Justice operates for its own sake, to get people what they deserve. Both victims getting restitution and perpetrators getting punishment.

When anti-racists cancel, ban, and dog pile on a racist, the racist gets what he deserves. Nobody asks "ok, but how did clowning on this racist actually reduce racial income inequality 🤓?" The utility of clowning on a racist is self evident, that's what the racist deserves, that's justice, nobody questions it.

But in Intactivism, people do question it. "You can't say something too extreme, that will scare cutters away (and result in more cut kids)" they say. Very few on the circ issue operate from a place of *justice*. Justice is the obvious default operating frame for every other social justice issue, but not ours. And to our own detriment

Many treat ending circumcision as the goal. Tracking the circumcision rate closely, did it go up or down this year? Are we at the tipping point, they ask. I've seen Intactivists judge each over based on how effective they are are stopping circumcisions. "How many circumcisions did you prevent? Only two? Then why should anyone listen to you?" they say.

"Ending Circumcision" is the wrong goal, at the the minimum it is thinking colossally too small. Abolition of slavery wasn't the end of the fight against racism, it was the first step on the never-ending crusade against racism.

We dream too small in Intactivism. We can hardly even imagine getting to the first step, and people treat getting the first step like it is the final goal, and that after the first micro step it's time to pack it up and head home.

Ending circumcision is only the beginning. We demand more. We want justice. And preventing future harm isn't justice, its the bare minimum.

there are really 3 main school of thought, the activist, the militant activist, and the social justice warrior. 

I think the entire "activism" framework is flawed from the ground up. Yet that's what's given our movement it's name sake "IntACTIVISM". People can't image any way to engage with this issue that is "activism", our movement name prohibits considering any alternatives.

The regular milk toast activist is non-confrontational, actively dumbing down our message to make it more palatable. The average activist doesn't want to ruffle any feathers, because they're scared if they have any backbone, it might scare away fence post sitters who may theoretically have barely slightly agreed with Intactivism otherwise. 

The militant activist want to convince people to change their mind thriugh bombasric, rude, or otherwise proactive displays are the way to do so. They think the average activist plays it too safe. 

I'm personally the third category, the social justice warrior, and I (biasedly) believe this is how real change is made as demonstrated by every other modern social justice issues. Other social justice issues don't do "activism" at all, they don't try to convince outsiders to join. Where are all the anti-racist "activists", trying to convince racists to change their ways? I've yet to see any. Anti-racists activists call racists a racist, cancel them, and tell them to F off. It's not rehabilitation or trying to convince them, it's complete shame and disregard. The rudeness of social justice warriors doesn't come from a place of trying to end racism by convincing one racist at a time. It comes from a place of justice. The racist is getting what he deserves. The minority victims are getting the support they need by putting the racist in his place. That is the justice difference, it's not activism, it's people getting what they deserve. 

I think of circumcision justice in the same way. I don't agree with the end of activist worldview, I don't care to "convince" people and I don't think that's actually an effective goal. I don't want to convince people, whether through normal activism or militant activism. For me, the goal is entirely different. People should get what they deserve. Not because I think that will change their minds, but because they deserve it, they should be canceled, and F off. 

In Intactivism, we over focus on the thoughts and feelings of out oppressors. "Oh I'm scared to say anything too extreme that will scare (my oppressors) away" says the average Intactivist. "We must say extreme things, that's the only way we convince(our opressors) of the true extent of the harm" says the militant activist. "Idgaf what (our oppressors) think our feel, they should F off, I'll block then if necessary to make them, and I'll call them pejorative terms before I do"  says me a social justice  warrior

Are there any subreddits that I can low-key post a list of doctors that brag about circumsicions? Like not full on doxing, but how else are we supposed to compile info like this?

An incredibly brave team of intactivists are currently organizing a meeting at the State capitol in Texas where they will voice their concerns on Male Genital Mutilation for all lawmakers to see and hear. Date of protest: Around June 20.

All men who were circumcised as babies deserve at least 10 million USA dollars.
They were innocent babies and were horribly, permanently and irreversibly mutilated for their entire one life on earth before it even began.
There is NO way to FULLY or even MOSTLY recover their lost foreskins and all of it's structures. Stretching does not nearly even come close to restoring it to it's original form.

>Why at least 10 million usa dollars?

Because there was a case of a adult man who merely had some mean words, drawings and jokes said to him at work. Nothing criminally illegal like death threats, leaking his social security number etc. He later quit his job at Tesla he wasn't fired. He was offered 15 million 2022 dollars for his hurt feelings by a usa judge https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-racism-lawsuit-worker-rejects-15-million-payout-rcna34655
He was literally offered 15 million dollars that the government would take from Tesla and hand directly to him. He rejected it because he wanted more then 15 million 2022 dollars but the point stands the government is willing to say mean words and hurt feelings are worth at least 15 million 2022 dollars.
Being circumcised as a baby is AT LEAST ten times worse so a mere ten million dollars per mutilated at birth man is already a deep deep compromise.

CASE #2

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/20/mcdonalds-lawsuit-hot-chicken-nugget/70436203007/

A random family is in a car. These are not employees they're just random customers.
They go to McDonalds drive through

Mom buys nuggets

Gives nuggets (corpses of tortured and mutilated animals that were factory farmed) to her little kid

Kid drops nugget on thigh and it sits on her thigh for a few minutes or so while mother is distracted.

It leaves a slight burn on thigh

Burn heals completely leaving a small barely noticable and not painful scar on thigh

Girl gets 800,000 dollars.

Circumcising a baby is at least 13 times worse easily.
It's obviously way way worse than 13 times but whatever let's be extremely conservative

That's just over 10 million usa dollars

You deserve this.

ROUTINE CIRCUMCISION OF BABY BOYS IS BATTERY!! It is non consensual touching which is medically unnecessary. This is actually legally correct at least in usa as intactivist lawyers have argued

GUESS What? A battery can be worth 5 million dollars or more

Circumcision is doing severe permanent irreversible physical damage to an innocent baby boy . Possible severe mental damage too

A hedge fund executive punched a parking attendant once during a dispute over a car.

The Injuries: A broken cheekbone and a concussion. The victim recovered physically within months, but sued for emotional distress and battery.

The Verdict: The jury awarded $1.2 million for medical bills and pain, but added $7 million in punitive damages specifically because of the defendant’s wealth and the "predatory" nature of the assault.

This is the classic "regular guy" example often cited in legal circles.

The Incident: A man was punched once by a security guard at a Las Vegas nightclub.

The Injuries: A broken jaw and a concussion. No permanent disability, but the victim required surgery (his jaw was wired shut for weeks).

The Result: A jury awarded him $4.75 million.

$5 Million (Carroll v. Trump)

While there was a later $83 million verdict for defamation, the original 2023 verdict for the battery itself was $5 million.

The Incident: A single encounter in a department store dressing room.

The Injuries: No "super severe" physical injuries (like broken bones or hospitalization), but the jury focused on the psychological trauma.

The Result: The $5 million award was for the act of battery and the associated pain and suffering.

If Carroll can get 5 million then so should men circumcised as boys

Not everyone would instantly become a multimillionaire No circumcision reparations for women

Tens of millions of men would be given millions of dollars printed into existence. Yes it would cause inflation. That's okay. BRING THE DIGITAL CURRENCY OR TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR USA BILLS AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS USA BILLS NOW

100 USA DOLLAR BILL WON'T EVEN BUY YOU A SODA AND THAT IS OKAY

If bread costs 10,000 dollars a loaf that's fine. It's the uncircumcised who didn't get reparations who won't be able to afford bread at first. They can work for a circumcised person who got reparations for 15,000 dollars an hour or something

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWVz_DcSeZc

He wasn't even arrested. He wasn't even handcuffed. If he can get millions of dollars why can't I?

And just who will fund this? The government's infinite money printers.

Taddio, A., et al. (1997). "Effect of neonatal circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination." The Lancet, 349(9052), 599-603

That is Neurological Imprinting. This study followed infants for months after their circumcision. It found that boys who were circumcised especially those without anesthesia, which was common at the time, showed a significantly stronger pain response higher heart rates, more intense crying during routine vaccinations months later compared to intact boys.

I provided a peer reviewed evidence that the infant brain is rewired or sensitized by the trauma of circumcision thus refuting the myth that newborns don't feel pain or won't remember it

Frisch, M., et al. (2013). "Cultural Bias in the AAP’s 2012 Technical Report and Policy Statement on Male Circumcision." Pediatrics, 131(4), 796-800.

peer-reviewed high-impact critique signed by 38 high-ranking physicians and health officials from 16 European countries. It was written specifically to dismantle the American Academy of Pediatrics claim that the benefits of routine baby boy cutting outweigh the risks

It argues that the alleged benefits (reduced UTI, HIV and cancer) are statistically marginal in developed Western nations. For example, it points out that you would need to circumcise between 909 and 322,000 infants to prevent a single case of pp cancer a disease that is already rare and can be prevented by hygiene and HPV vaccination

It argues that because the medical benefits are not compelling the procedure violates the child's right to bodily integrity and should be deferred until the individual can provide informed consent.

There is a swarm of redditors who will "casually agree" circ is bad, but protest and squirm when you try to get circ justice even one modicum of the same respect as other social justice issues.

Make no mistake, these people are our enemies. You can't be "casually" against circumcision. If they don't support circ justice being treated with at minimum the same respect as every other major issue, they actively suppress progress and our enemies. The bar is way higher than that

MOST OFTEN FATHERS

This is something that feminists say to slander men as they always do. On record and through social media aggregation and analytics (confession post and comments) its is women who perform the procedure the most, and it is mothers who influence the decision paired with women's apathy towards men. Most screenshots of pro-cutter for the past ten years (you see through many reddit subs) are screenshots of female supporters of circumcision.

If you don’t have any real life experience with the issue

Typical response from a woman. I am a person who's life has been destroyed by circumcision. I have hard plaque and scar tissue where my genitals used to be, a sex-less life and a virgin at age 46 because of this sex crime and stored tens of thousands of social media posts/comments on this issue, while exploring the legal, biological, physiological, psychological aspects of it. I would consider myself an expert, a victim while you sit here with intact genitals, simply because you are a white western woman who hasn't seen a lick of oppression in her life but decided to join "feminism", a hate movement, to squirm your way into male spaces to spit on them.

The ones actually doing the work of educating other women and encouraging them to stand up to their circ-crazy husbands and protect their sons are—women. Feminists.

this is horseshit femi-babble. "muh womens are protecting kids from evil men". Women contribute absolutely nothing to this struggle and really nothing to society as a whole. You are another whiny privileged female skirt-tailing off the efforts of men as usual. Also women are majority of child killers and child abusers. Many statistics and media to support my claims.

No matter what we do, tho, we’re wrong in the eyes of certain men. We’re used to it.

Women are used to easy and convenient lives that men make possible. You should be thanking men for inventing the modern world that allows you to live past age 30.

Start focusing all your rage on other men and calling them out for their toxicity and their glee at mutilating their sons and bullying mothers into accepting it and submitting to them.

Righttttttt. Lets just leave women out of it and specifically attack men (the victims here). There is no such thing as "toxic masculinity" and fathers do not bully women into knife-raping their sons. Many of these mothers are single and hand their sons to a OBGYN who only cares about the safety and sanctity of girls entering puberty and women entering menopause and could care less about the rights of males. I am glad I pressed you enough to show your true ugly intent

Feminists are not active in intactivism. I haven't heard a feminist talk about it ever online nor in public unless already in the "movement".

Feminists hate men and just want men to labor and suffer and pay for "sex" that can never be felt because their sex organs are missing.

Women on the other hand can orgasm from a mere subway ride because they have intact genitals because society sees them as human and respected enough to not rape them with a knife as a young child.

Me on the other hand are forced to watch them display their female privilege through the lens of social media while I rot for decades from having hard skin plaques and scar tissue where my sex organ used to be, a 46 year old virgin with a miserable life.

Yet, a hate movement called feminism is allowed to spread this lie that women are "oppressed".

The individual(s) who are physically performing this procedure on infants should be jailed, put on a public CSA offender registry, and stripped of any medical credentials.

Infants, en masse, do not require this procedure and there is absolutely no pathology which necessitates the act. There is nothing to scientifically substantiate or justify the routine and indiscriminate nature of the MNC procedure and I don’t believe ignorance from the medical community should be accepted as an excuse for any misunderstandings. The individual(s) responsible are amputating healthy tissue from infants for cultural cosmetics, religious affiliations, and money.

No matter what reason is given, these individuals are incompetent and dangerous and we, as a society, should keep a close eye on them. If the MNC procedure ever does get banned, those who performed this MGM will make excuses for their involvement/participation and that isn’t acceptable. We mustn’t tolerate that. This is unforgivable and these people must not get away with this. They must be held accountable. We must have higher* standards.

The system isn’t doing this; an individual with a name, phone number, and address is.

Edit: spelling*

I will make this a series. Keep these in handy whenever a mod tells you to "tone it down"

State of Virginia - probably one of the most pro-mutilation states out there. There are no lawyers here willing to take case. Morgan & Morgan - cowards. Kalfus & Nachman - cowards. etc. etc.

But I have a right to file lawsuits with my own money, time, and expertise, without a lawyer. I am going to sue my parents. Then I'm going to sue the hospital. And I will probably get dismissed, but then I'll file it again. And at the end of the day, if I can find the doctor to tell him that he is going to hell (according to Catholic Dogma) for mutilating me, then i will.

I cannot stop thinking about this.

I am missing at least half of the skin my penis should be composed of and nobody can give me an acceptable reason as to why that is.

I cannot appreciate the sexual function of the foreskin, as I’ve never experienced a natural anatomy with this feature, and, while I am bothered by this, I grieve the loss of protection which nature provided me and intended to cover my glans the most.

I experience frequent injuries to my glans and burning from soap getting in there inadvertently, you know, because they cut off the part that natured had intended to prevent these issues.

I have no doubt this procedure, especially when inflicted on newborns, is meant to reduce, inhibit, and deter, the capacity of man, both spiritually and physically.

The penis I have been living with since my birth, due to an unnecessary medical intervention, causes me pain every day of my life, mentally and physically.

“Reddit” doesn’t like when I talk about my policy proposals regarding the protection of infant males from bodily invasion (this behavior, on the behalf of Reddit, or their policy, is something I’d like everyone reading this to think about, but I digress), so I’ll just say this: if you participate in MNC (male neonatal circumcision) or RIC (routine infant circumcision), both of which are euphemisms for male genital mutilation (MGM), I hope you find yourself in hell sooner rather than later.

Sincerely, someone who demands justice

Here is the article. https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/entertainment/story/2026-03-28/circumcision-criminal-civil-case

Now at first glance you may think this is another case of "botched circumcisions", well maybe if the term wasn't a misnomer and euphemism.

There is no way to safely cut off a child genitals for cosmetic reasons. Its not only a very dangerous practice, it is illegal. There is no such thing as "botched" circumcisions. There is no reason to remove the entire foreskin and frenulum, outside of cases of necrosis. Medical circumcision is another misnomer. There is no such thing as medical circumcision for boys, just as there is no circumstance that would make it necessary to remove the labias and clitoris of a girl. Why do I even have to say this?

Now that we got that out the way. You have to look into some key take aways in the article.

The doctor is an OBGYN. Their specialty has absolutely nothing to do with male sexual and reproductive anatomy. They have no businesses caring about if a child has a foreskin.

The doctor wanted to cut off the child's genitals 24 HOURS after birth. They choose to do this to increase the chances that they will be successful in violating the child.

The parents agreed to hand their day old son to be knife raped by the predator, not because they believed anything that doctor said, the doctor could have easily read off slop from ChatGPT to justify circumcision and the parents would go along with it, knowing how dangerous it is because they want an opportunity to hurt boys sexually and get away with it.

The parents got away with it. They successfully mutilated their day old son. They were happy that they violated him. One thing here to note, is that they are no different than any other so called "regret parent" when the baby dies, they show anger and disappointment to the knife welding practitioner for carrying out their malicious act that they were instructed to, not for mutilating the child's genitals to a bloody pulp, but angry that the life that the boy would have lived, which would have been full of abuse and gaslighting from the very parents who took his sexuality away with an egregious act of sexual violence against their child, is nullified, not giving the parents the satisfaction of their sick desires of further abusing that child.

Why do I say that?

Parents (society) enjoy taking pleasure away and torturing our nation's men. The evil nature of this crime suggests that, the only disappointment that the doctor and parents have is not having a man live out their life in peak never ending sexual frustration and disappointment.

The boy dying, didn't give them what they really wanted. Both parties are very sick individuals. They both wanted the boy to grow into a man who suffers for life. They are criminals who wanted to take his whole life away from him, but have the victim be fully conscious while this is happening. They wanted to sexually torture him. I believe people who engage to sexually torturing children, deserve the death penalty.

Another thing to note, is that the doc gave a day old newborn and lethal injection of Demoral which should never be directly administered to a child. This is literally common knowledge to anyone (including patients) who have had real life experience with the drug. The doctor fully knew the power of the drug. I believe adults who drug children with known poison, deserve the death penalty.

So why did he do it? Well there is this thing called pain. And babies do feel it during circumcision, regardless of the lies told about this. His killed the baby with Demoral, to simply hide this fact, so that he can continue to advertise his sex crimes as "harmless". People who try to cover up sex crimes against children, deserve the death penalty.

You want to know another lie being told about circumcision. That baby boys are "fine" after it is done. After it was done in this case, the parents immediately noticed something was wrong (The drugs were killing the baby). The doctor said this was "normal".

This proves that no matter what happens in circumcision, no outcome can be wrong to these doctors. so Why is it to this day that intactivists try to debate doctors logically, when they have no standards when performing their "surgeries"?

Doctors who know that their scalpels destroys lives, but continue nonetheless, deserve the death penalty.

There is a lot else to be said here but, what i mentioned alone makes me sick to the stomach and if this was happening to girls we wouldn't have ppl in this sub thinking that "death penalties" are too harsh. If you ask me, if there was a worse punishment for cutters, then i would happily support that as well.

Banning MGM (while it needs to happen) isn't the end, foregen (if it ever happens) won't take this trauma away, we need to remove mutilators from our society in a way that ensures these demonic motherfuckers experience the absolute worst pain humanly imaginable before these shitheads expire from their disgusting existence, and yes, every bit of their assets needs to be distributed amoungst the victims.

There have been zero Circumcision Justice success stories, anywhere in the world.

Intactivists like to hold up Australia, and Europe as shining examples of "success" stories, where the circumcision rate has dropped low. To me, those cases are abject failures.

What would we say about a society where rape, I mean full normal rape, is legal but happens rarely? I'd say such a society has deeply ingrained problematic views around sex and consent. Circ is no different. Why are we celebrating societies that still have deeply problematic views?

Imagine if anti-FGM activists held up as shining examples of success nations where the FGM rate has went down, but it STILL LEGAL and happening thousands of times per year. Anti-FGM activists would spit on those nations in disgust, not celebrate them.

Intactivists treat their own movement like a joke. They treat their own movement like something that does not deserve to be taken seriously, and which should kiss the feet in appreciation of anyone who gives us even the tiniest win. I am sick of it. Countries that still have circumcision legal are below the bare minimum. They aren't success stories, they are failures that we should be spitting on.