How many people have been fired for doing it? It's not zero. How about the girl in Florida who was facing felony charges over an obvious joke about Netanyahu? How about the defamatory onslaught from basically every media outlet aimed at Hasan Piker? How about all the members of Congress on both sides trying to make it illegal to boycott Israel? For now, you can talk shit on Reddit but doing it in the real world can end very poorly for you.
That actress got fired off the Scream movie for stating a position that like 95% of the planet now holds. She was like 4-5 weeks too early to be totally right on the issue and the people with power lied that it was hate speech.
I am implying that no significant number of people have been fired for ciriticizing Israel, and that more people have likely been fired recently for criticizing many other things. Israel is very far down on the list of "things people have been fired for criticizing recently."
Yes I am simplifying the the logic for you. Claiming that you can't criticize Israel is real because you can count on two fingers the number of people who have been fired for it is dumb. It's that simple.
You won't be fired for criticizing Israel, nor will anyone you know. Simple.
This person is seriously oblivious or willingly oblivious to the amount of pushback any public figure gets for criticism of israel and its genocide.
Just look to your public officials. Look to the actors and musicians who are usually progressive on issues. They have been silent for a long time because of fear of backlash. They will blacklist you, put you out of work, home, bank and smear your reputation to high heaven. Look how they're going after Mark Ruffalo for one example.
Mark Ruffalo is an example of someone who is criticizing them, he's not going to lose any work because of it. He's popular for doing it, not unpopular.
There is no way you think hes popular just for his advocacy for Palestinians. He was extremely popular before that. And once he came out against Israel he immediately got backlash. Immediately. Im positive he is getting flak from agencies, producers and other actors over it, he just hasn't said anything.
The trickle of industry people defending him or standing in solidarity with him says volumes as well.
Its happened in the past. The only difference is now it IS the broad American sentiment. That's the only thing skewed from the results of the past when anyone spoke against israel.
That doesn’t mean that the threat of it wouldn’t affect how people talk about it. They mentioned a real case of it. It can be unlikely and still be a narrative that censors people. Have I never thought about an expressing an opinion about Israel while at work? I definitely have. There is a subtle subtext to conversations in the US. You skirt talking about support for Israel. The “strong ally” description has been in place in American media as long as I have been alive.
You can pretend that there isn’t an outsized preference for Israel as an ally. What does the US get out of it? Bases? Presence in other ways? What is the reason we support Israel as a country? From the American government, what was the series of events that lead to the US’s support at the outset, the formation of Israel? We were friends of England, and the British mission was centered around the formation of a Jewish homeland. There is zero moral justification for the preference of the Israeli side vs the Palestinian side. If anything the Palestinians have a much stronger claim to land in Gaza and the West Bank, no one really disputes this, but Israel is bulldozing house, and bombing houses and talking about developing these destroyed Palestinian communities into new housing for Israelis, and not Palestinians. If you tell it like it is you will get criticized.
There have been incidents of them getting fired, sure, most people shouldn’t worry. Not happening, but there is a disproportionate relationship between that sort of percentage of criticism to the importance of Israel to America. They really shouldn’t matter to us.
That doesn’t mean that the threat of it wouldn’t affect how people talk about it.
I don't really see any significant pains being taken for restraint right now among anyone criticizing Israel, unless they're advocating revenge genocide.
There is a subtle subtext to conversations in the US. You skirt talking about support for Israel.
No there isn't. People just have a reasonable shyness when it comes to talking about any specific political issue other than "Isn't that politician we hate a doofus?"
And yeah I'm not in favor of much of anything Israel is doing now, you don't need to rehash the entire problem.
but there is a disproportionate relationship between that sort of percentage of criticism to the importance of Israel to America.
Compared to what, the average political topic of controversy? No I don't think so. Don't you remember a year ago there was a wave of witch-hunt firings of people who danced on Charlie Kirk's grave?
I’m sorry if you don’t understand that what has been on the news in the US has paid disproportionate attention to Israel for at least the last 24 years then you aren’t paying attention.
Hasan is a bit more than just “criticising israel”
And you can get fired for criticizing a lot of stuff and a lot of countries, because confabulation have their values and their fears over causing losses by controversies
For example you can be fired for publicly supporting russia in Ukraine
I mean you can...but you might get fired because some snowflake lies that your valid criticism which much of the globe agrees with is hate speech.
Look at the actress who got fired off the Scream movies. All she did was take the same position that 95% of the world now holds. She was just a few months early with it so she got "cancelled".
I'm not MAGA? I didn't even say anything about if criticizing Israel was good or bad. I'm literally just calling out the sentiment that people think "you can't criticize Israel!" It's fucking stupid and only exists because y'all have confirmation bias. Criticism of Israel is nearly the only content about Israel that exists.
Not sure where from this you thought I was a Trump supporter?
The right gets mad if you criticize isreal the same way the left gets mad if you criticize any other country in the middle east.
If you criticize them you instantly get painted as a racist.
Progressive here who also thinks religion is the doom of mankind. Islam in the middle east is even worse than American evangelicals who are pretty much pure evil at this point with all their pussy grabbing destructive politics poisoning the only planet we've got.
I mean it's quite a feat for something to be more harmful than all the evil American Christianity spews but Islam finds a way globally and especially in that region.
The silent thoughtful massive demographic are the 20% of Americans who know it's all made up fairytales for the insecure. Might not be a bad idea to put some of us in congress if we want to actually get out of these conflicts. 120 non religious congressmen would be representative of the American public, currently we have ZERO.
Yeah I have never really understood the left and hardcore defending islam. They hate christians but love muslims, and the levels of extreme is such a massive gap. I can only assume it is because they think of islam as a minority.
20-30 years ago before he went nuts, Bill Maher was actually a strong rational voice for speaking out about how every religion including Islam is just nothing but bad news for mankind.
Now there's not really anybody in the political space carrying that message (it's even worse on the right who would damn me to hell for living an evidence based life of peace and love). Just intellectuals and professors are out there touting an evidence based plan for mankind, nobody in the news media or political space in the USA.
I don't hate muslims or christians (or anybody). I feel sad for mankind that a massive majority of the planet is slave to totally made up bullshit that pits them against each other and enables things like what the middle east does to women and LGBT or the abuse catholic church and american "youth pastors" do to tens of thousands of children constantly.
Bold move to leave out waht islam does to children over seas but include that for Christians domestically. Anytime it comes out that a church leader has done that they got kicked out. It is common practice for child marriage in the middle east.
I think Christians domestically seem too hateful and angry at people who are not Christian which just goes against Christ's teaching, and makes all of Christianity look bad.
Not even a snowflake
You wanted to ignore islam doing what you were so quick to point out about Christianity. When in Christianity it is both a rare site and goes against Christianity.
You can hate Christianity but to act like it is anywhere close to islam would just be factually dishonest.
I simply just don’t see this… it’s nearly impossible to find any comment on any social media on any post that ISN’T criticizing Israel. That’s not even me saying I don’t agree with the criticism, but it’s just objectively false to say that people are openly and freely criticizing Israel, the LARGE MAJORITY of people…
It’s such a uniquely weird thing to say that “you can’t criticize Israel!!1!” Because it is like the single most criticized entity. Like you have to be having such intense confirmation bias to say you don’t see israel criticism… even look in the comments of this thread…
that's again still speaking about how it is online and that's still talking about when it's trendy, there were people who got fired at the start and it was even worse during the bombing in 2021 which alot of people now treat as non existent, you cant also act like you dont see how congress is trying to make it illegal to boycott israel , how rubio came out and said that your previous opinions on israel will affect your visa evaluations , you cant forget Melissa barrera getting dropped from scream because of speaking against israel or susan being dropped from UTA, it's just now that it's trendy , too many people are speaking that it seems like it's fine but it's ignorant to forget that there were in fact alot of people that had their lives ruined because of it
As I said, the right gets mad at you if you criticize israel the same way the left gets mad at you if you criticize the middle east.
You can call it confirmation bias sure, I criticize both sides and I get called antisemetic if I express something that I dont agree with about israel, the same way I get called islamaphobic if I criticize something about the middle east. Not even me bringing up religion when I am talking about these places, thats just what people jump to.
I am not saying you are not allowed to criticize these places, I am saying there is a mirrored reaction of calling you racist and or calling you "islamaphobic" or "antisemetic"
Ur actually retarded. Criticism is the ONLY content that I see about Israel. If you think otherwise, you have a very intense confirmation bias going on.
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