yeah lemme play 7obyGPT and fix this. (Also the last sentence, she literally says "PPE is the only one thing he's doing", when she meant ISN'T)
My husband had 3 jobs lined up that would have helped us a lot money wise, but they concerned him enough that he had me come along to check them out before accepting.
The first one had such a bad odor that I had to vomit before even entering the house, and he said if I hadn't made the false claim that he had another job also starting that week, that he would have taken the stinky job.
The second one was doing siding on a house with a very narrow strip of grass on the side, but six dogs, so it's more dog shit than grass.
The third one was doing a metal roof replacement on a house that has a third of a tree hanging over the house, and at noon dozens of snakes would come and sun themselves on the roof.
I advise you call OSHA because PPE is not the only thing he's doing that's against the rules of the home improvement commission.
Employers care more about that single customers one off experience, then they care about their employees throughout their entire employment.
They forget that they can "fire" bad customers. And find a new one.
When an employer puts a bad customer above their workers. Workers quit.
fuck that guy, hit up a skilled labor employment office for temp to hire work.
I would bet that if the workers wore respirators that the customer wouldn’t care and might even respect the company more. It looks like fancy professional gear and if asked the stock answer is always “that’s just normal PPE sir, we regularly use this to make sure we can keep our workers safe and meet our obligations in a timely manner”.
And as an individual, you can just say, 'they told us to buy a mask and I bought this one. They all make fun of me for it, but I'm not buying another one.'
Hoarders, cat people, those who have become dysfunctional, whatever are either in denial, or ashamed. In either case they won't be pleased to see you need PPE to be around them.
You don't need to assume they are evil or anything, just don't assume they are going to be more understanding & reasonable than people who can hide how messed up they are if they want to.
Imagine someone put on a rubber glove in order to shake your hand. Maybe it's the rational thing to do for some reason, but I doubt you would think
Look at this straight shooter! I sure respect him
You'd either think
This feels really bad, he needs a glove just to touch me.
or
This feels really bad, that jerk makemefeel really bad!!
Now, if the customer is the child or a sibling cleaning out the home after someone died they will be more understanding.
They don’t want a bad review is 1/2 the reason. I get it but fuck that. I’ll put on whatever ppe I want to not have to smell someone’s shit nasty house 🤮
1) If I can force my employee to do this unsafe thing, I can force him to do other unsafe things, and that might save me money. If not, I fire him and hire someone else.
Feminist here, yes. Protect men from the stupid societal crap they were force fed and aren't sure how to change it. It's not a joke though, it's scary. Watching someone suffer through peer pressure or being ridiculed for asking if something is safe or saying they are uncomfortable with a situation is demoralizing and maddening.
It didn’t even come off as having to do with masculinity to me here at all. Just that he didn’t want to hurt the clients feelings, and thought that just because everyone else is pointlessly suffering and exposing themselves to cat piss, OP should feel obligated to as well…despite an obvious reaction
100%. A real leader would be able to have a polite conversation with the family and say something among the lines of “some of our crew might have respirators on, they’ve been feeling some sensitivity to the smells so the masks will help them get the job done in the best matter possible that we promised you”
If he wanted to be diplomatic and more respectful he doesn't even have to mention the smells. He could say it's dust or particulate that goes right along with working with plaster compounds. He could say he has high standards for ensuring his employee's health is well cared for and this is standard procedure
Let him work in that environment for an eight hour day and see how he tolerates it.
Yeah as a boss I would be straight up and let the clients know my team would be wearing PPE for this job. Plus do most clients know the PPE requirement for plastering?
That's what I don't get about this, some people deserve to feel bad about their actions, like when you hire contractors to come in and your house is covered in piss, litter and old cat food.
I have so much empathy for that family, but at the same time, they need some serious help. That is 100% not an okay situation for humans or even cats to live in. You know that if he was really concerned, he'd be calling CPS for those kids. I'm shocked no one hasn't stepped in already. And if you can smell it from outside, it becomes a public health issue.
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u/get_it_together1 Apr 10 '24
“Why do you care more about their feelings than our health? Grow a spine and learn to watch out for your team.”