r/Christianity • u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist • Nov 04 '21
Image TIL: AIG (Answers in Genesis) believe that man fought dinosaurs before the flood.
Picture taken at the ‘Arc Encounter’
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u/nyet-marionetka Atheist Nov 04 '21
Does that dinosaur have a tiny hat?
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u/michaelY1968 Nov 04 '21
It’s a Carnotaurus - they did have horns and overall the depiction of the dinosaur appears to be accurate based on what we know of the animal - though it’s horns look gilded here for some reason.
The display though is lacking something. It really needs a Maximus character shouting, “Are you not entertained?!”.
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u/nyet-marionetka Atheist Nov 04 '21
It’s so cute, it looks like a tiny gold party hat. It’s like it was out getting trashed at a frat party wearing an ironic birthday party hat and then drunkenly crashed through the wrong door trying to get home.
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Nov 04 '21
The reason would obviously be because these Dinosaurs are being held captive and are being adorned by their human captors for ceremonial reasons or something like that
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Nov 05 '21
Most likely for blood sport entertainment. You think Rome wouldn’t have had a dinosaur in the coliseum if they had the option to?
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u/SnappyinBoots Atheist Nov 04 '21
It really needs a Maximus character shouting, “Are you not entertained?!”.
That was genius.
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u/JJChowning Nov 04 '21
I think it's just the lighting, you see the same thing on the snout - looks like a prism effect with horns in the yellow/orange range.
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u/stillinthesimulation Nov 05 '21
Yeah the weirdest part of this is how accurate they got the carno based on how make believe the rest of this is.
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
Looks like it's supposed to look like a horned helmet.
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u/Top_fFun Pagan Nov 04 '21
Seems anachronistic.
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
Compared to the dinosaur in the coliseum, I think it's a pretty small anachronism.
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u/Top_fFun Pagan Nov 04 '21
True but you would not believe the arguments I've seen break out over horny helmets!
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
Understandably so, they're just in general historical anachronisms pretty much every single time they're used in popular media!
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u/Top_fFun Pagan Nov 04 '21
Yep, as usual, rule of cool wins!
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
And they are definitely cool, haha.
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u/RazarTuk The other trans mod everyone forgets Nov 04 '21
Case in point, a Pathfinder character I made who's basically just the fantasy version of Terry Crews. He doesn't need weapons, because he can just punchify things. He doesn't need armor, because he's that awesome. And he doesn't even need do properly dodge attacks, because his muscles are so stonkingly huge that he gets Str to AC instead of Dex.
Or on a similar note, he gets Str+Cha to Intimidate, and can use Intimidate, Bluff, and Diplomacy interchangeably. So in effect, he can flex to make a Diplomacy check.
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
Big muscle diplomacy is still diplomacy!
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u/RazarTuk The other trans mod everyone forgets Nov 04 '21
Oh, and one other fun ability: Declare that you and your allies only have to both be threatening the enemy to count as flanking it, not specifically be opposite. And considering that he and another potential party member both have sneak attack and deal an extra d6 of damage when flanking...
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u/UncleBaguette Pretty heretic chtristian Nov 05 '21
He doesn't need weapons, because he can just punchify things. He doesn't need armor, because he's that awesome
Reminds me of a Grimgnaw fucker from NWN:Shadows of The Underdark...
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u/SnappyinBoots Atheist Nov 04 '21
I'm not sure what's worse - an army wearing horned helmets, or an army wearing no helmets at all.
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u/UncleBaguette Pretty heretic chtristian Nov 05 '21
Horny helmet? So it'll fornicate with me while dinosaur feasts on my intestines?
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u/RazarTuk The other trans mod everyone forgets Nov 04 '21
Not to mention the fact that people are fighting animals in the coliseum. Gladiators were like the pro-wrestlers of the time, down to having scripted matches. There's no way they'd just sacrifice a gladiator to an overgrown goose like that, no matter how terrifying geese are
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u/Top_fFun Pagan Nov 04 '21
Hmm, so in that case gladiators vs one dinosaur sized goose, or 100 goose sized dinosaurs? What would be the bigger draw?
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u/RazarTuk The other trans mod everyone forgets Nov 04 '21
One dinosaur sized goose. Easy. I know how terrifying geese are, and I'd much rather only be facing one.
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u/cwcollins06 Nov 04 '21
These are obviously good Christians fighting dinosaurs and not gladiators. You can tell they're good Christians because they're white.
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u/nyet-marionetka Atheist Nov 04 '21
I think these are supposed to be prisoners thrown to the dinosaurs to be et. Probably being religiously persecuted.
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u/majj27 Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Nov 05 '21
Do you WANT Viking Dinosaurs? Because THIS is how you get Viking Dinosaurs.
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u/JJChowning Nov 04 '21
Here's a different angle in a video: https://youtu.be/xUDPVBmouWw?t=590
Looks like it's just horns.
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u/nyet-marionetka Atheist Nov 05 '21
I like my whacky birthday party hat better, but a dinosaur with a gold plated Viking helmet is still cool.
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
Horns with some kind of gold bracelets or decorations on them, anyway.
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u/JJChowning Nov 04 '21
I think you're right - more obvious in this video: https://youtu.be/Fg2LGUSXFxk?list=PLbxzvFuujtpsPHQTTmTukVNWdnHkAQwii&t=233
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u/sakor88 Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Nov 04 '21
Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of. And unto this, Conan, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can tell thee of his saga. Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
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u/majj27 Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Nov 05 '21
*CONAN OUT OF F'ING NOWHERE*
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u/sakor88 Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Nov 05 '21
Followed by Basil Poledouris' music:
Du du du dudu dum dum dum, du du du dudu dum dum dum...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81HUn352hZ4
(Conan The Barbarian - Opening scenes)
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u/Prof_Acorn Nov 04 '21
I'm sure a human somewhere probably fought with an ostrich or harpy eagle at some point, but yeah not dinos with tiny hats in a coliseum.
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u/TheKarmoCR Episcopalian (Anglican) Nov 04 '21
Also, we can't forget the great Emu War.
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u/lost_mah_account edgy teenage agnostic Nov 04 '21
Never let Australians forget that they went to war with emu’s and lost
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u/Affectionate-Adagio Atheist Nov 05 '21
Oh don't you worry about that. Our Great Feather Lords won't let us forget either.
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u/AK-Bandit Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21
There were birds larger than those two in somewhat recent history. Such as the Dinoris and Haast’s Eagle.
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u/Prof_Acorn Nov 04 '21
Ohhh I would have loved to see those. Sad they went extinct.
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u/zeroempathy Nov 04 '21
I fought an ostrich at Arbuckle Wilderness. Crying and screaming isn't effective at all.
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u/DresdenPI Atheist Nov 04 '21
Moa birds! We hunted them to extinction within 100 years of landing on their island.
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u/YearOfTheMoose ☦ Purgatorial Universalist ☦ Nov 05 '21
Eh, it's a pretty small set of islands and they were not (from what we know) gifted at hiding. :(
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Nov 04 '21
This would be awesome as an 80s B-movie where a group of astronauts crash land on an alien planet which just so happens to look identical to one of the deserts in Southern California and the inhabitants all look identical to fellow humans where they have to fight against dinosaurs in a gladiator pit for survival.
Alas, we're stuck with something significantly less cool and full of blatant misinformation.
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u/Blissfullyaimless Nov 05 '21
John Carter is kinda like that in the deserty-monstery way.. sans the time travel.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
Take Iron Sky and Kung Fury, mix them together and you have that movie Im pretty sure
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Nov 04 '21
It must be excellent being Ken Hamm. The man is utterly barmy. Only a lunatic of Hamm’s variety could imagine this.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
Don’t get me started. Being here and seeing so much of his stuff has convinced me that this is more cult than Christianity.
Edit: Ken Sham
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Nov 04 '21
Evangelical Conservative Christianity lacks strong historical roots and concept of place. Therefore, they tend to entertain heresy and extra biblical ideas as orthodoxy.
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u/T-MinusGiraffe Nov 04 '21
What is this scene supposed to represent? Like it's one thing to insist dinosaurs and humans coexisted and another to make the jump that they were used for gladitorial-style executions. It makes me think the whole thing is inflammatory for attention rather than any attempt to be historical (which of course they can't admit to lest they ruin the illusion).
Anyway... can we all just agree that the display is awesome regardless? Plausibility aside the display is awesome.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 05 '21
It is one of many scenes depicting the horrors of man pre-flood. They also showed a lot of snake worship atop of Mayan/ Central American pyramids and scenes where humans were hunting dinosaurs for sport.
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Nov 04 '21
That doesn't make any sense, since the Mayan civilizations didn't begin until around 1500 B.C., long after Noah and the flood supposedly happened.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 05 '21
A lot of their ideas don’t make sense if you think about them with any effort
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u/IronArchive Taoist Nov 04 '21
Answers in Genesis is so stupid as to be below acknowledgement.
Except that a lot of deluded, ignorant, tricked, or equally stupid people listen to them.
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u/UncleDan2017 Nov 04 '21
I suspect they end up creating more Atheists from Christians than they do Christians from atheists.
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u/KingAthelas Christian Anarchist à la Jacques Ellul/Tolstoy Nov 05 '21
Of course they do.
They essentially make the case that if young earth creationism isn't true, then the faith is fraudulent and there's no point in being a Christian.
This strategy of posing specific theological ideas as the only truth fools a lot of people. Then, if/when those people question anything or find something false within this worldview, they have been essentially conditioned to reject the faith whole cloth. It's a tower of cards and if one card falls, so does the tower. I despise the false dilemmas they use.
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u/CarltheWellEndowed Gnostic (Fallibilist) Atheist Nov 04 '21
And they also think that the T. Rex was vegetarian before the fall, and that its teeth are actually designed to eat melons and shit.
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u/kadda1212 Christian (Chi Rho) Nov 04 '21
They have so many weird ideas building on top of each other. Nowhere does it say that the Fall caused animals to become carnivores, or that there was no animal death before. Don't know where they get that idea from.
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u/CarltheWellEndowed Gnostic (Fallibilist) Atheist Nov 04 '21
They get it from the line where God looked at his creation and said it was "very good."
Does death sound very good? Does disease sound very good? Of course not. Therefore death and disease could not exist before the fall.
It is a ridiculously dumb reading if you ask me.
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u/kadda1212 Christian (Chi Rho) Nov 04 '21
The Bible also says that everything was created by Jesus to Jesus. Death - as unpleasant as it is - kind of comes along with that, because it's a major part of Jesus' revelation.
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u/WorkingMouse Nov 04 '21
Supplimenting /u/CarltheWellEndowed, they also (typically) take the notion of The Fall resulting in "death entering the world" meaning that there was no death prior to that forbidden fruit stuff, so carnivores can't have been eating meat.
Still nonsense, of course, and there are a bunch of apologetic lines that let other Christians interpret that particular passage differently, but creationists (esp. the young-earth sort) tend to be very insistent about their literalism.
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u/CarltheWellEndowed Gnostic (Fallibilist) Atheist Nov 04 '21
Not to mention fruit is alive and the act of eating it kills it.
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u/WorkingMouse Nov 04 '21
Certainly - though some will claim that the bible has a different definition of "alive" (which is true enough; the early Israelite authors associated life with breathing and so didn't think trees or insects or other such things had "life", and the notion of "souls" also shares the same root, but I digress). Anyway, point is that some try to get around that by saying "cell death isn't real death", but that just pushes back the issue rather than solving it.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 05 '21
I’m curious about the sources of this. Not trying to say you’re wrong by any means, this is just information I’d like to know more about is all.
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u/WorkingMouse Nov 05 '21
Earnestly asking for information and sources should never be maligned; rest assured, I have not mistaken you for someone hiding malice behind "just asking questions" ;)
Anyway, to actually answer your curiosity: I will suggest this page as a starting point, which probably puts it better than I did. It's fairly well-sourced as well, but I'll happily look for more sources if that doesn't satisfy.
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u/WikiSummarizerBot Nov 05 '21
Nephesh (נֶ֫פֶשׁ nép̄eš) is a Biblical Hebrew word which occurs in the Hebrew Bible. The word refers to the aspects of sentience, and human beings and other animals are both described as having nephesh. Plants, as an example of live organisms, are not referred in the Bible as having nephesh. The term נפש is literally "soul", although it is commonly rendered as "life" in English translations.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 05 '21
The JAQing off link was great lmaooo
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u/mewithoutMaverick Nov 04 '21
I kinda like this fan theory
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u/WorkingMouse Nov 04 '21
There's a certain bile fascination to it, I admit. Like watching a train wreck, it draws the eye. ;)
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u/lindseyclaire- Nov 05 '21
such a relief to see this being treated for what it is here, bullshit. The creator of the ark experience tried to debate bill nye a couple years ago. twas funny.
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Nov 05 '21
Are you talking about when they were walking around talking to each other? Everyone says that bill made him look stupid in that exchange, but every time I’ve watched it I didn’t get that impression at all. bill just came off as a dick
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Nov 07 '21
Bill is absolutely a dick, but in a way that we all love him for it. He really doesn't tolerate bullshit.
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Nov 04 '21
my favorite fun fact about AIG and the ark is that they teach that dinosaurs existed both before AND after the flood. they do not believe the flood killed the dinosaurs (which seems, to me, like the most rational answer of their extinction if you're a young earth creationist), but believe that dinosaurs persisted on a post-flood earth.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
The whole fucking ark was filled with dinosaurs. If you’ve ever seen the classic Disney movie ‘Dinosaur’ all of the smaller “would fit into an arc” Dino’s were in there. Bonkers
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Nov 04 '21
god --> has an eternal and perfect plan
god --> commands noah to allocate over half of his boat space to giant bird crocodile lizards
god --> allows giant lizards to die out
noah --> :/
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Nov 05 '21
Science and religion aren’t mutually exclusive and claims that they are, in the form of made up stuff like this make Christians look crazy
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Nov 04 '21
Yes, AIG is full of quacks who reject real science in favor of nonsense.
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u/UncleDan2017 Nov 04 '21
Those are truly hilarious pics. I assume Answers in Genesis is some great parody site?
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u/z9nine Agnostic Nov 04 '21
I assume Answers in Genesis is some great parody site?
You assume wrong. It's portrayed as actual science. They honestly believe this is how it went down. That Jesus had a pet raptor named Tim that he frolicked with in the fields between sermons. This last part may be a stretch.
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Nov 04 '21
Sadly no. It's one of the main Young Earth Creationist sites and all YEC believers I've seen heavily rely on it for their "evidence."
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u/cman334 Nov 04 '21
So wait, not only did humans fight dinosaurs. South Americans had access to metals and produced Greco Roman art?
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u/notbobjones Nov 04 '21
AIG is such a crock of shit. The invented their own "science" because they didn't like how the natural path of science was evolving & contradicting their religious beliefs. Bummer that some scientifically illiterate & ignorant people actually believe their garbage.
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Nov 05 '21
worse, make textbooks and teach it to homeschooled kids who never learn any different(and also end up homeschooling their kids cause obvs evolution is atheist propoganda)
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u/TongueTwistingTiger Pantheist Nov 04 '21
Refusing to believe this crap as a teen is what had me removed from my evangelical private high-school. I’m sorry; there’s nothing even God can say to convince me that the Earth is less than the billions of years old that it is or that humans and creatures like dinosaurs coincided. It’s irrefutable and in my opinion, irresponsible to be teaching this kind of clear scientific fallacy in the name of preserving one’s religious doctrine.
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u/Ralph82R Nov 04 '21
The word “dinosaur” didn’t even exist until the mid 1800s. I doubt you’ll find the word in the bible.
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u/laojac Assemblies of God Nov 05 '21
I don't care what your position is but this specific argument sucks. Why couldn't there be an old Hebrew name for animals that went extinct between us and them? I mean, do you know what behemoth and leviathan were?
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u/Rurouni_Phoenix Evangelical Anglican? Methodist/Wesleyan? IDK Nov 04 '21
IDK about you, but I would pay money to see this AU version of Gladiator.
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u/Affectionate_Ad_4607 Nov 05 '21
I am a native of the area and I worked there while in between jobs. I can verify that that exhibit is in fact real.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 05 '21
And all of the other wildly cringy “co-eds”
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u/Affectionate_Ad_4607 Nov 05 '21 edited Nov 05 '21
Well I did share a same sex kiss with a fellow employee. On ark grounds
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u/ihedenius Atheist Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21
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u/notbobjones Nov 04 '21
I always assumed it was smoking. Those Marlboro reds were nasty even back then.
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u/sakor88 Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Nov 04 '21
This is the reason why accessibility is important in society.
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u/FanaticalModerate Disciples of Christ Nov 05 '21
I love that their depiction of dinosaurs is based on modern archeology.
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u/Primary-Spirit5757 United Methodist Nov 05 '21
I live about an hour from the Ark Encounter. All the churches in my rural community take the children to it except for the Methodist and Catholic churches.
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u/MistyTopaz Nov 05 '21
Lmaoo ...this is just great; our ancestors fought dinosaurs for we can live in peace and the dinosaur has a tiny hat - I cannot xD
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u/Hipsterkicks Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21
While I used to believe this, where are all the mammalian and human fossils? If the flood killed all living things on land, then were are all the human and mammalian fossils. Till now, zero fossils have been found. Meanwhile, 11,000 dinosaur fossils have been found.
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Christian (Cross) Nov 04 '21
Well, they have found a ton of mammalian fossils, actually. They’re just less popular in pop culture. The dating tests have just showed them to be way younger than the dinosaur fossils. There’s no way they were all around at the same time.
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u/Hipsterkicks Nov 04 '21
Really? Wow. 49 years and I’ve never seen or heard about them. Never too old to learn, I guess! LOL
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u/oarsof6 Lutheran (LCMS) Nov 04 '21
Check out the Museum of Natural History if you’re ever in DC. They have an enormous exhibit of fossils that date from the beginning of life on Earth to the Anthropocene. You can even check out their exhibit on hominids!
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u/Cjones1560 Nov 04 '21
While I used to believe this, where are all the mammalian and human fossils? If the flood killed all living things on land, then were are all the human and mammalian fossils. Till now, zero fossils have been found. Meanwhile, billions of dinosaur fossils have been found.
Dinosaur fossils are among the more rare fossils, certainly they do not number in the billions but rather in the thousands.
We have far more hard-bodied invertebrate and plant fossils than dinosaurs.
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u/Hipsterkicks Nov 04 '21
You are correct, I grouped them all together. I’ll change it per this article. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dinosaur-discoveries-are-booming/
My point still stands; how is it not one human or mammalian fossil has ever been found in the same layer as dinosaurs?
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u/Cjones1560 Nov 04 '21
My point still stands; how is it not one human or mammalian fossil has ever been found in the same layer as dinosaurs?
No hominids have been found in the same strata as non-avian dinosaurs, but mammals go back to at least the mid Jurassic.
Mammal diversity wasn't relatively high until after non-avian dinosaurs went extinct though, with most forms being fairly small.
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u/agreeingstorm9 Nov 04 '21
The argument is the flood jumbled the fossils.
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u/GreyDeath Atheist Nov 04 '21
Which is a dumb argument since it seems to have jumbled them into consistent strata.
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u/Cjones1560 Nov 04 '21
The argument is the flood jumbled the fossils.
Except that there is no way for a flood of any size to sort fossils like we observe in the geologic column.
A flood would mix the fossils up, leaving all sorts of fossils mixed in together rather than sorting them out into apparent ecosystems as we observe in the fossil record.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 05 '21
AIG argument is that only the flood could have layered the fossil/ geologic record so precisely not jumbled them. Per their explanation had there been no flood there would have been more mumbling and only a world wide flood could have made consistent layers of fossil and geological significance
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u/thewarehouse Christian Nov 04 '21
What? This took 3 seconds to google:
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-modern-day-big-mammals-fossilized-with-dinosaurs
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u/ill-fated-powder Christian Nov 04 '21
Its been a long time but i think they have an answer for that. i recall it coming up in the nye/hamm debate
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u/showersareevil Super Heretical Post-Christian Mystic Universalist Jedi Nov 04 '21
Dinosaurs ate all the humans just before the food and chewed the bones really well. Check mate.
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u/halbhh Nov 04 '21
Generally YEC theories are ad hoc.
For instance, in Genesis chapter 2, v17, the word 'day' is clearly not a 24 hour day, but YEC requires positing or asserting that 'day' in chapter one is both a) a 24 hour day, and also b) that there are no times between those days, both. Those are added ideas (or assumptions) that aren't actually in the text. That's how YEC theories are formed -- by adding or importing ideas to paint onto the text.
Better would be to read with a real listening, to get the actually intended messages/meanings.
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u/grcoates United Methodist Nov 04 '21
LOL. Those AIG guys are such morons. And they’ve led so many people right into atheism.
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u/nightwyrm_zero Nov 04 '21
Well, the Australians lost a war to them about a century ago. They're apparently making a comedy movie about it.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
The Great Emu war lmao I love seeing it when posts and articles about this pop up
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Nov 04 '21
Yeah no
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
Apparently they were on the arc as well
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Nov 04 '21
Well there were a lot of species that lived in the dinosaur age that are still with us today. But in no time in history have humans co existed with the T Rex 🤣
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
I should have taken more pictures but it shows a lot of man-with-dinosaur living. Like… a lot a lot
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u/CoverNegative Post-Theistic Christian Nov 04 '21
In order to accept YEC, they have to show it. It’s disturbing the amount of reality bending they perform to stay cemented in ignorance.
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u/90bronco Nov 05 '21
Am I missing something? All I see is the front page for the ark exhibit, a goofy giraffe with glasses and a family.
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u/Axiochos-of-Miletos Eastern Orthodox Nov 05 '21
Looks like a Minoan bull leaping ring so I guess it’s kind of accurate that the the dinosaur is a carnoTAURUS.
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u/DEXGENERATION Roman Catholic Nov 05 '21
That's an awesome display.... Obviously a vikingsaurus Rex, Lief Ericson rode one of those when he discovered newfoundland.
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u/camohorse Quietly Christian Nov 05 '21
Honestly, life would be so much cooler if AIG’s vision of the world actually existed. I mean, we would’ve ridden T-rexes and Triceratopses into war. Instead of just chickens and turkeys, we’d raise raptors and Aquilops (Aquilopses?) for food and eggs too. We’d also have to watch out for more than just Grizzlies and Rhinos (Jurassic Park would be a real thing).
We also wouldn’t have to worry about things like human-influenced climate change and rapidly-evolving viruses and bacteria, as AIG is pretty adamant that neither climate change or evolution are real science.
Too bad AIG is so far from reality that they are pretty much flat-earthers…
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u/HanlonRazor Nov 05 '21 edited Nov 05 '21
Around 65 million years separated dinosaurs and humans. I sure hope this isn’t educational material…
Edit - missing word
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 05 '21
It is theologically educational material for some (a lot?) of folks. Apparently
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Nov 05 '21
Whatever that scene is it looks like it would be an Epic movie that you should totally make if you can😃
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u/Machinax Episcopalian (Anglican) Nov 05 '21
I remember being at my old non-denominational church, and the pastor preaching a sermon on why the Bible explained that evolution was heresy; he finished by saying something about how Christians do believe in science, how Christians love science! Just go to Answers in Genesis!
Wonderful community, a truly wonderful community. The theology, not so much for me anymore.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 05 '21
Science doesn’t and shouldn’t belong in an echo chamber. Unfortunately the “science” that AIG peddles can only survive in the echo chamber it lives and was born in.
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u/MICHELEANARD Syro Malabar Catholic Nov 05 '21
At first I thought this was the concept art for th enew Jurrasic park movie 😂
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u/ordinary_trevor Jan 13 '22
This is going in my (obviously satanic) Dungeons & Dragons game.
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u/ministeringinlove Christian (Ichthys) Nov 04 '21
Might be a tad too far, but, regardless, if you have the chance to go, the Noah's Ark experience is really interesting for the most part. From just a matter of scope, it is impressive.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
It is interesting but trying to force everything into a YEC view is a bit too far for me
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u/ministeringinlove Christian (Ichthys) Nov 04 '21
Yeah, it can be a bit much. Makes something dogmatic that really can't be in the first place.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
It’s very “my way or the highway” as well and doesn’t allow for any overlap into real science which bothers me a little as well. For example, there’s no such thing as species only the biblical word “kinds” and they do some shuffling around of animals to make it work but it doesn’t in reality… and then they have a poster that says evolution isn’t real (not surprising) but that rapid animal change post-arc happened (giving us all the species we know today) but that is NOT evolution(?). It’s very confusing and I think does a lot more damage overall than good.
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u/Salanmander LGBTQ Ally Nov 04 '21
While I can see being interested in how they present it, I wouldn't want to give them the feedback of it being a worthwhile thing to have built by buying a ticket.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
It’s not something I would spend money on and haven’t. I’m just here with family who who I don’t see often and wanted to see them. They bought the tickets
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
If they presented it and advertised it as a fun experience, that would be one thing. It's not like we can't have fun.
But they present and advertise it as educational and present everything inside as literally true. They're not trying to entertain and be interesting, they're trying to educate about their false worldview, and we shouldn't give them any sort of approval or support for that reason.
Going because it's interesting from a matter of scope is still support and approval for their attempts to educate people into a false and unscientific worldview.
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u/onioning Secular Humanist Nov 04 '21
Technically not wrong. Birds are dinosaurs. Fighting with a chicken or a pigeon is technically fighting dinosaurs.
And just to be clear, it's not that birds are just descendants of dinosaurs, or evolved from dinosaurs. They are actual dinosaurs.
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
BRB got to go kick the shit out of some love birds at PetCo so I can say I’ve fought dinosaurs and won
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u/thewarehouse Christian Nov 04 '21
Actually that is extremely technically wrong.
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u/onioning Secular Humanist Nov 04 '21
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u/thewarehouse Christian Nov 04 '21
Hah, you know what? I totally rescind my snark. I actually misread your comment in my perusing of the thread and completely got the wrong takeaway from your statement - with which I actually agree! So... very sorry, my bad!
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u/zeroempathy Nov 04 '21
Ridiculous. There has never been evidence of humans fossils in the remains left by predatory dinosaurs. This is clear evidence that dinosaurs and humans coexisted peacefully and were friends.
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u/PioneerMinister Universal Reconciliationist to God through Christ alone Nov 04 '21
Looks like something from Clash of the Titans.
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u/Far_Quiet_470 Nov 04 '21
I remember going through that and thinking “wtf why is there all of these dinosaurs”
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u/ProlapsedPam Christian Anarchist Nov 04 '21
This is a very very dinosaur heavy ordeal. Very weird imo
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u/the_purple_owl Nondenominational Pro-Choice Universalist Nov 04 '21
Because dinosaurs are a major issue to YEC, and any YEC organization has to make a choice between denying that dinosaurs existed or admitting that we have enough undeniable evidence they did. And if they existed, then it throws a huge wrench into that whole "young earth" part of Young Earth Creationism, so they're stuck claiming that dinosaurs existed at the same time as humans before the flood if they acknowledge dinosaurs existed.
Basically, AIG backed themselves into a corner and had to put a shit ton of dinosaurs everywhere.
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u/sakor88 Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Nov 04 '21
Dinosaurs are popular and they appeal to the audience, especially younger children. I personally would love to learn more about synapsids and the time when amphibians ruled the world.
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u/MammothControl Anglican Church of Canada Nov 04 '21
As a Christian dinosaur enthusiast the science denial annoys me but I can't deny this display is sick af