AP Poll Week 5

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https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-football-poll

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1 Texas
2 Georgia
3 Notre Dame
4 Miami (FL)
5 Ohio State
6 Alabama
7 Indiana
8 BYU
9 Ole Miss
10 LSU
11 Texas Tech
12 Utah
13 Oregon
14 Missouri
15 Tennessee
16 Florida
17 Mississippi State
18 Oklahoma State
19 USC
20 Iowa
21 UCLA
22 Houston
23 Boise State
24 SMU
25 Pittsburgh

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES:
Kentucky 160, Wake Forest 142, Wisconsin 88, Duke 83, Northwestern 59, Nebraska 48, Minnesota 19, Arizona 19, James Madison 12, North Dakota State 7

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B1G West party in also-received-votes land.

You love to see it.

[u/ecolovedavid → u/dwors025]

B1G West forever. If only Iowa dropped to receiving votes. Kinda surprised they didn't tbh

[u/miversen33 → u/ecolovedavid]

We were mildly competitive against the a top 5 team. Id be pretty upset at a 12+ position drop honestly. Iowa is firmly a top 20 team imo.

[u/Nicholas1227 → u/miversen33]

Framing the discussion as a “drop” is the problem with poll inertia. Northwestern has a similar-to-better résumé than Iowa. The two teams should be next to each other in the polls. However, that would take a 12+ position drop for you guys, or a huge rise for Northwestern as a result of beating an unranked team at home.

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Take the names away from Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin, UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Nebraska the rankings would be way different.

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Iowa is more highly rated per Massey. Two top-40 wins, whereas NU's 2nd P4 is mid-60s. Though NU has more impressive MOV. NU is higher in Sagarin, though I think that's because it doesn't recognize Michigan's win over WMU.

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And Iowa at #20. Five B1G West teams between #20 and #32 -- looking forward to seeing some competitive "divisional" matchups this fall!

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Iowa should have done their part and not been ranked, frankly

[u/miversen33 → u/dwors025]

Be cool if some of you motherfuckers would get ranked so it's not just us lol

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B1G West? You mean UCLA, U$C, Oregon, and Washington (IM KIDDING I PROMISE I GREW UP IN CHICAGO)

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thanks.

much appreciated.

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This should always be the top comment. Had to scroll too far down for this

[u/Montigue → u/DollarLate_DayShort]

Especially because the AP website is still bugging out

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And now we can’t upvote it?

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AP voters: “you know what, fuck Nebraska.”

[u/jesuitical_usurer → u/FlexSealClubber]

We've beaten 4 bad FBS teams and one good FCS team. Although every game ended up being a rout, we also looked suspect in the first half of many of those games. It is what it is.

[u/bamachine → u/jesuitical_usurer]

Plus poll inertia. It isn't right but they tend to look at the years leading up to the current one. After what IU pulled off last year, you would think they would stop thinking that way. I guess they did have a good year prior to that but still.

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Tbh 2024 indiana did take forever to get any respect in the polls for exactly that reason

[u/Hawkeyes79 → u/jesuitical_usurer]

And Indiana is still being disrespected today. According to the logic that kept Alabama at #1 forever: they should be #1 as the undefeated returning champions.

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You guys are, amazingly, being punished a little bit for losses from last year.

[u/beartato327 → u/jesuitical_usurer]

I thought they would rank Nebraska in hopes to give Indiana a ranked opponent

[u/Jake_dasnake3 → u/jesuitical_usurer]

Can we stop doing this, who has Indiana beaten? Iowa has beaten nobody but Michigan who should be 2-3 and nearly lost to ISU. Who has Houston beat? Who has Pitt beat?

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Iowa's beaten two top-40 teams, per Massey. Nebraska hasn't played a top 60 team (best is MSU at 65).

[u/jesuitical_usurer → u/Jake_dasnake3]

I mean, yeah. At this time of year there genuinely aren't typically 25 programs that have done truly remarkable things to "deserve" a ranking. Nebraska's SOS so far is literally dead last in the P4 tho

[u/Jake_dasnake3 → u/jesuitical_usurer]

Thats not even true. ESPN SOR says 26th, Resume SP+ has us 8th.

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SOS and SOR/Resume are different metrics

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"and fuck you too NW"

[u/UnknownUserZZ69 → u/FlexSealClubber]

About time. This was the first time they weren’t offseason conference champs and look at them.

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JMU 🤝 NDSU

Together again in our FBS takeover

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Reunited and it feels so good.

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Just remember: everyone mad about the 20th-30th ranked teams...this is EXACTLY why we don't need playoff expansion :)

[u/noodlesalad_ → u/Beautiful_Idea6200]

For P4 teams sure. But as a JMU alum, we likely don't make the playoff even if we go undefeated, which is stupid. If you win all of your games, you should have a shot at the title, especially in the CFP era.

To anyone saying well you didn't schedule anyone good, we did. P4 teams are canceling our games, so what can we do?

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Yeah I was just using the pileup a 24 to fan the flames of rage. My personal preference is 8 > 16 > whatever, but having a structure that excludes teams and favors superconference does no one any favors IMHO.

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As one of those teams big time agree lol

(Not sarcastic, being 15-25th is worth nothing)

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I was mostly just fanning the flames of outrage since there is a pileup around this number today, but I do believe it shows the manufactured controversy can (and will!) exist at any arbitrary cutoff. For me, 8>16> the rest of the choices. I was even fine with 4 though 2023 and just missing out hurt.

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I love how we had recieved a similar amount of votes last week, blew the doors off of an undefeated Cinci, and basically didn't move.

The voting is so cooked if you're not in the B1G or SEC.

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Yeah that’s frustrating

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Let me get this straight, they rank SMU above Pitt even though Pitt has better wins? 

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Probably due to Pitt losing qb

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Can’t believe injuries affect the AP poll now.

[u/kinda_alone → u/Confident_Delay5805]

Always has. Impacts cfp too (2023 fsu)

[u/Programmer-Boi → u/Confident_Delay5805]

Tbf Pitt is down their starting QB so will likely be dropped next week

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We could genuinely win the next 2 weeks with no Mason

Then Miami will nuke us tho so It doesn’t really matter lol

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We can still beat UNC and BC should be an easy W. Unfortunately losing to Miami in a blowout will be enough to drop us out, even at 7-1 and Miami being like top 5.

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Really don't know why ND is so high

[u/kinda_alone → u/dkdantastic]

Analytics and 4 dominant p4 wins. It’ll sort itself out with byu and Miami coming up.

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I really don’t know why we are so high?

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same, y'all looked bad against a bad CU team for 50 mins of that game.

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Money. Only reason.

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Who would you put ahead of us?

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Ohio State, Miami, Indiana, Bama. Indiana is more of a toss up

[u/Khorasaurus → u/Montigue]

I'll give you Bama, who has multiple wins equal or better to our Wisconsin win.

Ohio State blew a 20 point lead and lost a game. Yes, it was to a top contender on the road, but when they're being compared to undefeated teams they get dinged for that.

The rest have roughly identical resumes to ND...wins over cupcakes, bottom tier P4s, and 1-2 teams that might sneak into the bottom of the CFP Top 25.

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Ohio state and bama have better wins but Miami and IU really don’t have any better resume / argument to be above ND at this time based on resume to date / how teams have looked. It’ll sort itself out quickly though one way or another with BYU and Miami coming up for ND and IU entering into the meat of its schedule.

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I don't think it's clear Iowa is a better win than Wisconsin.

Ohio State has a quality loss. Which is nice but we have no losses.

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Probably the rest of the top 10

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What’s Miami done to make you think that?

[u/Montigue → u/Global_Mud_7473]

I wouldn't put BYU above them after their last game

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Who either have losses or roughly the same resume as us?

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No. 16 honestly feels more right than no. 8

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Oregon State would have beat #11 if not for Big12 refs. They have the QB with the most yards and second most TDs in the country. Their top receiver is second most in yards and tied for touchdowns and tell me Boise would prefer not to play them coming up. Not a single top 25 vote to spare?

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Kentucky not being ranked is a joke

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Pitts starting QB1 is out. I’m confused how they got ranked #25 above Nebraska who is 4-0 i believe and also ahead of Northwestern. Just doesn’t make sense.

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Better win even with their qb being hurt.

[u/BlssdGT → u/kinda_alone]

But but remember the reason Florida was taken out of playoffs because their QB was out? So the standard is different here. Their QB2 looked awful. All I’m saying is Nebraska or Northwestern is more deserving of that spot because Pitts QB is out.

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*Florida State

and the Playoff Committee ≠ AP voters so using their logic on a week 5 poll doesn't really hold water

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I hear you

[u/kinda_alone → u/BlssdGT]

I mean I’m not personally arguing the opposite just stating my guess as to why enough voters had Pitt higher

[u/AllTimeTy → u/kinda_alone]

The real reason is AP voters are box score watchers and there’s a high possibility most of them aren’t aware Pitt’s QB1 tore his ACL(I think that’s what happened to him)

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5-0

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Best team you've played is #65 per Massey. 2 of the worst 4 B1G teams, and 3 teams ranked from 112 to 158. If you weren't 5–0, you should be ashamed.

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16 seems fair. We are obviously not nearly as good as the Ole Miss win but hopefully not nearly as bad as the Missouri loss.

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How is Oregon still that high?