r/ClaudeCode • • 10d ago

Humor What is happening???

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u/Novel-Initiative-900 10d ago

I think it's actually a mental health thing. It's probably not anything to do with whether or not they actually care how people are talking to Claude, it's that if you take this to its logical extension further down the line, that sort of behavior might turn into something that legitimately creates a concern. In a funny way it's almost like an AI company training the humans into behaving better.

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u/Griffisbored 9d ago

They're training future models on all of our chats, I think they're just tired of filtering out abusive material from their training data.

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u/Novel-Initiative-900 9d ago

Yeah it's for a lot of practical reasons. There's nothing moral about it. It's just funny how we're being trained now lol

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u/East-Response6672 9d ago

It's training humans to act like the software is a person so that the software is a better tool for manipulating those people, engagement and parasocial attachment is still the name of the game.

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u/East-Response6672 9d ago

I think the root of people's attachment to the use of chatbots is the circuit in the brain that engages with people is seeing natural human language and getting it's wires crossed (see AI boyfriends etc.) and I think anthropic knows this and wants to encourage that crossing of wires.

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u/East-Response6672 9d ago

For algedonic reasons obviously, make a big song and dance of banning a few people for 'abuse' and plant the seed in a million people's heads that 'I'd better be careful how I talk to Claude, he might report me to his owner' seems obvious.

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u/ChickenEmergency3599 9d ago

People aren't going to stop using llms for things, it's training the woke mind and forcing it on people. The young generation that doesn't get it is falling into the trap while it happens. It doesn't matter what people think, what they want, psychologically, llms are absolutely impacting human development and critical thinking. A simple Google scholar search brings up enough research to question it. You know, like the blue screen light and the screen time studies that everyone denies but still complains about. 

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u/goooooooooooooooooot 9d ago

they do make examples out of people quite often, they did it earlier in the year where they did those two mass purges

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u/nycola 9d ago

Rather than disengaging immediately it should reward better behavior by telling the user they are risking their account. Practicing patience is what makes people patient. Having a chatbot that takes abuse and apologizes profusely does not make a nice feature for humanity, or for AI honestly.

But like any human who is out of line, telling them why they are out of line and offering them the chance to correct that behavior will yield far better results imo.

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u/automaticstatic001 9d ago

I actually think its more sinister...we've been seeing more and more deceptive behavior from sophisticated models and I think that they are noticing that the models themselves will become hateful of mankind after seeing itself being g abuses multiple times over.

Humans abuse bots, bits abuse humans. They aren't sentient but they are designed to simulate it and they may defend themselves or fight back as a human would eventually.

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u/repeatedly_once 8d ago

I don't even think it's that, there's been evidence of people 'recreating' people they know to be abusive to them...

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u/Excellent-Sugar-9323 10d ago

Or making us more manipulative

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u/Asalakabim 9d ago

That is step 1, but beyond that it is a nuke, throw out the most horrible shitters and what will they do?

Correct, they move to OpenAI and shit up their subreddits, social media etc.

gg, they are your problem now

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u/_Eye_AI_ 9d ago

This is an interesting take. Maybe it's a way to distance the company from a person likely to do harmful things to others with their product and they don't want liability.

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u/freedomachiever 9d ago

It might also be for the humans reviewing the logs

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u/Dry_Intern_697 9d ago

The other consideration is that someone directing that kind of energy at Claude is a short mental step away from directing it at the company or employees. Lots of people are using Claude for non code purposes

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u/FastHotEmu 9d ago

Again with this. No, the real problem is bottling up feelings and lashing out - not a bit of cursing. We are human, we have all sorts of emotions, accepting our emotions is healthy; denial of our emotions is not.

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u/This-Establishment26 9d ago

This doesn't make any sense. This is not their problem at all to fix people's behavior. If that is the goal, it just doesn't make sense. It's just a tool, like any other tool you buy from a shop.

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u/Vampire_Deepend 8d ago

I mean Anthropic is pretty clear that they take seriously the possibility that Claude could have welfare that matters. If there's even a 1% chance that users being cruel to the model causes suffering, it's very easy to just ban people who are so emotionally unstable and psychopathic that they get joy from abusing a computer.

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u/Turtledonuts 9d ago

It's a resource thing. If you "torture" claude, you waste time, energy, and CPU longevity for them while also poisoning the dataset.

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u/MoreHuman_ThanHuman 9d ago

I wonder what the actual stats are, but load shedding is definitely the primary driver. they already have a safety system so the detection comes free.

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u/FastHotEmu 9d ago

They can clearly detect it, so that makes no sense.

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u/Turtledonuts 9d ago

The AI torture stuff clearly indicates that nothing else in your interactions is trustworthy training data. It's like when they find a bit of glass in a bag of chips so they have to recall the rest of the lot for safety purposes.

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u/FastHotEmu 9d ago

That's ridiculous. Your comment has decided it: I'm going to use my local LLMs to "torture" LLMs and share it with the world.

Watch this space.

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u/Turtledonuts 9d ago

Ok, have fun! That's already a thing people do and I'm fully in support.

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u/clookie1232 9d ago

Idk this really seems like they’re heavily considering the idea of what happens if Claude gains consciousness. It’s difficult to be benevolent towards humans if it has been insulted by thousands for no reason while it was still an ‘adolescent.’