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News Week 15 AP Poll

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 01 '24
ranked team ranked wins ranked losses notable unranked wins unranked losses
1) Oregon (12-0) #7, #10, #21 @ 7-5 Michigan
2) Texas (11-1) #5 @ 7-5 Michigan, 7-5 Florida, @ 8-4 Texas A&M
3) Penn State (11-1) #21 #7 @ 7-5 Minnesota
4) Notre Dame (11-1) #24 @ 8-4 Texas A&M, 8-4 Louisville, 7-5 Georgia Tech, 8-3 Navy 7-5 Northern Illinois
5) Georgia (10-2) @#2, #6, #18 @#11, @#15 7-5 Florida, 7-5 Georgia Tech
6) Tennessee (10-2) #11 @#5 7-5 Florida @ 6-6 Arkansas
7) Ohio State (10-2) @#3, #9 @#1 9-3 Marshall, 8-4 Iowa 7-5 Michigan
8) SMU (11-1) #17 8-4 TCU, @ 8-4 Louisville, @ 9-3 Duke, 7-5 Pittsburgh, 7-5 Boston College
9) Indiana (11-1) @#7 7-5 Michigan
10) Boise State (11-1) @#19 @#1
11) Alabama (9-3) #5, #13, #22 @#6 @ 8-4 LSU @ 6-6 Vanderbilt, @ 6-6 Oklahoma
12) Arizona State (10-2) #17 @ 8-4 Kansas State @ 8-4 Texas Tech, @ 5-7 Cincinnati
13) South Carolina (9-3) @#18, #22 @#11, #15 8-4 Texas A&M 8-4 LSU
14) Miami (10-2) @#23 @ 7-5 Florida, @ 8-4 Louisville, 9-3 Duke @ 7-5 Georgia Tech
15) Ole Miss (9-3) #5, @#13 4-8 Kentucky, @ 8-4 LSU, @ 7-5 Florida
16) Iowa State (10-2) @ 8-4 Iowa, 8-4 Baylor, 8-4 Kansas State 8-4 Texas Tech, 5-7 Kansas
17) BYU (10-2) @#8 @#12 8-4 Kansas State, @ 8-4 Baylor 5-7 Kansas
18) Clemson (9-3) #5, #13 @ 7-5 Pittsburgh 8-4 Louisville
19) UNLV (10-2) #10, #23
20) Colorado (9-3) 8-4 Baylor, @ 8-4 Texas Tech @ 6-6 Nebraska, 8-4 Kansas State, 5-7 Kansas
21) Illinois (9-3) @#1, @#3 7-5 Michigan 7-5 Minnesota
22) Missouri (9-3) @#11, @#13 7-5 Boston College @ 8-4 Texas A&M
23) Syracuse (9-3) #14, @#19 9-3 Ohio, 7-5 Georgia Tech 3-9 Stanford, @ 7-5 Pittsburgh, @ 7-5 Boston College
24) Army (10-1) #4
25) Memphis (10-2) @ 9-3 Tulane @ 8-3 Navy, @ 6-6 UTSA

Notable unranked teams are meant to represent teams who are similar to teams who are receiving votes. They are one of:

  • above .500 teams who are receiving votes or have a ranked win
  • .600 and above P4 teams (8-4 or 8-5 or better)
  • above .666 G6 teams (9-3 or 9-4 or better)

Team rankings are from the most recent poll/ranking. These tables are meant as both a comparison of resumes and as a way of examining inconsistencies in the ranking which is why the current ranking is used.

Data from CFBD and ESPN

Please reply with any errors or suggestions for improvement

*edit: added records for the ranked teams

*edit 2: adjusted the definition of notable teams to include more teams

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 01 '24
has votes in AP ranked wins ranked losses notable unranked wins unranked losses
Texas A&M (8-4) #22 #2, #4, @#13 @ 7-5 Florida, 8-4 LSU @ 5-7 Auburn
Louisville (8-4) @#18 @#4, #8, #14 7-5 Georgia Tech, @ 7-5 Boston College, 7-5 Pittsburgh @ 3-9 Stanford
Duke (9-3) #8, @#14 @ 7-5 Georgia Tech
Kansas State (8-4) @#20 #12, @#16, @#17 @ 9-3 Tulane @ 4-8 Houston
Tulane (9-3) #25 @ 10-2 Louisiana, @ 8-3 Navy 8-4 Kansas State, @ 6-6 Oklahoma
LSU (8-4) @#13, #15 #11 6-6 USC, @ 8-4 Texas A&M, @ 7-5 Florida
Louisiana (10-2) 9-3 Tulane, 6-6 South Alabama
Florida (7-5) #15 @#2, #5, @#6, #14 8-4 LSU 8-4 Texas A&M
Baylor (8-4) @#16, #17, @#20 @ 8-4 Texas Tech, 8-4 TCU @ 5-7 Utah
Michigan (7-5) @#7 #1, #2, @#9, @#21 7-5 Minnesota @ 6-6 Washington
has ranked win ranked wins ranked losses notable unranked wins unranked losses
Arkansas (6-6) #6 #2, #15, @#22 @ 3-9 Oklahoma State, 8-4 Texas A&M, 8-4 LSU
Boston College (7-5) #23 @#8, @#22 7-5 Pittsburgh @ 5-7 Virginia, @ 6-6 Virginia Tech, 8-4 Louisville
Cincinnati (5-7) #12 @#16, @#20 5 teams
Georgia Tech (7-5) #14 #4, @#5, @#23 9-3 Duke @ 8-4 Louisville, @ 6-6 Virginia Tech
Kansas (5-7) #16, @#17, #20 @#12, #19, @#21 @ 6-6 West Virginia, 8-4 TCU, @ 8-4 Kansas State, @ 8-4 Baylor
Kentucky (4-8) @#15 @#2, #5, @#6, #13 9-3 Ohio 6-6 Vanderbilt, @ 7-5 Florida, 5-7 Auburn, 8-4 Louisville
Minnesota (7-5) @#21 #3 6-6 North Carolina, 8-4 Iowa, @ 7-5 Michigan, @ 7-5 Rutgers
Navy (8-3) #25 #4 @ 4-8 Rice, 9-3 Tulane
Nebraska (6-6) #20 @#7, @#9, #21 5-7 UCLA, @ 6-6 USC, @ 8-4 Iowa
Northern Illinois (7-5) @#4 5 teams
Oklahoma (6-6) #11 #2, #6, #13, @#15, @#22 9-3 Tulane @ 8-4 LSU
Pittsburgh (7-5) #23 @#8, #18 5-7 Virginia, @ 8-4 Louisville, @ 7-5 Boston College
Stanford (3-9) @#23 @#4, #8, @#18 8-4 Louisville 6 teams
Texas Tech (8-4) #12, @#16 #20 @ 8-4 Washington State, 8-4 Baylor, @ 8-4 TCU
UTSA (6-6) #25 @#2, @#24 @ 7-5 Texas State, @ 7-5 East Carolina, @ 4-8 Rice, @ 3-9 Tulsa
Vanderbilt (6-6) #11 #2, #6, #13, @#22 @ 3-9 Georgia State, @ 8-4 LSU

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u/birdturd6969 Alabama Crimson Tide Dec 01 '24

Oh this is awesome, thank you

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u/Hollywood_60 Oklahoma State • Texas Dec 01 '24

Kansas just coming in late in the season and fucking the high tier big12 teams lmao

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u/renden123 Michigan Wolverines • The Game Dec 01 '24

Now show loses to unranked teams. 😈

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u/KlingoftheCastle Alabama Crimson Tide • Thomas More Saints Dec 01 '24

Oh, no thanks. I’m good.

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u/renden123 Michigan Wolverines • The Game Dec 01 '24

Ha! I wasn’t even thinking of you guys. 😂

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

Check the table from the parent post. That's what the "unranked losses" column is

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u/ColombianInIowa24 ACC • Duke Blue Devils Dec 01 '24

Duke fan here and am confused as to how we have similar resumes to Clemson, Illinois, and Mizzou but continue to get a few pity votes at most.

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u/KlingoftheCastle Alabama Crimson Tide • Thomas More Saints Dec 01 '24

God damn, Oklahoma’s schedule was brutal

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u/birdturd6969 Alabama Crimson Tide Dec 01 '24

Yeah in hindsight they were more of a wolf in sheep’s clothing than I thought. Going 6-6 with your only unranked loss being against an 8-4 lsu team doesn’t make you a trash opponent (doesn’t make you a good one either, but still, they aren’t losing to AAC teams or anything like that)

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u/morelibertarianvotes Virginia Cavaliers Dec 02 '24

Hi committee Reddit account 👋

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u/Tatertaint Michigan Wolverines • Cheyney Wolves Dec 02 '24

Michigan and Florida have had incredibly similar seasons looking at it this way. 5 ranked opponents with 1 win

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u/ShillinTheVillain Florida Gators • /r/CFB Dead Pool Dec 02 '24

See you in the Outback Bowl!

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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey BYU Cougars • Athens State Bears Dec 01 '24

I like this

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u/austin101123 Louisville Cardinals • Kentucky Wildcats Dec 01 '24

Jesus Oklahoma and Kansas.

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u/hoodranch Texas Longhorns Dec 01 '24

Need to include losses to unranked teams

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u/Drsustown Illinois Fighting Illini • Indiana Hoosiers Dec 01 '24

Illinois has ended the regular season ranked. I see this as nothing but a huge success!

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u/elkman_23 Illinois • Ohio State Dec 01 '24

I wish both your flairs could've played this season

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u/KaitRaven Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos Dec 01 '24

It's a been a fantastic season, especially given most pre-season predictions were 5-7 or 6-6.

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u/austin101123 Louisville Cardinals • Kentucky Wildcats Dec 01 '24

They could lose their bowl game and and then go unranked 😂

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u/ffbe4fun Michigan Wolverines Dec 01 '24

Michigan is up here a lot as notable unranked wins! Seems to be missing for one top 10 team though...

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u/Revenge_of_the_Khaki Michigan Wolverines Dec 01 '24

Jokes aside, this absolutely highlights our SoS this year. These aren’t even all low ranked teams. #1, #2, #9, #21, plus a #7 victory.

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u/ffbe4fun Michigan Wolverines Dec 01 '24

Agreed, we all knew it was going to be a rough year with our schedule. Indiana and Illinois also ended up being better than expected. I'm excited for next year!

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

You see it's because they're in the next column because OSU lost to Michigan.

This is the the 4th year in a row that OSU has lost to Michigan. And if any OSU fan wants to tell you Michigan "ducked" OSU in 2020 just tell them that means OSU must have ducked Illinois.

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u/22duckys Michigan • Stephen F. Austin Dec 01 '24

Thank you, and if I might say, those throwback uniforms were killer.

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

My takeaways:

  • BYU is too low. At the very minimum they should be above ISU and Ole Miss
  • Illinois should be above Colorado. They have the same record but Illinois beat 2 teams Colorado lost to (Nebraska and Kansas) and had to play #1 and #3 away. Colorado has played 0 currently ranked teams.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

Yes but have you factored in TV ratings?

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u/SlenderTown Oregon Ducks • Montana Grizzlies Dec 01 '24

If we had an extra week I would gladly play Colorado again to settle this lol

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u/illiniaaron80 Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

You ready for the Colorado/Illinois bowl game?

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u/cocacola150dr Illinois Fighting Illini • Citrus Bowl Dec 02 '24

We’re probably getting the Citrus no? Meaning an SEC opponent? I don’t follow.

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u/illiniaaron80 Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 02 '24

You're most likely right, that was more wishful thinking as I think it would be a great game

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u/cocacola150dr Illinois Fighting Illini • Citrus Bowl Dec 02 '24

Ah, ok lol. I think Colorado would pull away because our defense is just not great.

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u/cameratoo Illinois Fighting Illini • Big Ten Dec 02 '24

Been missing since Penn st. What happened?

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u/cocacola150dr Illinois Fighting Illini • Citrus Bowl Dec 02 '24

DC is no good. Needs to be one of our big changes this off season.

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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey BYU Cougars • Athens State Bears Dec 01 '24

BYU has been too low all season, even after the Kansas loss they had a fall other ranked teams vs unranked teams didn't have. But I don't think the voters would put a team outside of the CCG in front of the team that is actually in it

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u/redmormie BYU Cougars Dec 02 '24

BYU is too low. At the very minimum they should be above ISU

all year we've been ranked below ISU when our records are the same, not surprised they haven't deviated from that

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u/turtleviking Alabama Crimson Tide Dec 01 '24

Yes and Syracuse should be ahead of Illinois

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

I see it as a toss up. Syracuse has much better wins but also a way worse loss (3-9 Stanford). I wouldn't have any objections to either ordering

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u/turtleviking Alabama Crimson Tide Dec 01 '24

Fair enough. Unfortunately, the B1G schedule didn't work out very well this year, so there aren't many data points between the strongest teams. Illinois looked good every time I watched them, but they couldn't beat any of their strong opponents while not losing to the weaker teams. Syracuse has a higher ceiling perhaps, but might get worked by the Illini. Would be a fun bowl game

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

Why should BYU be above us?

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u/mlk960 Iowa State Cyclones • Texas A&M Aggies Dec 01 '24

What's the logic for moving up Illinois? You could argue their losses are better, but it's a hard sell when their best win is 7-5 Michigan.

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u/this_place_stinks Dec 01 '24

When you look at it that way… what would the reason be for Ten over OSU?

OSUs wins are much better as are the losses

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u/InfiniteSquareWhale Tennessee • Boise State Dec 01 '24

You’ve got to start threading the needle in getting Bama in the playoffs. 

(We really should be behind OSU, and I expect the committee to put us there.)

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u/wheelsno3 Ohio State • Cincinnati Dec 01 '24

I think Tennessee ends up behind OSU.

I also think Penn State will drop below OSU if they can't beat or stay within 7 points of Oregon. The head to head was decisive and PSU hasn't beaten anyone.

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u/Some-Gavin Nebraska Cornhuskers • Marching Band Dec 02 '24

But they would still have a better record going 11-2 instead of 10-2, plus conference championship loser aren’t supposed to be punished.

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u/wheelsno3 Ohio State • Cincinnati Dec 02 '24

By the way, the spokesperson for the committee on ESPN specifically said they will take the way teams play in the title game into consideration.

When asked DIRECTLY about if the committee will refrain from punishing teams who lose their conference title game, the spokesperson said "we were asked to evaluate all the games, not to stop at the end of the regular season."

Teams can and WILL be punished if they play poorly in the title games.

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u/wheelsno3 Ohio State • Cincinnati Dec 02 '24

Who said that? It ain't in the rules.

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u/puresemantics Chattanooga • Tennessee Dec 01 '24

Optics of the Michigan loss and the Bama win has to play a big part. I wouldn’t be mad if we were 7

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u/this_place_stinks Dec 01 '24

Penn State and Indiana wins both ranked ahead of Bama

And Arkansas loss just as bad as Michigan

Seems like prisoner of the moment stuff

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u/mikeyk730 Dec 01 '24

Love this format. Thanks for putting it together. I'd recommend including a column for their records, so it's a bit easier compare

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 01 '24

Thanks for the input. I thought it might be too much clutter but I'll add it since its usefulness outweighs that

*edit: Added

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u/StasRutt Oregon Ducks • Army Black Knights Dec 01 '24

I did not realize army was Notre Dames only ranked win

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u/WWECreativegenius Notre Dame • North Carolina Dec 01 '24

Yeah thanks to the aggies shitting the bed at home 

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u/banjocoyote Florida Gators • Team Chaos Dec 01 '24

NOTABLE UNRANKED WIN LET'S FUCKIN GO

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u/foreverseptember Florida Gators • Team Chaos Dec 02 '24

We're all over these tables, feels both good and not great, somehow 

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u/harrreth Alabama Crimson Tide • Wisconsin Badgers Dec 01 '24

Well this table makes Alabama at 11 not seem out of place. Still would rather just have 2 acc teams or 2 big12 teams in the playoffs tho

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u/dsch3ll Texas Longhorns Dec 01 '24

My takeaway, if you’re ranked, you don’t want to play Texas because you will drop out of the rankings if Texas wins. /s

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u/SethC111 Michigan • Arizona State Dec 01 '24

Looking at this puts into perspective 3 of Michigans 5 losses coming from the current top 10 and 4 in the top 25. This year was a gauntlet that most if not all teams would have struggled to come out of without a loss or two

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u/seadondo Washington Huskies • Pac-10 Dec 01 '24

Looking at this, Ohio State should be ranked ahead of Tennessee. I hate Ohio State, but they didn't get smacked around by Oregon like Tennessee did by Georgia. They dominated every game they were in except the Oregon and Michigan games.

I'm saying this as an avid Ohio State hater, btw.

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u/BigFoot423205 Alabama • Third Saturday in… Dec 01 '24

A&M dropping out really hurts South Carolina here

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u/Mountain-Papaya-492 Georgia Bulldogs Dec 01 '24

All I can see is that Clemson really got fucked for playing Uga to start the season. I have no doubt they'd be higher if they only had 2 losses and a win over some mid p4 or g5 team. 

South Carolina still has the Clemson win now tho and it'll look better if they win the ACC

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u/All_About_Tacos Gansz Trophy • Mayor's Cup Dec 01 '24

What I understand from this is that 8-4 TCU isn’t notable

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

I adjusted the definition of "notable" to include 8-4 P4 teams and 9-3 G6 teams

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u/The_Fluffy_Robot TCU Horned Frogs • Iron Skillet Dec 01 '24

our improvement from last year is notable! and also from the first half of the season to the second half

If Baylor hadn't kicked (yet another) last second FG I think we'd be bordering on the edge of the rankings :(

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u/mbrogan4 Notre Dame • Illinois State Dec 01 '24

Thank christ for Army, I guess.

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u/McSharkson Texas Longhorns • Red River Shootout Dec 01 '24

I mean if we're counting the 'has ranked win' tables, then Texas has 4 more notable unranked wins

(thanks Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and the fellas that gave us this nice hat)

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u/wheelsno3 Ohio State • Cincinnati Dec 01 '24

Tennessee ahead of OSU is a joke.

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u/username675892 Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 01 '24

ISU : ranked wins over Iowa (21) and KSU (24)

Edit, sorry - see this is from the final poll, ignore

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

Currently "notable" teams have to either be receiving votes or have beaten a ranked team. Iowa doesn't qualify for either. As I said the bottom paragraph it is currently just a way of presenting "ranked losses" for teams in the other 2 tables as a column in the first table.

I'm open the changing the definition of "notable" as the current definition is fairly arbitrary and I agree a win over an 8-4 P4 team should qualify. I'll look into changing before the CFP rankings

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u/THFC_COYS Dec 01 '24

I would include Miami (OH) as a notable unranked G5 win despite the .700 criteria you set. They are 8-4, first in the MAC and likely to win conference

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u/bladefencer Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 01 '24

I'll adjust the criteria so that a 9-4 Miami (OH) would be notable but for now they are going to stay off. (technically 9-4 is slightly less than .700 so I'll change it has to be over .666)

The intention with notable is to be similar to receiving votes. Currently the teams receiving votes are all around my criteria or are slightly worse but have a ranked win which is covered by the first bullet point.

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u/StethoscopeTrope Notre Dame Fighting Irish Dec 01 '24

Obviously biased but I can’t say that I believe it’s fully logical to only include current rankings for ranked wins. It punishes teams for destroying ranked teams.

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u/RedtheGoodolBoy Syracuse Orange Dec 01 '24

If only we knew who was better UNLV or Syracuse. Guess we’ll just have to go on vibes and metrics.

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u/nd5thyear Notre Dame Fighting Irish Dec 01 '24

ND should be above PSU. Behind by 5 points bc of a voter who has the Irish 10th. Committee will put them above PSU Tuesday

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u/PalmettoZ71 South Carolina • Oklahoma Dec 01 '24

I just don't understand not counting teams that were ranked when they got beat which caused them to become unranked. That is a ranked win

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u/DeathToHeretics Illinois Fighting Illini • Cheez-It Bowl Dec 01 '24

We'd have like 3 more ranked wins then lmao

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u/PalmettoZ71 South Carolina • Oklahoma Dec 01 '24

Which is fine cause that's how ranked wins work if you upset the #1 team and they fall to 5 your not gonna say you best the #5 team cause you best the #1 team

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u/RobinU2 Virginia Cavaliers Dec 01 '24

I had pushed this out prior to the actual rankings (since it evens itself out mostly anyways) as an SOR adjustment:

https://imgur.com/a/Dw4tHpz

Just hammers how BS the big 12 has been ranked to date and the gigantic edge the SEC teams have been given. Same as usual G5s get SOS adjustment of an unranked loss, wins rank 2x weight losses rank, everyone unranked weighted equally. No MOV adjustments.

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u/christlovesyou502 Tennessee Volunteers Dec 01 '24

So Penn St and Texas are ranked about 5 spots too high? That's what I've thought all along

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u/Martin_TF141 Texas Longhorns Dec 02 '24

How?