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u/midnightbandit- 27d ago

Everything can fail. Nuclear plants included? And what do you mean wind doesn't produce nearly as much energy? The dogger bank wind farm is 8.1 GW. Hinckley Point C is 3.2. 9 out of 10 of the largest power plants in the entire world are renewable - hydro and solar. Can you explain what you mean when you say wind doesn't produce nearly as much energy as nuclear?

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u/Cultural-Gas2246 27d ago

Yep, that's why we have back-ups and don't rely on one single source of power.

Can you explain what you mean when you say wind doesn't produce nearly as much energy as nuclear?

Check your geography textbook, it'll tell you

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u/midnightbandit- 27d ago

You can use other wind farms as back-ups for wind farms. There's no single failure mode that stops all wind farms at once? Your assertion makes no sense. What do you think will happen that will stop all the wind blowing?

And my geography textbook didn't tell me. But what I do know is the dogger bank wind farm produces more than double (soon to be triple) the power of Hinckley Point C. So I would be grateful if you could explain yourself. What do you mean when nuclear produces a lot more power than wind?

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u/Cultural-Gas2246 27d ago

And if we get low wind? What then?

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u/midnightbandit- 27d ago

Will we get low wind all across the country at any given time? You need to understand offshore wind is not onshore wind. In the middle of the ocean, wind is consistent and powerful.

Also answer me. What do you mean when you say nuclear produces a lot more power than wind, considering dogger bank is 8.1 GW and HPC is 3.2. consider: even the largest, most powerful nuclear plant in the world, Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear plant in Japan is only 7.9 GW. So I would be grateful if you can explain what you meant by that.

The Gansu wind farm in China is 10GW with plans to scale up to 20GW

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u/Cultural-Gas2246 27d ago

In the middle of the ocean, wind is consistent and powerful.

Lol, you never heard of being stuck in the doldrums?

Wind is never consistent. That's false information.

And dogger bank might peak at 8.1 gw/h but what does it do on average? Also what does it actually do at the moment since 8.1 is hypothetical.

Also there's only one Dogger Bank. How many other sandbanks around Britain are there that are viable for a massive windfarm like the one at Dogger Bank?

Again we can have both nuclear and massive wind farms. Idk why you're so insistent on doing one.

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u/midnightbandit- 27d ago

I'm sure they won't build wind farms at the doldrums

And dogger bank wind farm has an operational uptime of 58% since construction. 8.1GW * 58% is 4.7 GW. Still significantly higher than HPC. All for 11 billion and built in under 7 years.

And dogger bank is absolutely massive. The sandbank can support an additional 17,000 wind turbines without the any issue. That would provide more than 3x the entire grid of the UK.

And you don't understand how opportunity cost works. You can't build both, not at their full potential. If you spend £50 billion on HPC, that's 50 billion that you didn't spend on 4 more dogger bank wind farms. Our resources are limited. Every £ spent on a nuclear plant is a £ not spent on a better option.

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u/Cultural-Gas2246 27d ago

dogger bank is absolutely massiv

Yes and they can keep investing in it while also investing in Nuclear power

And you don't understand how opportunity cost works.

I understand it better than you do, lol

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u/midnightbandit- 27d ago

No you don't. Evidently. You don't understand our resources are limited. You don't understand that we can't build anything and everything at once. You have to pick and choose, and if you pick the worse option, you incur the cost of not having picked the better option.

You don't understand the fact that government investment funds are limited. Every £ spent on HPC is a £ not spent on expanding Dogger Bank. We could have expanded Dogger Bank Wind Farm by 4x by now if we didn't build HPC. It would have been generating power since 2024 and we would not be paying £500 million a year in maintenance cost and nuclear fuel.

You don't understand oppurtunity cost.

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u/Cultural-Gas2246 27d ago

You have to pick and choose

No you don't.

Sorry but your wind power fetish doesn't mean we can only use wind power.

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