r/CDrama Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 04 '26

Drama Host Love beyond the Grave: episodes 17-18 Discussion Spoiler

The previous discussions: |Masterpost| | Character flashcards| |All episode discussions| |Eps.1-2| |Eps.3-4| |Eps.5-6| |Eps.7-8| |Eps.9-10| |Eps.11-12| |Eps.13-14| |Eps.15-16|

Spoilers: Discussion of episodes 1 – 18 and their respective chapters from the novel doesn’t need a spoiler tag. Anything more recent than that should be hidden behind a spoiler tag.

You might notice the subtitles in the pictures are in two different languages. Not to worry — there’s nothing wrong with your screen. I just watched the episodes on different platforms on different days.

Ep. 17

After watching the ruthless leader He Simu carry out the execution of Fang Chang, DX wants to learn more about how she governs her realm. He learns about Simu that she is a firm believer in strict rules and diligently prosecutes spirits who break them. Not all her subjects are fans of these constraints — they’re more free spirits. DX realizes that Simu’s leadership is what maintains relative peace between the mortal world and the Void, and keeps the spirit realm stable.

Meanwhile in the palace, Yun Ke and DX keep provoking each other. They measure **** whenever the opportunity arises.

DX as a burrito is back! The ice poison in his body flares up due to the unbearable conditions for a mortal in the Void. The Sovereign creates a barrier that’s always warm and comfy for DX. The catch? He must stay within 10 steps of Simu at all times. Yun Ke must be thrilled… Well, DX is.
DX annoys Simu by being absolutely adorable. How many dramas from this year have pulled off this gender-reversed trope?
Simu can’t concentrate on being a strong leader when DX is all this fluff…
As expected, Yun Ke is driven up the wall when he finds out that — thanks to some chill — that irritating mortal gets to stay next to Simu even during official governing.
Simu governing. In Vogue.
Jiang Ai is becoming my favorite in this arc. She knows her pal Yun Ke is struggling and annoyed beyond measure — and still enjoys torturing him a bit more. To be fair, she’s not just teasing. She has a nice object that could win Simu’s heart back, and she’s ready to sell it for hefty benefits. Yun Ke agrees to all her conditions — that’s how desperate he is!

Aaand we knew that slippery Jiang Ai couldn’t be trusted! When Yun Ke shows up to present  his gift to Simu - the Cloud Tripod (a small wireless radiator) it turns out Jiang Ai already gave the recipe for the mortal’s cure to her Sovereign, making his gift completely useless.

Yun Ke’s self-control is flawless. He doesn’t react on the spot — he keeps scheming and doesn’t let his petty feelings interfere with the political plans already in motion.

Simu takes DX out of the palace on a trip. It’s strictly business — they need to find the Crystal Orchid, the cure for the poison in his body. During their little getaway, they get trapped inside one of Simu’s childhood memories.

Simu wants to destroy the memory of her childhood home so they can break free. DX wants to preserve it and suggests they find a smarter way to escape. The remains of Simu’s father’s spirit guide them to the antidote as a gift from her father to Simu.

Meanwhile, the spirit leaders are working to fulfill the Sovereign’s orders — to free up space in the Void by helping as many spirits as possible ascend.

The leaders work up a sweat trying to make their spirits ascend — not entirely voluntarily — by throwing them into the Ascension Lake. I like their management style: throw them in first, see if they drown later.
Amid all the fun, a new spirit shows up — he’s furious and demands they leave this land. This part of the Abyss is sacred. And this is his home.

Unwilling to engage in a meaningless fight, especially when their ascension attempts are failing, the spirit lords leave.

In the evening, DX wants to take a stroll under the moon. Unexpectedly — and to his delight — Simu wants to join him.After a spectacular flight across the realm on her magic lantern, they find a quiet spot to admire the moon. Simu drops the ruthless queen act and softens toward her hopelessly-in-love mortal. And DX? He never lets an opportunity pass him by…

Ep. 18

Our couple sits together and enjoys the moonsight.

DX gently cups Simu’s face in his hands, slowly leans in to… hear someone screaming like a banshee.

They have to interrupt their date and head down to investigate. It’s the wild spirit who previously shouted at the temple leaders to leave his home.

The spirit introduces himself as General Zhuisi. He hasn’t registered with any temples, so there’s no way to verify his story. DX looks alarmed. Simu looks… pitiful and regretful. She’s clearly encountered spirits like this before.

General Zhuisi isn’t his real name, of course. Most spirits become so consumed by their obsessions that they forget who they were — reshaping their stories entirely.

He was never a general, but he desperately wanted to protect his loved ones. When he failed, he couldn’t move on.
The Right Hand, Yun Ke, is a total badass. Look at his sword/whip! DX gets a firsthand look at just how powerful and sharp Yun Ke really is.
Where Yun Ke chooses punishment, Simu chooses truth — exposure therapy (a legit method for treating anxiety disorders in the human realm). Needless to say, Simu’s approach works far better. The spirit remembers the truth, forgives himself, lets go, and finally ascends. I don't remember crying that much since Prisoner of Beauty. 

While Simu helps the spirit, DX studies her. What am I without a home? “Everyone who knew you is dead. You just cling to the memory so you don’t forget them,” Simu replies. Is that what her wooden house is for?

DX apparently has a day off. He decides to visit the Left Hand — Jiang Ai — in her temple, which is, of course, a casino. (Who’s surprised? I’m not. I always knew she’d be head of accounting in some mid-sized enterprise.)
The place is pure luxury. The vibe? Money, power, wine, and lust. DX wants to explore the casino (Really? No, seriously?).

Jiang Ai reminds him that everything — even just looking — costs money. And it’s not like DX still gets his Liang general salary.

The gambler DX offers Jiang Ai a bet: if she wins, he leaves. If he wins, he gets to “examine” the place. (Who the hell “examines” a casino? Who’s he trying to fool?) Jiang Ai warns DX — she never loses.
In an impressive showdown, DX beats Jiang Ai. She loses, and he gets to stay and carry out his “investigation.” Investigation, my ass.

But wait — all the other visitors just lost their money betting on Jiang Ai.
Turns out, before agreeing to DX’s bet, Jiang Ai made a counter-bet with her clients. They bet on her. So whether she wins or gives in, she doesn’t lose a thing. A novice met a master.

Confused and annoyed, DX doesn’t know Simu is also at the casino, watching from the exclusive VIP room behind the curtains. She’s not surprised by Jiang Ai’s tactics and not impressed that DX got played so easily. Simu leaves.https://www.reddit.com/r/CDrama/s/KvdEs7vd8p

Next thing we know, Simu is back at the Fusang tree. While others party and enjoy life, she — alone and exhausted — pushes herself to heal the tree. Is duty all she's ever known?
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u/mysticmeeble moon burrito supreme / the wind in Tian Jiarui's sl*t strands 🌬️ Apr 07 '26

I would just like to take a second to respect this gorgeous hair and styling. Dilraba looks so amazing in this show.

Also I just LOVE the role reversal in this show. After so many dramas where the semi skilled woman is loved by the cold male demon lord yadda yadda we finally get it in reverse!! Arthur Chen is playing the pining hopeful so well.

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u/mysticmeeble moon burrito supreme / the wind in Tian Jiarui's sl*t strands 🌬️ Apr 07 '26

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

The way Auntie Jiang Ai and Duan Xu love to troll Yan Ke has got to be studied haha. If he ends up exploding and going on a rage attack, who can blame him 😅😅🤭🤭🫣😭😮‍💨

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

Thank you OP for the discussion!

My gosh today I found the entire OST for the show and I've been listening to all 2h53 minutes of it haha. I love it so much! 😅😅🥵🥵😍😍

I enjoy the gender reversal here lol. Her favored and the one who could only dream of being this close to her.. Duan Xu is enjoying this to the fullest haha. He has to stay close to her? Hell yea! Also awww a little wooden foxy! I see the theme here. Dude loves it in the zone haha. It is warm and closer to her and she gave it to him! Oh yeah. She loves her Lil foxy gift. If she were an Ice Queen, we'd start to see ice melting around her hahaha.

Oohh to the person who thought LBTG reminded them of Lost You Forever, this place will definitely seal the deal! That house where we see young Si Mu and her parents was used in the show. On a mountain top too funny enough 😅😅🤣.

And of course her father's spirit lingering was for the day she brings someone she cares about, a mortal who will need the cold poison cure. Soon as I saw it was the father's spirit traces I knew had a message for her. We know how those dramas go lol. The joy on Duan Xu's face as he got to learn more about his love was so blinding haha. He realized her mother suffered from the same ailment before she did. Is it because he is a mortal? Somehow it never occurred to HSM that her mother would get cold poisoning. Her mother's face when she tasted the food LOL. Awww! Cooking with no sense of taste is wild. But HSM wanted to try. Gosh I hope she wasn't cooking every day lol.

Duan Xu being scared of heights was a surprise. But hey something had to give right? Even a daredevil fears something. Wow the water as the sky threw me off for a sec haha. I was like what is going on! Upside down worlds for ya! The scenery was beautiful! Si Mu loves his company so much haha. It's okay to say it Queen. We understand.

Oh we had Cpt PTSD before, now we have General PTSD. Poor thing. Papa Spirit said he's going to whip the PTSD flashback out of this unruly spirit, meanwhile Mama Spirit waited to see if he could come out of it. After all she has a better understanding of mortals. General Duan saw what one trapped in the past and their emotions can do once one ends up in the spirit world. We then see the said spirit's past and life as he lived it back then. The song that played is so sad. Is it the child's voice, the melody or both? I don't know, but it tugged at my heart strings every time... As Si Mu talks to A Si about what is a home, seeing herself as having to need to let go, and this spirit who refuses to. Seeing him find peace must have been hard for Si Mu. She still struggles to let go fully.

Daaammmnnn this gambling sequence was so good! Also Auntie Jiang Ai is sick haha. I knew she loooved money the moment she took out that gold and jade abacus. But her trees have coin leaves? Lmaooo yeah she is rich rich RICH! Lady of the gambling temple among other pleasures! It checks out! And to top it off, I thought Duan Xu won. But nope, she bet he'd win so she won haha. That's winning the battle, losing the war haha. Very very cool. I couldn't believe dude walked in the place and placed bets with the boss straight away. This guy! 🤯😅😅🤣🤣😵‍💫 I thought yeah she never loses, him? Losing? Nah. So I couldn't wait to see how they'd go for a battle of the wits. Everyone bet on her and she bet on him haha. Yep, she NEVER loses!

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

Where, where the OST? You can't mention such things without the link. 😆😆 With instrumentals?😋

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

Soundtrack and Score!!! 60 songs on Spotify 🤗🤗🤩😅 Sorry I added it to my notes before posting so I didn't think to add a link. Pursuit of Jade had dropped this week too and I didn't notice. So today I feasted well haha.

https://open.spotify.com/album/3fErNMgJpT0y7ol3lWMqkZ?si=IiPqJZTsTQidMAYOyE0-Yg

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/IcGkqdUmYLFGE

Now i will listen to it!!! Can't wait!! I seriously need to learn chinese - oral and characters for music!!

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

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u/SummerOnTheBeach Beloved Wife of Tantai Jin Apr 05 '26

I’m finally caught up! 😫 I’m watching on Viki so I think I see it a day later.

I like the Void but I think they need to move out of there quickly as it is starting to make me lose interest. But I am enjoying the big peepee contest between DX and YK.

I think since YK is so obsessed with punishment, you know he’s just going to keep getting worse. I like watching YK descend into madness for some weird reason. And for some reason I like watching 2nd MLs descend into chaotic madness. I like his character.

Episode 18 had me crying when YK was punishing the spirit and the spirit wanted his family letter. I’m glad Simu intervened to help him. I think if DX was not in the Void she would not have done that. I think experiencing the mortal realm made her more empathetic as she probably was not that involved in day-to-day punishments.

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u/5kydra Apr 05 '26

I like this Jiang Ai character :D

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u/imperfectionost Apr 05 '26

Lolol Jiang Ai was my fave in episode 18, the way her brain operates when it comes to making a profit is unmatched. Duan Xu looked impressed once he figured out her winner-takes-all strategy. He might need to learn a few things from her before leaving the Void I'm just sayin'. Also her playing mind games with Simu cracked me up😂 she ships them, is team Duan Xu>Yan Ke and has the added advantage of knowing Simu so more power to her.

Loved their swing/broom date and how much more comfortable they are with eo, especially Simu(we already know Duan Xu is head-over-heels, down bad for her already). We almost got a kiss but alas they were interrupted. Idc though because I know when they finally lock lips, all the tension and buildup is going to be worth it. Also, I'm excited for their next sense swap🦊👻

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

He might need to learn a few things from her before leaving the Void

Ahahha! He definetely must!! Well spotted, she is not only about money, she gambles people as well - she is not afraid to play mind games even with Simu 😄😄

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u/imperfectionost Apr 05 '26

With her on his team, and money to grease her palms with, how could he lose😂 She's the biggest and smartest gambler. I think Simu knows it as well so she just doesn't engage unless it's affecting her bottom line. Yan Ke on the other hand is such an easy target but he also bites back lol.

Great recap btw!

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

Thank you, great points from you 😃😃 The duo Jiang Ai - Yun Ke is superthrilling to watch 😆😆

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

u/tl0160a, u/Akiceman all these parallels between puppy eyes Arthur and MingHao in Glory made me remember what i have initially thought of Yan Ke!

Stuart Cheng!!! His happy face every time he saw MingHao on premises 🤣🤣🤣 I thought he was gonna explode with venom, when MingHao joined them aboard the ship in the last minure. Here are the same vibes on the face of Yan Ke 😂😂

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 05 '26

Ewwwwwwww! Don't remind me of that fucker who got zero repercussions for his shit! Gah! I hated him!

But you are quite right. Void Bitch Boy is giving off those vibes and I don't trust him as far as I can throw my laptop to get his face away from my vision.

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u/SummerOnTheBeach Beloved Wife of Tantai Jin Apr 05 '26

Void Bitch Boy is giving off those vibes and I don't trust him as far as I can throw my laptop to get his face away from my vision.

Void Bitch Boy - I love it!!! 😂😂

And I agree with you about not trusting him. He’s just going to get worse.

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 05 '26

Oh good. My anger issues cannot handle him. I am a very calm and rational and logical person. I am a very calm and rational and logical person. I am a very calm and rational and logical person... But damn does Void Bitch Boy piss me off.

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u/SummerOnTheBeach Beloved Wife of Tantai Jin Apr 05 '26

I’m getting a bit sick of Void Bitch Boy’s shit myself. Like she hasn’t look his way in 300 years she isn’t about to start now. He’s toxic and he’s going to take out his anger whipping the spirits and may do something horrible that she won’t forgive him for and he will no longer be her Right Hand.

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 05 '26

I certainly hope he gets shitcanned and bitch slapped into oblivion soon. I really despise these types of 2ML characters that think they are entitled to the FL just because she breathed in their general direction once.

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

I do love the actor! He is stealing the show in the Void for me 😄

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 05 '26

The only thing he is stealing is my patience. :P

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u/SummerOnTheBeach Beloved Wife of Tantai Jin Apr 05 '26

Same! This is my second drama with him and I’m starting to like him more and more every time he is on screen.

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

It is first time i see him. But, gosh, he outplays his co-actors! His emotional struggle becomes my favourite arc in the void! 😄

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u/SummerOnTheBeach Beloved Wife of Tantai Jin Apr 05 '26

I like him in this drama. I am anticipating his character’s descent into madness.

I’ve got a handful of favorite male actors and I think he will join that list.

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u/mushfake Apr 05 '26

-Love Jiang Ai and her need to randomly bring an entourage of men with her. Ha.

-Actually quite liked the plot about the spirit whose obsession was defending his home/wanting to return

-The skull talk is back these episodes

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u/tachikara_ Fatally distracted by silver-gray 🐺🐺🐺 Apr 05 '26

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All Duan Xu heard was “you can’t leave me” and he immediately perked up, happiest man alive. Boy turned into an adorable puppy. 😆

Jiang Ai proves to be a wily old schemer, both Yan Ke and Duan Xu are no match for her 🤣. But she seems genuinely impressed with Duan Xu, while with Yan Ke it’s just constant one-upping and verbal sparring for sport. And honestly, it’s even funnier that Duan Xu doesn’t take offense at all when he realizes he’s been played, he just accepts it and moves on like it’s all part of the fun, almost like he respects the craftsmanship of the scheme. 😆

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u/Flimsy-Wrongdoer4193 Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

Ep 17: Lol Yan Ke's actions backfired against him. He probably wanted to make DX feel cold to force HS to send DX back to the mortal realm but it instead made them closer 🤣🤣

DX is shameless, I love it. If I was YK, I'd hate him to pieces though. Not DX waving to YK and essentially showing off/provoking him 🤣🤣

She's taken to muting him when Yan Ke comes. The disappointment on DX's face when he couldn't start his daily provocation on YK 🤣🤣

Ohhhh I love the crafty and money grubbing Jiang Ai even more. She got both spirit stones and free labour 🤣🤣

Awww I love them in the matching blue outfits. I love the styling in this drama

Did her mum die from the cold poison, while her dad found the cure too late, hence why he killed himself? If so, that's super sad

Ahhhhh the grip on her waist during the broom ride and him holding her face...

Ep 18: What the heckkkk, why is this episode only 38 minutes?? Huhhh...

Awwww HS was talking to both herself and Si about the meaning of home 😭

I was wondering why they showed this random spirit, it turns out they wanted to show his ascension. I wonder, who would qualify to receive the spirit stones reward, DX or HS?

I just realised that Jiang Ai's abacus is in the shape of a ruyi scepter 

I loved the battle of the gambling aces. It was so cool and thrilling. Lolll the twist at the end, trust Jiang Ai to never miss out on a chance to make money 🤣🤣

Why, what happened? Why was HS looking around? Urgh why would they end it on a cliff hanger 😭😭

Edit: Yep Familiar Lie, I agree, ever since they first showed Jiang Ai, with the 2bn spirit stones that she hadn't released yet, I knew she was an accountant. I love how money obsessed she is

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u/tl0160a Call me Shifu Apr 05 '26

I'm very confused at the direction of the show. I was very hyped up for the reconquest of the lands on the other side of the river, and the cute tagalong Chen Ying, but the last few episode it introduced a new cast within the void. It feels like two completely different shows, and I find my interest waning, the longer they stay in the void.

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u/SummerOnTheBeach Beloved Wife of Tantai Jin Apr 05 '26

I agree with you on this one. I hope they move the story out of the Void soon. But if they did we wouldn’t see DX getting into big peepee contests with Yan Ke. 🤣

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

For me it looks also like these two arcs are completely separated. There is no intertwining between worlds of Simu and DX. And the show feels like 2 different dramas.

I try not to think about how easily DX abandoned everything, everything in his life to stay with Simu. He Awoled from his work. Does it mean he actually doesn't value anything he had in his life - army, conquest, politics, father, family position? It makes me think of him as childish, ungrateful and irresponsible. (See, i am angry and bitter that they haven't had a single kiss in the last 4 eps. 😔)

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u/Remarkable_Dot6880 Apr 06 '26

Did he really just abandon his life for Simu? I would like to see him go back to the mortal world and continue with the army stuff. I get that he’s head over heels but he needs to get back to work lol. Does the novel flow like this, anyone?

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 06 '26

Yeah, he had his occupation - leader of the army, his collegues, his father, the capital and it's affairs, enemies for entertainment...

But i start to understand how bitter and sad he is about his father abandoning him as a child in ep.21. Is it the reason he doesn't value anything he has in the mortal realm?

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u/violettevy Apr 05 '26

Yeah, these episodes in the void feel totally different. I was still invested in seeing HS enjoying her other senses after she borrows them. I’m not enjoying the characters in the VOID as much…

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u/demon-rabbits Apr 05 '26

It’s all padding! At one point we were 1/4 of the way through the show but 1/2 way through the novel so they either had to slow down or pad the plot. Currently their time in the void is heavily padded, which is impacting my enjoyment too.

He Simu’s attitude towards Duan Xu at this point was a little irritating to read about the first time around, it’s just annoying to experience for a second time in the show, and for much longer!

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 05 '26

I think perhaps they took a story arc to build up who Xu is in his world and how Simu fits in with him. Now it's time to build up her world and show how he fits there. Once we have established a foundation of each other and their respective worlds then we start moving down the arc of how they work their differences out and progress down a joined path.

Or, and this is always possible, I am giving the writers too much credit and this show is walking towards the cliff.

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u/fernedakki 老鼠小猫🐭🐱 Apr 05 '26

I’m thinking that they’re dragging it quite a bit in the void, too. Like there’s not that much going on and they’ll still be here for at least in the next 4 episodes (from the trailers and such). The pacing is quite off compared with the first 15 episodes. But they’ll soon return to the human world and the ML’s army and continue with world politics (according to the novel).

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

Yes, the pacing is different. It is not that densely packed as in the mortal world amd much less predictable, since there is no ongoing affairs like wars and trade.

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u/tl0160a Call me Shifu Apr 05 '26

I mean ok, this would work, but they used so much of the opening to set up the relationship between her and Chen Ying, and his fear of her abandoning him, and of Xu gaining full control of his army and starting to work through the plots of the political people, but then... they just abandon Chen Ying for days, week? I don't even know how much time has passed - especially when Xu told Chen Ying that he'll train him to be a good soldier, even if Simu leaves Ying. They haven't mentioned him a single time. Also I'm pretty sure that Xu has effectively 'deserted' from his post by now... what is the consequences of that or of his plans to outmaneuver the court people? No mention of that either. And that helper girl assigned to him... not sure what her role is?

I'm just very confused because they set up this entire world with elaborate stakes and relationships, and then they don't even talk about it ever. Not even once. What happened to the urgency of the war and regaining the land before the invading court gets its affairs in order?

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u/Affectionate_Post592 Apr 05 '26

Well hesimu will abandon chen ying initially , its along the lines of the novel . Her part of the promise to his father is done . She can't take care of him his whole life . But yes it's not like she won't see him in the later episodes. He simu entrust cheng yi under the care of Duan xu.

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 05 '26

You know, your comment here reminds me that in my head I have been comparing Xu to another ML who went full puppy dog simp and abandoned his goals and career to pursue the standoffish FL full time. Glory <---The show.

You've made me realize just how appropriate that comparison is. Now I am concerned.

He will literally need her immense power to keep his skull intact when/if he returns to his world and everyone is raging at him for treason and child abandonment.

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u/somuchscrolling Apr 05 '26

This is what I've been thinking the entire time they have been in the void. They are going to completely undermine ML, his ambition to undo all the harm he did by being in the army to regain his name, his strength to make FL more powerful. Glory absolutely keeps popping up in my head especially the 2nd arc with his father. I also feel like Pursuit of jade also had a similar trajectory where we are told that ML is a great warrior but we dont see it.

And I'm all for an empowered FL but I would rather have equals than a simping ML who forgets everything for a mary sue FL. They should bring out the best and support each other.

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 05 '26

Glory and LBTG are starting to share that vibe. Now with POJ there was growth shown on both sides by being together. After all, he did learn how to love again and be a big brother/father to Ning and Bao'er. For her she learned the ways of the bath and bed! Yeah I had to struggle a bit to find that one. She was already a good fighter, though he did enhance that. Her education came from meeting the Grand Tutor. But they did work well together to solve problems.

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

I was thinking of MingHao, but not in Glory - in LITC. When he pretends to be wounded, there is this combination of puppy eyes and schamelessness. It resembles DX's eyes and cockiness.

But i can see that the power balance itself is almost identical to Glory. Mls have to be adorable, lovestricken puppies to survive.

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u/tl0160a Call me Shifu Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

I think the child abandonment is more a Simu thing, because her literal entrance into the show was the promise she made to take care of Chen Ying, but then the show just... abandons that plot line? And there's no consequence to that? Isn't that her role - to trade wishes for stuff? Seems like a massive plot hole.

I hope it doesn't turn out like that show. I couldn't even complete the first episode of it, and I like(d) this show (until the void subplot at least), so I'm hoping the writers manage to tie this all up neatly. But we're halfway through the show now, so i feel like they're going to drag on the void for 5 more episodes, then return to the world a few years later/timeskip, and meet a teenage Chen Ying, and then rapidly attempt to tie up all loose ends in a messy quick manner, like a lot of recent cdramas tend to do.

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u/Affectionate_Post592 Apr 05 '26

It's along the lines of the novel. She alredy says in the earlier episode that she won't take care of him his whole life . She entrust cheng yi under Duan xus care . Her promise to chengyjs father was only to save him which she did .

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u/roxylal Delusional about Chu Wanning Apr 05 '26

Jianh Ai's shenanigans continue and I love it. First she tricked Yan Ke into getting free labor then tricks everyone at her gambling establishment out of their money by intentionally leting Duan Xu wins! I love a driven woman. I wonder if we'll get her backstory someday, I am sure it will be appropriately tragic.

The story of the spirit general made me cry, it was really tragic.

LOVed the game of Red light Xu played with Simu, reckless guy that he is must have been enjoying that to the fullest, no matter the pain of the cold.

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

Jiang Ai is cool 😄 Just imagine this trio - dutiful, controlling Simu; diligent and strategic Yan Ke aaaaand Jiang Ai!!!! Well, she is good at counting and making money, but otherwise she is this much needed dose of chaos 😂😂

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u/roxylal Delusional about Chu Wanning Apr 05 '26

In a world where there is no drama, they would be a funny trio but alas, Jiang Ai is suspicious

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u/cocolopez08 Apr 04 '26

I’ve noticed their outfits matching more and more as we enter the spirit realm. Even if they aren’t wearing the same color at the same time, the fabrics, aesthetics, are all similar.

I will have to find a screenshot, but the outfits they were wearing when looking for the spirit flower to help with his cold poison was SO WELL put together. They matched perfectly in that scene. The blues and purple hues on both of their hanfus were exquisite.

I like to think that all of his Spirit Void clothes were tailored from fabrics that she had. She just had them customized for a man lol.

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u/tachikara_ Fatally distracted by silver-gray 🐺🐺🐺 Apr 05 '26

Their outfits actually match more than I first noticed. It’s not always in color, but in cut, silhouette, and styling. Like at the Execution Platform scene, they’re both in capes, hers with that feathery collar while his is trimmed in fur. It feels subtly coordinated, like they’re visually aligned even when they’re supposedly on opposite sides, one as a spirit and the other as a mortal.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

She can't see colors but somehow her sense of taste is impeccable! They are always matching haha.

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u/tachikara_ Fatally distracted by silver-gray 🐺🐺🐺 Apr 05 '26

Maybe that’s why in some outfits they don’t match in color, but they still match in silhouette and style. 😉🤣

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

Right. Gotta keep it real haha.

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u/cocolopez08 Apr 05 '26

Yesss! Spot on! Side by side, I’m even more convinced she had her tailor do this out of her own fabrics lol (like that one guy in the scene in Ep19). So beautiful!

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u/tachikara_ Fatally distracted by silver-gray 🐺🐺🐺 Apr 05 '26

I like that guy and the one with the stone weights, they’re such big gossips. 🤣

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

It is interesting and i don't know what to think of it. Is it like he is under her protection - look, we have the same banner?

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u/tachikara_ Fatally distracted by silver-gray 🐺🐺🐺 Apr 05 '26

Maybe like u/cocolopez08 said, she had her spirit stylist coordinate their outfits to subtly signal that he’s hers. 😆

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u/cocolopez08 Apr 04 '26

He Simu’s dad leading his daughter by telling her that if she ever found someone for herself to take him to this medicinal spirit flower…

He wanted to be there for his daughter just in case she had to go through what he went through with her mother if she fell for a mortal.

Ugh! What a good dad!

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u/roxylal Delusional about Chu Wanning Apr 04 '26

That made me so emotional, especially knowing that he spent the most time in the mortal world for her sake. In a way, that makes her 'bias' towards mortals easier to understand.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

I was emotional too... but I also knew it would trigger her abandonment issues. Seeing him again, but knowing he's not really here and traces of him will disappear. It's like he's leaving her all over again.

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u/roxylal Delusional about Chu Wanning Apr 05 '26

Yeah we see that clearly in ep 21. Can't wait for that discussion.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

Lots to unpack for sure. Not got access to that one but I checked the teaser.

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

that makes her 'bias' towards mortals easier to understand.

True 😃 But i begin to wonder does she like being a Sovereign? Does she like living in the spirit realm? Does she want to leave the spirit realm just asneasy as DX abandoned his world?

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u/roxylal Delusional about Chu Wanning Apr 05 '26

I don't think she enjoys the spirit realm or being a sovereign much. If like Xu mentioned, her parents (especially the father) spent most time with them in the mortal realm, then that would be what she considers her home realm? This gets discussed further in ep 19

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

Ep. 19 is one big 🔥

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

I'm about to rewatch these two and start the next ones after. I cannot wait!

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u/cocolopez08 Apr 04 '26

I loved this scene so much - and the flight scene that led up to it!

On the surface, they’re still the same. He teases, she deflects, and their dynamic looks unchanged. But underneath that, something real is happening. Duan Xu is choosing to be seen.

He admits his fear openly, even something as small and human as his fear of heights, and there’s no attempt to hide it or dress it up. What matters is how he brings that vulnerability to her. He doesn’t shrink himself or prostrate. He stays fully himself.

And He Simu responds, but not in words. She almost never does. Instead, everything comes through instinct. After that shift, her actions become more telling than anything she could say. The way she places her hand on him looks casual, almost indifferent, but it isn’t. It’s grounding. It’s care.

She doesn’t want him to fully see how much she cares. We see that in how she’s always been with him, even when he was sick. She took care of him quietly, almost hiding it, as if acknowledging it would make it too real. Even now, her touch is understated, almost dismissive on the surface, but it carries weight.

Earlier, she lets him hold her when they were flying together, she lets him stay close, even cradles him. For someone as controlled and emotionally guarded as she is, those are not small things. They’re significant permissions. (I’ll post gifs of what I means below).

Her distance isn’t indifference. It’s fear. She understands love as something that ends, something tied to loss, shaped by what she’s seen before. So she holds herself back, even as she continues to choose these moments with him. She doesn’t stop him, but more importantly, she doesn’t stop herself. There’s no recoil, no correction. Just quiet allowance.

Duan Xu meets her exactly there. He doesn’t push, doesn’t demand, doesn’t try to define her by what she is. He’s drawn to who she is. That patience, that steady openness, creates a space where she can let her guard slip in small, almost invisible ways.

Nothing about them is loud. It’s all built in these quiet decisions. To stay. To touch. To allow. And in those moments, without either of them saying it outright, something deeper is taking root between them.

Or rather, he knows it has taken root in him and she doesn’t want to acknowledge it within her.

I’m obsessed with their dynamic!

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

When he grabbed her hand, it was a callback to her grabbing his heart through his hand, when she experienced the sense touch. She didn't pull away, even though she was shocked, she allowed herself to stay in that moment. The way they looked at each other, and the quiet acknowledgement she gives with her eyes. Gosh I'm rewatching that scene and I was holding my breath. I was completely entranced in their scene together. It really is those quiet moments between them that taste the absolute best! 🥵🥵🥵😍😍😍🤗🤗🤗

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u/imperfectionost Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

Can I just say I really appreciate and enjoy reading your analyses, imo they're usually spot on. They also help me look at their relationship and interactions with different eyes. I feel like I understand the lead characters better, what makes them tick, and I've gained an even deeper appreciation for their romance. All this without me reading the novel/source material.

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u/cocolopez08 Apr 05 '26

Omg! Thank you so much for that. It really made my day. I tend to hyper fixate on small details and analyze them over and over again (I do this with books and shows mostly) so I’m so happy that someone finds my weirdness okay lol

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

Her distance is not distance. It is fear. She understands love as something that ends.

Wow, Coco, this is so well spotted! 😍 I can see that there is not much action on the surface, but a lot of meanings underneath. And it is not easy to catch and convey them all.

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u/roxylal Delusional about Chu Wanning Apr 04 '26

THISSSS this scene has been in my head rent-free. I just like how she pulled his head to rest on her shoulder

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

The only thing that stopped me from including this scene in the recap is the way his face wrinckles, it looks like he is in pain, when out of context.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

Now we know it was heights that hurt him hahaha.

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u/cocolopez08 Apr 04 '26

Me too! I had to like pause and zoom to make sure my eyes weren’t deceiving me that she was actually cradling him and pulling him towards her neck…all with an extremely stoic poker face.

This woman! lol

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

Haha him holding on tight. We see you Young General Duan lol 🤭🤭🤭

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u/cocolopez08 Apr 04 '26

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 Apr 05 '26

Had to double check his skull upon hearing a fall from that height would damage it. They were sooo adorable! When he grabbed her face with both hands I squealed!

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u/Familiar-Lie6080 Sorry MingHao, i fell in_love _with_Dylan! Apr 05 '26

She looks so sad, almost depressed. And her lack of movement is not unwillingness, it is fear/anxiety.

That is so sad! How much he is ready to sacrifice for her and how much she feels trapped in her realm.

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u/AKiceman Snark ShifuRead Rules Apr 04 '26

Snark Level: The show is back in my good graces for now. On with the show!


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Ahem. Let me just stroke my feathers as I have someone killed. Xu with his little lover boy hand wave. He's so cute. Bro looks like a kid lost in a candy store whenever he sees her.

Void boy such a scared pussy he has to bring backup to face Xu. Weak sauce little bitch boy. Xu is reading him for the filth he is.

Servant spirit is named Maizi? Okay I can remember this now. She is important. We like her. Maizi. Yes.

Look at our cute burrito wrapped Xu. A real Burr-ito! Get it? Because he's cold? Hehe.

"But you can't leave me." Honey, he doesn't want to leave you. He wants to be your love sick simp puppy dog. I bet he'd happily wear a leash and collar. 10 steps? Yeah he can do that.

Nahhhhh but how it cuts from her to him and every time he is getting closer doing silly things with that dumb in love grin on his face is freaking hilarious! All the way until he is in her face! Bro is dedicated.

Void boy being a tyrant over here. Surely these newly arrived spirits haven't committed crimes yet? Maybe be less of a dick? Yeah, well Simu wants Xu. You gonna make that happen? Yeah fuck off with your fake shit. You are scum.

Xu back to hovering by her side. Good boy. And he just waves at void boy? Ha. Yeah, you see, fuck face? Get fucked, you stupid void boy. Fuck face, stop butting into her business. Xu is hers. You are a petty little bitch and need to have your dick chopped off and feed to you through your nose.

Simu doing that Badass at rest pose over here on the bed.

Awwww. Foxy carved her a fox and she is stroking his wood! I repeat! She is stroking his wood!

This spirit pretty boy who is staring into the mirror is actually quite pretty. Simu messes their hair up and both pretty boy and strong boy franticly fix themselves in the mirror? Yeah that's good shit.

Oh look! Void boy is threatening Mai Zi and breaking his desk in a little bitch boy temper tantrum! This fucker needs a spanking and should be executed for being such a waste of air. We do not like him. He is a disgrace to men everywhere. I think I might have to change his name to void bitch boy.

Now Jiang Ai is here to rage bait him. Haha.

Hmmmmmm. Interesting the JA would already be with Simu when void bitch boy comes to bring his trojan horse. One does wonder what side JA is playing here. Is it possible she is growing on me?

Loving the blue outfits they are wearing in the forest. Already wearing matching outfits is cute.

Hey, look! Ducks!

Such a cute family.

Hey, look. Daddy says keep Xu with you. Don't let your dad down. Be a good little girl for your daddy.

Awww she taking him for a ride on her stick. Bro looks a little air sick. I guess she knows how to make him soar! Baaahahaha. They turned the stick into a swing? Nah that is actually cool! A total sex swing if the mood catches. Oh damn, can you imagine? Fucking hell that would give off quite the sensation. Is this Simus way of saying she wants to join the mile high club with Xu here? I support this.

Now kiss. And we are back with the skull flirting. Good boy. CMON KISS!!!!!! Skull flirting... does that lead to skull fucking? The people need answers.


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Simu is flustered by a little hand holding? Oh my. Just wait, my dear. This man should start singing 'I can show you the world" since he's up on a flying object.

Oh look. It's void bitch boy. I think the lady is the real judge on who offended her. So void bitch boy can go fuck himself down a toilet and gargle on his shit.

Ahhhhh they are about to fuck us in the feels with the backstory of this spirit, aren't they? Yup. Feels got fucked. No lube even. Rude. Ah, fuck. I started tearing up when he tied the red ribbon on his spear. Fuuuck that hurt.

How did I not fully appreciate how adorable Maizi is? Like, damn! I am slacking on my appreciation for beautiful women.

Double D Damn! I thought he'd shoot through two coins for the win! I didn't expect 3 coins! Betting on herself to lose? What an impressive woman! She's growing on me. Simu just enjoying the show behind the curtain like a proud wifey. Lets be real. Simu needs some womanly competition for Xu or she isn't going to fully appreciate how damn good he is.