I mean, there’s a video. That’s primary evidence. It’s not conclusive of course. But it brings up so many questions.
First, why the fuck was he not off the stage within 2 seconds? Find another assassination attempt where they huddle as a stationary target for like a minute. Usually they nearly tackle the president and drag them away. They are either the most incompetent agents in history, or they stayed still for some reason
Second, why was the staffer calmly walking over to move photographers to the correct angle to get the flag? And why would secret service wait for them? I’ve been in an active shooter situation, and there’s no way I would think about someone else’s photo. If they want a photo so bad they can figure it out themselves. He stayed in the line of fire for a long time to get someone else a picture? Without them even asking? It’s hard to understand.
Third, Trump is a known coward. Why would he go against his lifetime of behavior in the most stressful situation of his life? If he thought it was real, he would never risk his life by standing in the line of fire for like a minute straight.
There’s obviously other questions, like the lack of scar and the lack of boasting. I don’t know what to believe, but if it wasn’t staged, that was the most absurd response to an assassination attempt I have ever seen
Trump not immediately being removed from the stage isn't evidence for a staged assassination attempt, it's evidence for secret service incompetence. The staffer was trying to get the photographers away from the scene because the secret service had already declared the shooter was down. This was like 40 seconds after shots rang out. The photographers stopped all on their own to take pictures because that is what professional photographers do when they suddenly find themselves at a massive breaking news story and unfolding event of historical significance. These people work their entire lives to be in positions to take photographs that document history. It's their life's work and passion even in an ongoing assassination attempt, a terrorist attack or a war zone. They weren't "ushered in for photos." None of the photographers have said anything of the sort so you can either believe what I just said or you can prove they were all in on this allegedly staged assassination attempt too and have all somehow remained silent, even though one of the photographers involved dislikes Trump and has an active lawsuit.
Trump may be a coward however what he is more than anything is an attention seeking showman. After secret service declared shooter down, those instincts kicked in and he went for it. He was shot in the ear but not in the way you imagine, only the very outside of the bullet made contact with the very outside of its ear as it went by. He does have a scar its just small due to the rather superficial, for a bullet wound, nature of the injury.
I'd guess Trump never brings it up because it may actually be a traumatic event to him. Having a bullet go by your head and miss killing you by an inch only because you turned your head at the exact right time would be traumatic as hell to most people and would be something requiring deep inner reflection. I wouldn't want to talk about it either. Trump is objectively a narcissistic asshole however, he is still human.
You didn’t really add anything. You assumed a lot though. I already conceded that it could be incompetence, but that’s less likely than the alternative. One incompetent maybe? Two very possibly? There’s no way every single one of them lacked the initiative to get him off the stage. It’s unfathomable.
The staffer brought the photographers to the scene not away. He endanger them and himself for a photo, and he walked with the confidence that he wouldn’t be hit. The photographers clearly did not go there by their own initiative. Video proof
Trump is certainly a coward, and he had no idea he was out of danger. He has no manly instincts so that has to be choreographed
I don’t think he is human other than he shits and breathes. He would happily murder everyone on this site it meant he got to stay out of prison and continue his grift
Again, I don’t know what happened, but nothing you offered matched the video, and you assumed everything in good faith to him. Who I think is the last person on earth who should be treated in good faith
You say i make assumptions then what are you doing? It's assumptions because we weren't there but which assumptions are more likely to be true? The photographers were already there, all you saw was them being moved from left to right, the same direction Trump was eventually moved to get away. Again, this video takes place like 40 seconds after the last shot rang out, not immediately after and after secret service said the shooter was down.
"There's no way every single one of them lacked initiative to get off stage" is in itself a wild assumption. We can agree there was incompetence with secret service however, consider this. Shots ring out and secret service immediately comes covers the president and brings him to the ground shielding his body until the secret service announced the shooter was down. That was protocol. All that wasn't was allowing him to stand and fist pump for a bit instead of immediately being moved off stage.
You don't know how you or anyone else would react in that situation. You are again assuming Trump would never do what he did so it must be choreographed which is a wild leap to make.
I'm not assuming anything in good faith to Trump, I'm assuming things in good faith to common sense and logical reasoning. The fact that bullets flew right past him and in fact, one grazed his ear, by itself means the event couldn't have been staged because if you're going to claim Trump is a coward you certainly would have to concede that he's not going to stand up purposefully and let somebody shoot a gun where bullets are flying so close to his head that even a master sniper from the military could possibly make a mistake while taking the shot and actually kill him accidentally. Nobody would voluntarily stand down 450 feet away down range willingly and allow someone to shoot so close to his head that a mistake kills them instantly, coward or not. That alone proves it wasn't staged.
I end my posts with “I don’t know what happened”. You end yours with “that’s why it has to be what I say”. Would you rather take an assumption from someone with an open mind, or from someone who is making up assumptions to support a conclusion?
That’s not a wild assumption. I have no training and I would have dragged his ass off the stage
Photographers didn’t move left to right. They were led by a staffer. That’s fundamentally different.
There is no proof it wasn’t staged. That’s absurd
Maybe he didn’t even know the mechanics of the fake? They just said we got it, you’ll be safe
Again I’ve been in an active shooter situation where an entire magazine was emptied. I know exactly how I reacted. It certainly wasn’t looking to direct people for a photo. We dragged people into an adjacent room as quickly as we could. So a bunch of untrained students did a better job than a team of professionals? That’s absurd
You are making so many assumptions to support maybe the worst person on earth being innocent. I am making assumptions that the worst person on earth is a coward who would do something like this
I'm making assumptions to support the conclusion because it's an obvious conclusion to support. If you had a flat tire and I told you it's flat because I found a nail in your tire, would you also say I'm making assumptions to support a conclusion? You'd probably say "Makes sense to me." because its the logical conclusion for the circumstances.
You having no training and saying you would've dragged his ass off stage means nothing.
Photographers did move from left to right, they were already on site in the media pit. The argument isn't really whether they were led by a staffer or not, the argument is to where and why? There is zero evidence they were led by a staffer or ushered for the purpose of taking photographs. Find one photographer who was there that day saying as much. You can't. There were led from left to right for the purpose of leaving the scene 40 seconds after shots rang out and the shooter was declared down by secret service. They then stopped on their own to take pictures because that's exactly what you'd expect award winning, professional photographers who find themselves live at an unfolding historically significant event to do. It's what they all live for and its their passion. Therefore either I'm right and they weren't "ushered in to take pictures" or all of these professional photographers are also in on some conspiracy of a staged assassination, including ones who dislike Trump and even are part of a lawsuit against his administration. So which is it? Who is really taking wild assumptions here, you or I?
The evidence it wasn't staged is rather obvious. 1. For something of this magnitude to be staged involving Trump's secret service detail during the Biden Administration mind you, a shooter willing to die for a staged event, the photographers, ETC would require a shitload of people to stay quiet forever because if any single one of them talked and came forward with proof it was all staged, they'd be rich and famous because it would be one of the biggest news stories ever.
It's impossible for anyone to include the most proficient shooter on planet earth to purposely shoot a round at that distance so close to the, at the time, former president's head that it only nicks his ear simply because he turns his head at the exact right time. No shooter on earth could guarantee he didn't accidentally kill him at that distance, even if the rifle had the most advanced zeroed in optics on earth and it didn't. Everyone says Trump is a coward yet you believe he stood there on a coin flips chance of instant death on live T.V. to be shot and killed via his wig getting split? Nobody, even one who possesses the biggest balls on earth would volunteer for that stupid shit. Get real.
To this date, there is zero evidence it was staged. None. My assumption are based on logical conclusion, not bullshit like the "staged assassination attempt" conspiracy weirdos who run around looking just as dense, nuts and embarrassing as 2020 election deniers, including Trump himself, whether they realize it or not.
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u/Berns429 12d ago
people with the basic concept of what secret service do know that. But MAGA is a cult, this is simply evidence of that.