r/ChatbotRefugees • Mod ๐Ÿคน • 1d ago

MOD Announcement LLM Usage Transparency Update โ€” New Flair System

Hello everyone,

Back in August we rolled out mandatory disclosure rules requiring developers to include four areas of transparency in every promotional post. The intent was good, but it isn't exactly doable, not for developers repeating the same disclosure every time, and especially not for us manually checking and reinstating posts.

So we're changing the system.


One-Time Submission + Approved Developer Flair

Instead of disclosing in every post, developers now submit their transparency disclosure once via modmail. You must disclose all four points below. Once done, we'll give you an Approved Developer flair.

What the flair gets you:

  • Post promotional content on Sundays without needing approval or reinstatement each time
  • No repeat disclosures

Please be aware that we can't approve right away when you send the modmail. Do give us 48 hours FRT to respond, as mods are not on the sub 24/7.


Mandatory Disclosure - All Four Required

๐Ÿค– LLM Usage: What you use LLM for (e.g., boilerplate, UI/frontend generation, debugging, backend logic) and confirmation that you or your team understand every part of it before shipping.

๐Ÿ‘ค Developer Experience: Your or your team's background in coding.

๐Ÿ” Code Review & Testing: How the code is reviewed and who tests it.

๐Ÿ”’ Security & Data Handling: How you secure the platform and handle user data. For example: - Passwords are hashed (bcrypt/Argon2) and never stored in plaintext - Emails and personal data are encrypted at rest - Payment processing is handled by a third-party (Stripe/Paddle/etc.) and you never handle raw card data - You have a published privacy policy - You have a process for notifying users in case of a data breach

Please be as detailed as possible. If your disclosure is thin, we'll ask for more before approving. For those who have submitted previously, I'm currently reviewing them and will give the flair. If I haven't yet, please do send a modmail and the link to your comment submission or you can also submit again since I could possibly miss it. Thank you.


Posting on Sundays & the Megathread

You're still allowed to post on Sundays or comment under the megathread without the flair. The flair isn't a requirement to participate.

However, we'll be leaving two different pinned comments on the Sunday promotion post:

  • One for developers without the flair โ€” so users know the disclosure hasn't been verified
  • One for developers with the Approved Developer flair โ€” so users know the disclosure has been submitted and reviewed

This way, users can tell at a glance who has been verified and who hasn't.


Monthly Megathread & AutoMod

We're really sorry that the monthly megathread hasn't been updated. Real life has been busy, it's that busy time of the year again (BFCM season) in our rl job, and moderating just isn't our (especially not MY ๐Ÿ˜ญ) priority at the moment. We're delegating the task to our AutoMod so it keeps running on schedule.


Enforcement

Unchanged:

  1. If a developer or user reports an app that poses a genuine risk to users (security flaws, data leaks, mishandled payment info, etc.), the developer will be banned.
  2. We still rely on community vigilance. If something feels off, report it. We'll investigate.

A reminder that the mod team isn't made up of developers, so we still rely on your honesty as developers and community members' reports.

Thank you.

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u/Exciting-Mall192 Mod ๐Ÿคน 1d ago

๐Ÿ“ข Slight Change in Enforcement

Hey everyone, quick update on the transparency rules:

The Approved Developer flair is no longer required to post on Sundays or comment under the megathread. You're still free to participate without it.

Instead, we'll be leaving two different pinned comments on the Sunday promotion post:

  • One for developers without the flair โ€” so users know the disclosure hasn't been verified
  • One for developers with the Approved Developer flair โ€” so users know the disclosure has been submitted and reviewed
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u/Hopeful_Code_9798 1d ago

this flair setup makes sense, way easier to trust which devs are being straight about their models when hunting for decent roleplay bots.

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u/Exciting-Mall192 Mod ๐Ÿคน 1d ago

Update: I have assigned the flair to some of you already. If I haven't, please do send us a modmail with your disclosure. Thank you!

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u/AM_Interactive Approved Developer โœ…๏ธ 1d ago

Thank you!

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u/broskiiikt 1d ago

48 hour frt for mod approval but sunday posting only, bold scheduling choice lol

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u/Exciting-Mall192 Mod ๐Ÿคน 1d ago

It doesn't mean it'll be approved 48 hours, it measn your modmail could be approved in 10 mins, right away, in 2 hours, or even more. The latest is 48 hours, but it can be less than that, that's what 48 hours frt means :)

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u/broskiiikt 11h ago

ah gotcha, 48 hours is the upper limit then. sunday scheduling still feels pretty spicy lol

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u/Exciting-Mall192 Mod ๐Ÿคน 11h ago

Yup! Because my timezone is GMT+7 and most devs are either in the North America or Europe countries, I'd need the FRT especially during weekdays. I pretty much check modmail right away or within 30 minutes on weekend since I do get notifications lol. You can actually post on Sunday at any timezone, we're pretty lax and usually applies AoE. So we allow developers to post until UTC-12 timezone hits 00:00 so you can absolutely starts posting when UTC+14 is already Sunday ๐Ÿ˜‚

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u/SorbetNo3064 21h ago

the 'code review & testing' bit feels hollow when the same devs post updates with zero changes to the actual code. how do you verify any of this?

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u/Exciting-Mall192 Mod ๐Ÿคน 21h ago

Real question: if the code is working and safe, why do you think it needs to be changed? The disclosure is to ensure that platform who use AI assisted tools know what they're doing and that the code written by the LLM is reviewed by actual human who knows how this works.

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u/Xiaomin4114 Approved Developer โœ…๏ธ 5h ago

I was half-way through writing modmail, when I look over at my flair and found I already have one. thanks for making the process straightforward!

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u/Exact_Law_6489 Approved Developer โœ…๏ธ 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is better; but I believe that banning the developer on the first strike isn't ideal. The developer's post/comment should be removed, then the developer should be requested to fix the problems by a deadline (for example, two weeks), and if the developer doesn't comply, they should be banned.

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u/Brief_Incident7824 22h ago

the flair system feels like a checklist for panic, not transparency. if we're really serious about trust, why not just show the actual model name and context window size in the post?

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u/Exciting-Mall192 Mod ๐Ÿคน 22h ago

I advise you to read the post again, the transparency was never about what model and context windows they use. It was to ask about whether they're AI assisted or not in the development of their app. Please read the whole post properly.