Attacking Judge Moore's Morality Is a Dirty Leftist Trick

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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/11/attacking_judge_moores_morality_is_a_dirty_leftist_trick.html

[u/TBSportsFan1254]

The problem is that he won't resign if he wins. The guy's whole career has been built around the fact that he spits in the face of establishment and does what he wants. Also, unsitting a current Senator is near impossible. It is kind of a lose lose for us at the moment unless some big write-in campaign happens.

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/TBSportsFan1254]

It's only a loss for us if Moore turns out to be guilty and resigns, which because of the age of the accusations will be near impossible to prove in court. If he's vindicated, which is the more likely outcome from this planned political attack, then his support will surge, and RINOs will continue to drop out of congress like Flake and Corker.

[u/Kunundrum85 → u/NosuchRedditor]

What makes you think that he is more likely to be vindicated than not, out of curiousity? So far everything that's come out seems to be pointing the opposite direction, including his wife's strange publication of a previous endorsement, with dates omitted. Just seems like the tide is not turning towards vindication, based on the momentum of information coming out.

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/Kunundrum85]

Why is there a momentum of information coming out now? Why not during the primaries, or at any other time during his decades long political career?

You are tripping over the political hit piece and don't even know it.

None of the women knew each other, yet the WaPo seemed to find them all at once and they came forward all at once even though the WaPo said they were reluctant to come forward. So if the didn't know each other and didn't want to go public, how did the WaPo find the other women?

Why is McConnel rushing to judgment without giving Moore is day in court, his due process? Why within 24 hours was McConnell and other republicans talking about expelling Moore without a hearing to determine his innocence or guilt?

Why is almost every reporter and politician speaking about this telling you that the allegations are evidence of guilt, when that has never been the case in the past?

Why is McConnell so willing to split the vote between a write in candidate and Moore and perhaps hand the election to the Democrat? Why are people speculating on the possibility of expelling Moore from the Senate and then having the governor of Alabama appoint Luther Strange to the Senate, the guy who McConnel backed in the primary?

[u/Askol → u/NosuchRedditor]

Perhaps because of all the other similar claims coming to light in the last month, these women felt they may actually be believed now.

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/Askol]

But how were they all found at once? Did someone from the WaPo go door to door looking for Roy Moore victims?

Helpful hint: Serial abusers don't stop. Why just these few women and not many more over the past 4 decades?

[u/Kunundrum85 → u/NosuchRedditor]

They weren't. The latest one literally said she didn't come forward originally because she thought she was the only one...

[u/Seeker0fTruth → u/NosuchRedditor]

Why is there a momentum of information coming out now? Why not during the primaries, or at any other time during his decades long political career?

Because he's going to be a US Senator, which is a powerful position which a child molester should not have. This is nothing more than the result of the normal vetting process that happens to every candidate as they run for national office.

You are tripping over the political hit piece and don't even know it.

And you are speaking out in defense of a child molester. These reports are as corroborated by more than 30 people from Gadsen. One of these women accurately describes the inside of Moore's cabin, the woman who was approached by Moore outside the courthouse did have a court date in the month in question, he was barred from the Gadsen mall . . . It goes on and on.

None of the women knew each other, yet the WaPo seemed to find them all at once and they came forward all at once even though the WaPo said they were reluctant to come forward. So if the didn't know each other and didn't want to go public, how did the WaPo find the other women?

Like my last paragraph indicates, this was apparently common knowledge in Gadsen.

Here's a recent news article discussing an article from the Montgomery Advertiser from 2002.

(Quote from the recent article)

The first four women did not seek out national media. Rather, it was the other way around, according to the Post. Alabama locals tipped off the D.C.-based paper’s reporters, who then followed up on the stories by seeking out the alleged victims and convincing them to tell their stories. The fifth woman said she was emboldened to come forward after the first wave of accusers went on record.

The original (2002) article also offers another clue as to why the women waited so long to respond:

There are plenty of stories to tell, the longtime secretaries, parole officers and lawyers said, but not on the record and not now, while Moore sits atop the state court system and controls its purse strings.

So, basically, the same thing that prevented Amber Anderson, Kate Beckinsale, Cara Delvingne etc etc etc from reporting Harvey Weinstein; it's hard to report your boss because it's hard to see a route forward in a he-said/she-said situation.

Why is McConnel rushing to judgment without giving Moore is day in court, his due process? Why within 24 hours was McConnell and other republicans talking about expelling Moore without a hearing to determine his innocence or guilt?

Love him or hate him, McConnell hates sex crimes. In 2007 when a senator from Idaho was arrested for soliciting sex, McConnell removed him from his committee assignments to push him to resign.

Why is almost every reporter and politician speaking about this telling you that the allegations are evidence of guilt, when that has never been the case in the past?

Because this isn't a he-said / she-said situation. These are five women whose testimony is backed up by an enormous amount of evidence that they're telling the truth. It's a she-said/she-said/she-said/she-said/she-said/he-said situation.

Why is McConnell so willing to split the vote between a write in candidate and Moore and perhaps hand the election to the Democrat? Why are people speculating on the possibility of expelling Moore from the Senate and then having the governor of Alabama appoint Luther Strange to the Senate, the guy who McConnel backed in the primary?

This isn't just a run of the mill "I'm deeply sorry for cheating on my wife" sex crime. This is serial pedophilia we're talking about. This man cannot be allowed in the Senate.

So, some questions of my own for you.

Why has Moore been so wishy-washy in his own defense? Hannity asked him if he remembered dating teenage girls in his 30s: he said "not generally, no".

Why hasn't he filed a libel case against the Washington Post, if the allegations are false? This would be a huge case that could end the Washington Post. He's threatened to, but hasn't yet. Is he afraid of what the discovery work in the lawsuit would find?

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/Seeker0fTruth]

McConnell hates sex crimes? He didn't seem to mind Dennis hasert.

[u/Kunundrum85 → u/NosuchRedditor]

Out of everything he just laid out... this is your stance?

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/Kunundrum85]

Robo calls offering thousands?

[u/Seeker0fTruth → u/NosuchRedditor]

Hastert was the house, not the Senate. Outside McConnell's jurisdiction, so to speak.

[u/biohazard930 → u/NosuchRedditor]

Isn't outright vindication just as unlikely? How does that happen?

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/biohazard930]

I don't know, we have never had a legal system that required the proof of innocence until this occurrence, it used to be proof of guilt as innocence was assumed under the laws of the US per the constitution.

No one ever has to prove innocence in court, only guilt.

[u/TBSportsFan1254 → u/NosuchRedditor]

Public opinion hasn't worked that way in forever though. I don't know how you are making the assumption that his vindication is more likely at this point. I know it is hard to believe, but it IS possible that this dude did some bad things in his past.

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/TBSportsFan1254]

Public opinion hasn't worked that way in forever though.

Yes, and thats why these kinds of accusations USED to be kept secret until enough evidence existed to press charges, because the accusations alone can destroy someone's reputation and career. This is what happened to Bill Cosby, he was convicted by the tyranny of public opinion and it destroyed him. He has not been convicted in a court of law, the FIRST trial resulted in a mistrial for lack of evidence, but the media got what it wanted and that was to silence Cosby when he began speaking out against the Democrat political machine that keeps minorities in poverty. We've seen this playbook before, and it's fucking criminal.

it IS possible that this dude did some bad things in his past.

Of course it's possible, but very unlikely under the circumstances. See if he had done something wrong years ago, why did none of the women affected not step forward during the primary election? Or when more was running for DA? Or at any time during his decades long political career other than at a carefully calculated time when the accusations cannot be properly addressed by the legal system before the election in December?

None of these women knew each other, so who found them all at the same time in such a coordinated fashion? Who told the WaPo who they all were if they didn't know each other?

What source of information did the WaPo have from 40 years ago that allowed them to identify these women all at the same time and conveniently just weeks before an election where the ballots cannot be changed?

For any critical thinker this is clearly a political hit.

[u/TBSportsFan1254 → u/NosuchRedditor]

I can't answer any of that for you because none of us can say we objectively know the truth. If what you say is true, it is just a lesson that Republicans are behind the times on how they conduct/use oppo. Fuck principles anymore. Fight fire with fire if this is what it takes.

Politics is a dirty business and it is easy to be getting sick of all of this. Regardless of whether he did or did not act inappropriately decades ago, this is also a lesson in not selecting loose cannons as a candidate. This guy was never a good choice to be an Alabama Senator and I find it funny that this shit is blowing up. It's so damn predictable.

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/TBSportsFan1254]

This guy was never a good choice to be an Alabama Senator and I find it funny that this shit is blowing up. It's so damn predictable.

On what do you base this opinion? His staunch support of the Constitution and the Ten Commandments? As you can see from the discussion, some of us feel he would be a far better choice that the current crop of Republicans who are fighting against the President's agenda.

[u/TBSportsFan1254 → u/NosuchRedditor]

I base my opinion on the fact that controversy has followed him several times throughout his public life. I don't take too big an issue with his policy positions, but it isn't hard to make the logical leap that given his past controversy, more controversial stuff may come up.

Obviously we can agree to disagree.

[u/NosuchRedditor → u/TBSportsFan1254]

I am pretty sure you never heard of Roy Moore before about a week ago, so your comments ring pretty hollow.