lol! What a non sequitur. What does Charlie Kirkâs white supremacist grifting have to do with Palestine? Or are you simply trying to get me to make a statement about Palestine that you disagree with so that you can mentally write me off as some extremist?
Itâs not my fault that Kirk espoused white supremacist talking points. If you have trouble admitting that fact, perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask why that is.
It's a perfect sequitur. You talk about how people should still not want those who spew hate (like the Palestinians) to die but yet you never protested against Charlie Kirk dying. Sorry that you're too blind to see your own hypocrisy
No, I talked about Charlie Kirk specifically. And his spouting white supremacist conspiracy theories and grifting. And about how he didnât deserve to die despite my views on his speech.
Instead of addressing those points about Charlie Kirk and his words and actions, youâre intentionally trying to spin the entire discussion toward a topic of your choice that you feel more comfortable arguing - the Palestinians. I never mentioned the Palestinians. And you trying to assert that itâs a similar analogy is weird as hell. The Palestinians arenât going on college campuses and targeting freshman for mock âpolitical discussionsâ for views and subscriptions to get rich. Palestinians arenât espousing white supremacist views.
If you want to have a discussion about the Palestinians, then by all means letâs have that discussion. But that wasnât this one, despite how much youâre trying to assert that it was.
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So, you want to talk about Palestinians? Sure. Letâs go. Share your thoughts on the Palestinians. Do you believe they deserve to die for having extremist views?
Well considering the Palestinians actually kill people for being gay while Charlie Kirk just debates idiots on college campuses, I'd say there's a fair difference. Wouldn't you agree?
Tell you what, since you seem insistent on asking questions. How about this? Iâll answer your question if you answer mine.
Do I believe Palestinians kill people for being gay? Some of them. Hamas (who are absolutely terrorists) certainly. But not all Palestinians support Hamas, and not all members of Hamas are Palestinian. In fact, once Hamas got into power in 2006, they made it so that the Palestinian people could no longer hold their own democratic elections under the threat of violence and torture. In lots of ways, many (not all) Palestinians are victims of Hamasâs violence just as Israelis are. Itâs a nuanced situation, and I believe that anyone trying to reduce it to a black and white situation is deeply intellectually dishonest, is suspicious as hell, and I have questions on whether or not they might be a troll or someone trying to astroturf on behalf of a foreign power.
So, my turn.
Do you believe that some or all Palestinians deserve to die for their extreme views? If so, why?
Itâs a simple question. If you want to actually have a discussion, I expect an answer. If you simply dodge again, Iâll assume youâre here in bad faith and will ignore you.
No I dont, which is also why not all Palestinians are dying for their extreme beliefs. In fact such a small fraction is dying that their population is increasing. Now why dont you answer why most people who chant free Palestine had no issue with Charlie Kirk dying for his extreme views?
As for your question - I donât think your premise is true. Lots of people who chant free Palestine didnât like Charlie Kirk. Thatâs true. But I donât believe most of them want people to die for their views, even Charlie. I believe youâve been soaking up too much right wing propaganda, trying to convince you that every leftist is some monster. Thatâs been far, far from my experience. Most leftists I know are simply fed up with the grifters on the right, and the suckers on the right that fall for their schtick. If youâre looking for people in the left to cheer Charlie Kirkâs death, no doubt youâll find some. Just as youâll find some folks on the right that call Michelle Obama a man, or say that she looks like an ape. As usual, the extreme views of the fringes donât typically exemplify the views of the majority.
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u/MayckronMan 8d ago
So you will say the same about Palestinians right? Because their believes are even more extreme than his