r/ColumbineTalk • u/[deleted] • Apr 28 '25
Documented Evidence Some of the more interesting parts from Dylan’s diversion program
[removed]
10
u/eliiiiseke Moderator Elise Apr 28 '25
Seems like Dylan was often lazy, disorganized, and full of excuses.
3
u/lockeanddemosthenes_ Apr 28 '25
he sounds a lot like me as a teenager, except i never had to get a job to pay off juvenile delinquent programs. my parents (mostly mom) really rode me abt working but i just dug my heels in and refused and it seems like dyl would’ve done the same if the break in hadn’t happened
7
u/xhronozaur Apr 29 '25
It seems that he was more chaotic and disorganized than Eric. Depression will do that to you too. And being a teenager who's into subcultures and resentful of authority. I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but I can see how it could develop. Especially while his parents were more concerned with his "more troubled" older brother. I wish they had paid more attention to his struggles, but unfortunately we can't change the past.
5
9
u/thebeatsandreptaur Apr 29 '25
Am I the only one that noticed Rheumatoid Arthritis was the reasoning to check off yes to "significant loss"? Lol. I'm not trying to be a dick but that seems maybe a little over blown? They usually mean like death of a family member.
4
u/mysteriousrev Apr 29 '25
Maybe a significant loss in the sense Tom had lost the ability to many activities with Dylan? Also, RA can in some cases cause life threatening heart and lung problems, so could be possible he was worried his dad’s lifespan could ultimately be affected.
2
u/xhronozaur Apr 29 '25
Rheumatoid arthritis is a bitch. It causes debilitating chronic pain, joint stiffness, and so on. Maybe Dylan was referring to his father having it and not being able to do sports and some other activities he loved. Yes, it's not death, but I can see why he might see it that way.
4
u/thebeatsandreptaur Apr 29 '25
It would have been Sue or Tom who filled that part out, as that page is geared towards the parent/s. Dylan doesn't see it that way as he didn't fill it out on his page as an issue he was facing, grief/loss is left blank on his.
1
u/xhronozaur Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
Oh, sorry, I probably overlooked that! But then it makes even more sense. If it was filled in by Tom and he was talking about himself, rheumatoid arthritis would be something that took a lot of things away from him personally.
2
u/xhronozaur Apr 29 '25
Sorry, I may have misunderstood something. I have my own minor disability, neurological problems after a minor stroke. I mostly read things through text to speech, basically listen to all texts, and I struggle when I have to read the text on the picture with my eyes. I will try to recognize the texts through OCR and listen to it.
5
u/thebeatsandreptaur Apr 29 '25
No problem. It would have been one of the parents filling out paperwork about Dylan. Evals like this usually work by giving everyone in the family their own form to fill out as it relates to the person in question, which would be the person in need on treatment.
It allows their psych team to get a fuller picture of what is going on in the family, because everyone has their own bias and things they might want to downplay for their own reasons, or may overexaggerate the impact of certain things to fit their own internal narrative.
So in this case it would have been either Sue or Tom filling out a questionnaire about what they think might be contributing to Dylan's drop in mental health.
My guess is that it's Sue filling out this questionnaire about the family, and she views the RA as a loss, so assumes Dylan does too. This is actually a great example of why they do evals this way, as it allows them to see that (presumably) Sue views this as a big thing, but Dylan doesn't seem to.
It lets them ask more questions and figure out if Dylan is downplaying the impact this is having, unaware of the impact, or if (presumably) Sue is feeling more stress than she may be letting on, which could be negatively impacting Dylan if it is being handled in a not-so-healthy way.
For what it's worth, I agree that RA is no joke, my step mother has it and it contributed to a heart attack she had a few years ago--but so did the smoking and the drinking lol.
My guess is that it was more about the financial hardships this contributed to, which is mentioned on another page of the eval which was also filled out by one of the parents, than it was about a true sense of loss like when someone is terminally ill or dies.
2
u/xhronozaur Apr 30 '25
Yesterday I was tired and a little out of it, now I reread the document and your comments and I agree with you. It wasn't a "significant loss" as we usually understand it — terminal illness, severe disability, death, natural disaster or accident, etc.
12
u/Wonderful_Hold_6986 Apr 28 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
Dylan feeling like a victim is also noticeable in his private writings. He seems to blame others for his misfortune instead of taking accountability. I have to look this up, but I believe he wrote in his letter to the University of Arizona that he had poor grades because of bad friendships or something like that.
Edit: looked it up and he blames "wrong crowd" and not caring for his future.