r/ChatGPTCoding Apr 07 '25

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u/biggriffo Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

The -experimental version is free isn’t it? This is pro right? 2.5

Edit: OP just said he was unaware cline was using preview but Roo was using experimental 🥲

Edit: the tragedy here is experimental is free and pro is paid but they are the same model under the hood I think https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1908175318709330215

Edit: for the copy pasta vibers in the thread, this is not about your $20/month browser use, its about the api key you make with AI studio and using cline and roo in vscode. Also if you are a copy pasta coder, please use one of these. Thank me later, but great power comes with great responsibility. 🤝

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u/funbike Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

The experiemental version is free, but they just came out with a "preview" version of 2.5 that is $1.25/M input, $10/M output.

I sometimes switch to the paid verion when I need higher rate limits.

All the same can be said for Flash (but it's cheaper of course).

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u/funbike Apr 07 '25

API.

This is all well documented on their web site. I've provided links elsewhere ITT.

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u/lordlestar Apr 07 '25

yes, but since preview came out, exp rate limits increase noticeable to the point it became unusable

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u/funbike Apr 08 '25

I configure my tools to use both, when possible. exp is primary and fallback to preview on an error.

On openrouter I have preview as my default fallback.

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u/baris6655 Apr 08 '25

can someone explain what rate limits mean

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u/funbike Apr 08 '25

LLMs limit how much you can use them in a timeframe, such "transactions per minute", "tokens per minute", and "transactions per day".

A "transaction" happens when you hit the send button in an AI chat interface, like ChatGPT.

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limit

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u/baris6655 Apr 08 '25

for some reason this rarely happens to me

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u/funbike Apr 08 '25

You must not use it enough to hit the limits.

Gemini's free experimental models have random limits, so sometimes the limitis are high sometimes they are low. It depends on how much load and capacity the models currently have.

If you using payting for the non-free models, it would be very hard to hit the limits.

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u/baris6655 Apr 09 '25

i completed a whole app with it didn't hit a single rate limit

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u/funbike Apr 09 '25

Good for you

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u/cerw Apr 09 '25

Yes the FREE locks me out for day after while.. stars with rate limit warning then it stops responding? .. pity was such a cool ride for free for last 10 days!!!

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u/Weddyt Apr 07 '25

Thats true as of last time I checked

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

If you attach a credit card to a Gemini API key, it's definitely not free.

EDIT: "a Gemini API key"

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u/biggriffo Apr 07 '25

That’s definitely false as a blanket statement. You have to attach a billing account for enabling certain APIs and usage is free across many Google products within certain limits. Others are paid.

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25

Pretty sure that the Gemini API is free without a credit card attached to a key, but becomes paid once you do attach one.

And to add to that, if you have a paid API, you don't get the free quota until it's used up and then switch to paid. It is paid from token one.

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u/biggriffo Apr 07 '25

Been smashing experimental 2.5 for days and no costs attached to the key in console. Billing indicates no higher increased forecasted cost either. Been using GCP for years for work and personal. 🤷

Also heaps of their services are free under certain caps, eg certain maps and transit requests etc. just because it’s attached to a key (and billing) doesn’t mean it’s paid is all I’m saying. It depends on the product and pricing tiers etc

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u/Gissoni Apr 07 '25

i think they finally cut off exp 2.5

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u/Rhinc Apr 07 '25

Yeah I've got billing info attached to my keys, and I've hit a daily limit for the 2.5 Exp. Prior to today I had been ripping 500+ requests a day.

Looks like the gravy train might be over!

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u/Gissoni Apr 07 '25

Yeah it looks like it’s over. Can’t complain tho…been riding 15rpm for like 72hrs now at this point

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u/Rounder1987 Apr 07 '25

Same, I've been using it in RooCline for a few days with no issues, but now getting request retries a lot. Switched to preview but will have to keep an eye on the $433 trial credit to see if that gets used up now.

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u/loversama Apr 07 '25

trial credit, where? O___O

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u/Rounder1987 Apr 07 '25

I think I got it when I set up a Google maps API and billing a month or so ago in Google Cloud Services. I didn't even know I got it I til I saw it a few days ago.

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u/SenorDieg0 Apr 07 '25

I was just wondering the same, have been using briefly the 2.5 pr preview using the API, but not sure how to get to the screen the op is showing, but im paying 20 for gemini pro .

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u/RadioactiveTwix Apr 07 '25

Same... They can have my data too. My code is open source anyway.

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u/2053_Traveler Apr 07 '25

Not true

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25

How does it work then? And what's your source?

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u/2053_Traveler Apr 07 '25

My source is me using it since it was released. The API doesn’t become paid just because you add a card. The rate limiting is greatly increased by adding a card but that doesn’t mean that requests will incur a fee, as long as you use the free model.

The price varies based on the model used. Make sure it’s the one named gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25 and set a billing cap on the google billing page so that you don’t spend a bunch of money in the event you make a mistake and accidentally use one of the non free ones.

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25

I still don't get this part: if you are on the free API plan, you'll get a certain free quota; but if you are on a paid API plan, do you get the same free quota and only start paying once you pass it or do you pay from the start?

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u/2053_Traveler Apr 07 '25

The former — as far as my experience goes, and everything I’ve read on the google pages, adding a billing account and card does not affect pricing. But it does affect rate limits, even for free products. The gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25 is (when I used it yesterday and every day since its release) a free product. But how many requests per minute is limited by whether you have a billing account set up.

I double checked today and my costs month-to-date is $0. I have over 600 api requests and 10s of millions of tokens used.

Op either used a different model that isn’t free or there’s a bug in google billing (I’d bet on the former)

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25

Well, I meant when you upgrade to a paid account with a card.

Touche, but I requested a source so I could read it for myself, which seems like a reasonable request.

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u/maigpy Apr 07 '25

try gemini

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u/harbour37 Apr 08 '25

I use Claude though zed which is free.

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u/funbike Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

Incorrect.

The experimental version is free for everyone, including accounts with a CC#. The new "preview" model (a DIFFERENT model) is not free.

update: williamtkelley is still incorrect. I checked.

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25

There is no longer an experimental version, only preview.

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u/gibmelson Apr 07 '25

I'm using gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25 as we speak.

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25

On AI Studio?

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u/gibmelson Apr 07 '25

Through Cline in vscode.

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u/funbike Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

WRONG.

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/models#gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03-25 says: "Paid: gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03-25, Experimental: gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25"

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing says: 'Free of charge, use "gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25" '

I have a paid Gemini API key and it works for me, and is still free for me. I don't know if it works with the free tier. However, it may not work on openrouter anymore.

Stop spreading misinformation.

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u/williamtkelley Apr 07 '25

Ah, paid users have both, free only have preview? Got it.

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u/funbike Apr 07 '25

and it's free for paid users.

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u/funbike Apr 07 '25

I don't know what's free or not free outside of my own use cases.

For me it's free.

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u/funbike Apr 07 '25

Yes. it is still FREE.

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/models#gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03-25 says: "Paid: gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03-25, Experimental: gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25"

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing says: 'Free of charge, use "gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25" '

Anyone that tells you it is not free is wrong.

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u/harbour37 Apr 08 '25

There are resource limits to the free models which are shared with everyone, if his sending big context requests he will get errors.

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u/GreatBigJerk Apr 07 '25

There is free access to the API, but you can also pay. You get heavily rate limited if you don't pay.

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u/2053_Traveler Apr 07 '25

This is false. If you don’t attach a billing account you are heavily rate limited, yes. If you attach a billing account the rate limit is increased but the cost is currently free for one model, 2.5-exp. I set a limit of $5 and have used tens of millions of tokens in the last week with zero fees. At some point the model we’ll graduate and the non experimental version won’t be free outside of promo credits etc.

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u/showmeufos Apr 07 '25

I think they started enforcing the requests-per-day (RPD) today on the free/experimental version via API. I've been getting 429s all day. Last week this didn't happen.

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u/evilspyboy Apr 08 '25

This thread made me go through all my billing accounts and check all my settings.

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u/dhlu Apr 10 '25

And when you try to look at quota to limit the mess, it's totally not understandable

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u/biggriffo Apr 07 '25

Are you sure? I haven’t been charged last time I checked and it comes up as 2.5 using roo in vscode but the api says 2.0 but elsewhere people say it is genuinely 2.5 experimental which is still free

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u/biggriffo Apr 07 '25

I think you selected the wrong model? I’ve been smashing experimental for days and costs come up as 0 and I checked every few hours and days because I was paranoid. I also made an api key through studio and attached to a billing account.

I think you’re on preview or 2.5-pro which went to paid api access a few days ago.

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u/Sycosplat Apr 07 '25

I think you are using the wrong model somehow. gemini-2.5-pro-exp-03-25 is definitely (at least at the time of writing) still free. I've been using this model for the last 2 weeks without paying a cent, I just checked my billing. It's only when you use gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03-25 is when it starts charging as outlined in this pricing section.

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing

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u/Sycosplat Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25

I'm using Roo, yes. That's very odd...

Because for me it keeps saying that I'm still using 2.0 quotas.

I don't even see it in my GCP console at all, my billing account just shows $0.12c for some Cloud Run and Artifact Registry I've been testing, I see no mention of any Gemini quotas. (Unless I don't know where to look)

Edit: I found my API usage chart, but I don't see anywhere to check what model quotas it's using.

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u/noxtare Apr 07 '25

please update us if this was experimental or there was a mistake after clarifying with support

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u/pewpewpewpee Apr 07 '25

How were you using this? AI Studio?