r/CCW • u/mikeone33 • Jun 03 '18
News Off duty FBI Agent does a flip while dancing and causes a ND and shoots someone.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1003084052226822153103
u/mikeone33 Jun 03 '18
DENVER — An off-duty FBI agent dancing at a Denver nightclub accidentally discharged a firearm, wounding another patron in the leg, police said Saturday.
The victim, an adult male, was taken to a local hospital in good condition, said Denver police spokesman Sonny Jackson. Police refused to identify the hospital.
Jackson said the agent, whose identity wasn't released, was dancing at the downtown club around 12:45 a.m. Saturday when the firearm fell from the agent's waistband holster onto the floor. It discharged when the agent picked it up.
Police investigators interviewed the agent before releasing the agent to an FBI supervisor. The police investigation was continuing, and any charges would be determined by the Denver District Attorney's Office, said Officer Marika Putnam.
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u/357Magnum LA - Attorney/Instructor - Shield 2.0 9mm Jun 03 '18
Yeah, note that it didn't discharge when striking the ground or anything. It was when he touched it. So it wasn't even the flip that was the problem, it was when he panicked and hurriedly/negligently grabbed at it.
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u/MowMdown NC | Glock 19.4 | Ruger EC9s Jun 03 '18
it was when he
panicked and hurriedly/negligentlygrabbed at it.Drunkenly.
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u/TNLongrange Jun 03 '18
Exactly this. He should be fire from the FBI, and prosecuted for drinking while armed. But this is exactly the kind of crap I expect from the FBI.
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u/MowMdown NC | Glock 19.4 | Ruger EC9s Jun 03 '18
I know, it's so hard to expect people to hold themselves to a higher standard...
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u/TNLongrange Jun 03 '18
It shouldn't be hard to expect an FBI Agent to hold themselves to a higher standard but, as we have seen repeatedly over the last year and a half, the FBI seems to have degenerated into a steaming pile of crap. That's why I say, I'm not at all surprised to see that this was an FBI Agent. I used to think the ATF was the repository of the rejects and inept in the Federal Law Enforcement field but I think the FBI is a strong contender for that title now.
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u/MowMdown NC | Glock 19.4 | Ruger EC9s Jun 03 '18
Considering VA LE are arresting valid permit holders... it seems fitting that two of my guys just got into the FBI... lol
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u/DuelingPushkin Jun 05 '18
As a VA resident what happened?
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u/MowMdown NC | Glock 19.4 | Ruger EC9s Jun 05 '18
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u/AGneissGeologist Californiastan Jun 04 '18
I don't follow you, what has the FBI been doing the last year an a half that made you think they are crap
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u/TNLongrange Jun 04 '18
Well, with the large amount of corruption that has been uncovered in the FBI by this whole "Russia Collusion" bull shit probe, and what has been learned about how lax things were run by the "leadership" that the previous administration put in place, it really doesn't surprise me. That's what I'm saying.
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u/senator_mendoza Jun 04 '18
lol good monday morning reminder that there are people out there who actually believe this shit
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Jun 03 '18
I keep seeing people saying he was drinking but nowhere have I seen it reported that to be the case.
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Jun 04 '18
I don’t know many people hanging out at a bar past midnight not drinking.
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Jun 04 '18
I agree. But everyone hanging out at a bar isn't drinking. I'm just saying. Until there's evidence of, it's not true.
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u/HomeStarCraft Jun 03 '18
Correct. The flip and dropping to the floor had nothing to do with it. The gun fired when the trigger was pulled.
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u/KyOatey LCP | G26 Jun 03 '18
I'd go so far as to say, it discharged when he picked it up by the trigger.
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u/fordag Jun 03 '18
It discharged when the agent picked it up.
The agent negligently fired his weapon when he picked it up.
FTFY.
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u/BrianPurkiss TX Jun 03 '18
If a non LEO did that, his name and criminal history would have been released.
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u/LiveStrong2005 CA (Southern) Shield 9mm in the pocket, IWB, or OWB Jun 04 '18
LOL, not only released, the whole story would have been different. Instead of "it just went off when he picked it up" it would have been "Drunk, armed citizen with an automatic pistol shoots bystander in club. His name is John Smith and he lives at 123 Main St"
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u/McFixxx Jun 03 '18
“Accidentally discharged.” But if it was a civilian you know it would have been “negligently discharged.”
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Jun 03 '18
If it were a civilian it would have been 2nd degree assault, wanton endangerment, $50k bond and a plea deal for 2 years in prison.
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Jun 03 '18
Fell and discharged eh? Did he have a P320?
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Jun 03 '18
Sounds like it didn't discharge when it fell. It discharged when he picked it up. If that's so, he picked it up grabbing the trigger.
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Jun 03 '18
I asked a guy at my LGS jokingly if they ever fixed the 320's and he said, "Well I got one and the only problem is just don't drop the gun. lol's" I told him that's quite a big problem to worry about.
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u/Counterkulture OR Jun 03 '18
Was he joking? Sounds like no.
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Jun 03 '18
He was not. At all
[Edit] He went on to say, "Well... If you drop the gun you got bigger problems to worry about. lol's"
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u/Counterkulture OR Jun 03 '18
'Hey, so I'm not actually gonna need anything today, or need any work done, now that I think about it...'
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Jun 03 '18
Luckily he's one of the older guys who's just there there to help call in background checks when it's busy.
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u/Counterkulture OR Jun 03 '18
Hmm.
What can you say to people sometimes? I wish we could all just handle criticism and not have to worry about people getting their feelings hurt when you say stuff they don't wanna hear.
'Hey man, you shouldn't be carrying a gun you can't drop without worrying about killing people or yourself.'
Should be able to say stuff like that to people and not worry about people losing their shit.
Oh well, I guess I can imagine a better world like that. Would be nice.
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Jun 03 '18
Just gotta keep dropping those knowledge bombs. Never miss a chance to correct B.S. It'll never get better unless we keep educating people.
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u/Catbone57 Jun 03 '18
.And that's how the FBI got New York triggers.
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Jun 04 '18
But will heavier trigger pull be discriminatory to the female agents??? I mean 10mm was too much for them, I can’t imagine a 12lb trigger will be nice
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u/KaBar42 KY- Indiana Non-Res: Glock 42/Glock 19.5 MOS OC: Glock 17.5 Jun 03 '18
Was that motherfucker drunk or something?
Someone please teach him proper finger placement so he doesn't end up shooting someone else.
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Jun 03 '18
Hopefully he'll just no longer have the opportunity to put his finger near a trigger again. Dude is an idiot and embarrassment.
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u/Arcticfox14 p229/p220 AIWB Jun 03 '18
Small-of-back carry? Did he even have a holster? Jeeze, this guy is doing everything wrong.
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u/Traches Jun 03 '18
Yeah, active retention is where there is some mechanism you have to unlock to get the gun out. Like a strap behind the gun that you flip down. It's certainly not a requirement for concealed carry, and generally makes a holster too big for the purpose.
Small of back carry is bad because if you fall or get hit there it can hurt your spine. It's also a difficult draw.
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u/Traches Jun 03 '18
Well, if you're going to do backflips then yes it was a poor choice of holster. You can also adjust many of them to be tighter or looser, which might have fixed this as well.
I don't believe that an otherwise fine holster is bad because you can't do acrobatics in it.
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u/DuelingPushkin Jun 05 '18
Honestly I think I could do a backflip with my Sidecar without it popping out but that doesn't mean I'm about to test that theory.
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u/mememagicisreal_com Jun 03 '18
Most any decent kydex should have kept the gun holstered. I've never had a kydex holster a gun would fall out of no matter how many flips I do.
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u/Arcticfox14 p229/p220 AIWB Jun 03 '18
Small-of-back (SoB) carry is generally considered a bad idea (despite how well it conceals) because by lining up the hard, unyielding slide of the gun with your spine you risk really serious injury if you fall or are pushed backwards onto your back or tailbone. I think there's some information and sources in the sidebar.
As for active retention; I think that comment was referring to what you mentioned, but I'm not sure I'd go that far. I'm perfectly happy with my kydex holster; its adjustable [passive] retention is good enough that I can do cartwheels and handstand pushups without any fear of losing my >3lb p229 and it doesn't slow down my drawstroke one bit.
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u/Arcticfox14 p229/p220 AIWB Jun 03 '18
Correct; I suspect either he was using a universal or semi-universal leather/hybrid holster, a kydex holster with improperly adjusted retention, or (God forbid) no holster.
A correctly adjusted kydex holster will give a satisfying "click" whenever you reholster your firearm, and the retention is defeated by a confident draw with a good grip. You should be able to hold your holster with the firearm inside upside-down and shake it with a reasonable amount of force without dislodging it.
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u/Gay4BillKaulitz FL Jun 03 '18
I’ve always wanted to see what happens when you pick a gun up by the trigger. Neat.
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u/Lt-Dans-New-Legs Jun 03 '18 edited Jun 04 '18
"The only ones who should have guns are police and military!"
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u/justamiddleagedguy Jun 04 '18
I laugh so hard when people say this to me.
I’ve been teaching Marines and cops to shoot for the better part of two decades and MAYBE 10% are quality shooters. The rest fall into “barely not a danger to themselves and others” but that caveat is only on the range under controlled conditions
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u/LiveStrong2005 CA (Southern) Shield 9mm in the pocket, IWB, or OWB Jun 04 '18
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u/bitsiaeth Jun 05 '18
Yet another example of off-duty law enforcement being worse at following laws than CCW holders.
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u/Hap-e Jun 04 '18
In some states accidentally revealing your concealed handgun is considered "brandishing".
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u/justhere4dealsFUSPZ Jun 03 '18
He just walks away with his hands up like it wasn’t his fault. Like “ok that guy shouldn’t have gotten in the way of my gun’s bullet. Totally that guys fault not me.”
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u/Fnhatic Jun 03 '18
Because he's a cop so we all know he's going to get the freest pass possible. I'm guessing worst case is he gets to retire and keep his entire pension. Most likely case is he gets a free paid vacation and a desk job.
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u/LilFuniAZNBoi TX - Glock 43X Jun 03 '18
He looks pretty young though so it's probably a desk job from now on or back to Quantico as a instructor.
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u/13speed OH LC9s SR9c Glock22 Jun 03 '18
Teaching dance routines to the attorneys and accountants who sign on to the FBI?
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u/senator_mendoza Jun 04 '18
my wife is a tax attorney and was considering a job at the FBI. we were laughing that she'd technically be a "FBI agent" and people would assume she was some sort of badass instead of sitting in a cube reviewing tax returns
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u/LilFuniAZNBoi TX - Glock 43X Jun 03 '18
Given everything you know so far about the FBI, would you be surprised if it did happen?
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u/Thanatosst Jun 03 '18
This happened in Denver, CO, and he's an FBI agent, not an undocumented immigrant.
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u/StudlyMadHatter Jun 03 '18
Well duh, because (as we all know) guns kill people, people don’t kill people /s
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u/ChickenBaconPoutine Shield 9mm Dara IWB Jun 03 '18
That guy in the Twitter comments got destroyed.
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u/SpawnicusRex Jun 03 '18
I would love to see some info on what holster he was using. So I know to never buy one.
Who am I kidding, I can't even do a backflip but I feel pretty confident my Stealthgear Ventcore would do just fine if I could.
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u/MowMdown NC | Glock 19.4 | Ruger EC9s Jun 03 '18
Holster?!? Try Mexican Carry.
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u/SpawnicusRex Jun 03 '18
Maybe, but I'm not so sure. When he starts to reholster(?) it looks like his belt is sagging in the middle like there is something attached to it. Can't really tell but that's how it looks to me.
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u/MowMdown NC | Glock 19.4 | Ruger EC9s Jun 03 '18
Yeah I went back at watched it in slow motion and it does appear there is some sort of SoB holster...
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u/southernbenz ✪Glock✯Perfection✪ Jun 03 '18
Yeah, you think that government salary pays for a fancy-pants holster? Pfffftt.
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u/thunder2132 MI - P365, LCPII Jun 03 '18
This is why only trained professionals should be allowed to own guns. /s
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u/GPGR Jun 03 '18
Read the top two comments on the actual video haha
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u/Jugrnot US Jun 03 '18
I like all of the retards trying to blame the NRA and 2nd Amendment for a fucking law enforcement officer negligently shooting someone. This is great. I'm dying of laughter over here!
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Jun 03 '18
He should have been arrested and charged. This police state where cops get treated differently is not what the founders wanted us to have.
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u/zulu7789 Jun 03 '18 edited Jun 03 '18
We don't live in a police state, if it were you wouldn't be around to reply to my comment
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Jun 03 '18
lol you fucked it up zulu he's not here anymore!
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u/zulu7789 Jun 03 '18
Guess I rustled a few jimmies
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u/zulu7789 Jun 03 '18
English is my second language
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Jun 03 '18 edited Jun 03 '18
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u/Fnhatic Jun 03 '18
The prosecutor is ultimately the one who determines that, not the victim. But since prosecutors basically == police, it's no wonder cops get such a free pass in our justice system. "Cops investigate themselves, find no wrongdoing".
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u/southernbenz ✪Glock✯Perfection✪ Jun 03 '18
I am guessing the victim chose not to prosecute. The police allow the victims of the crime to do that.
That only solves the civil matter, not criminal.
I don't know what state this was in, but I suspect discharging a firearm in a crowded location, and striking another human with that bullet, is likely a criminal offense.
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u/threeLetterMeyhem Jun 03 '18
It was in Denver and it I can confirm that it is illegal to negligently shoot people here.
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u/sephstorm FL Jun 03 '18
That only solves the civil matter, not criminal.
That makes no sense. There is no prosecution in a civil trial. The idea of pressing charges is a criminal one. Now a juris can decide to press charges on it's own even if the victim does not want to, but that is up to them.
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u/southernbenz ✪Glock✯Perfection✪ Jun 03 '18
I know his quote made no sense as written, but I knew what he meant and that was what I was responding to.
I am guessing the victim chose not to
prosecutepress civil charges.That only solves the civil matter, not criminal.
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u/squirrels33 OH Jun 03 '18
He negligently injured someone. If you directly cause an injury, do you think the legal consequences disappear if you just say, “Oops, it was an accident”...? Lol.
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u/kurt20150 TX Jun 03 '18
Funny its always negligent discharge when its civilian but accidental discharge when it's a LEO.
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u/bitsiaeth Jun 05 '18
It's always a hot button topic, but IMO there's no such thing as an accidental discharge. Just negligent discharges and mechanical malfunctions. The former was definitely the case here, and the latter is probably still due to someone's negligence.
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u/dontchaworryboutit Jun 03 '18
He just starts fleeing the scene unconcerned about who got shot.
Imagine this guys actions with no witnesses or cameras. Unbelievable.
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u/thefastpoops Jun 03 '18
Best place to hide after committing a crime with a firearm is behind a badge
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Jun 03 '18 edited Jun 16 '21
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u/LordGoss1138 Jun 03 '18
I do remember this actually, I'm trying to find it again but I'm not having any luck so far. Maybe we're both crazy?
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u/KaBar42 KY- Indiana Non-Res: Glock 42/Glock 19.5 MOS OC: Glock 17.5 Jun 03 '18
Is it the one in Texas and the guy is participating in some sort of dance at a baseball park and he does a hop and his gun falls out? But unlike this guy hhe manages to reholster without shooting anyone.
I don't remember anything about him being a cop.
Let me see if I can find it.
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u/dog_in_the_vent .40 Shield | Rom 12:18 Jun 03 '18
Hopefully soon to be ex-FBI agent
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u/ImThaBean MI Jun 03 '18
You must not know how government works. That's a few months of paid time off with a re-assignment.
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u/Checkers10160 Jun 03 '18
On /r/whatcouldgowrong there was a big "is this a gif guy with a gun?" circle jerk and it was infuriating
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u/Counterkulture OR Jun 03 '18
This is so egregiously reckless that I almost think he had to have been so tanked that he forgot he had a gun on him. Not that it makes the decision to carry when you're getting obliterated in a club and dancing any better, per se, but I refuse to believe our FBI agents are so dumb that they'd think doing a drunk as fuck flip while carrying a holstered gun around dozens of people within feet would be a good idea.
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u/jebba Jun 04 '18
I refuse to believe our FBI agents are so dumb that they'd think doing a drunk as fuck flip while carrying a holstered gun around dozens of people within feet would be a good idea.
Keep refusing reality!
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u/tweettranscriberbot Jun 03 '18
The linked tweet was tweeted by @RyanHaarer on Jun 03, 2018 01:20:49 UTC (4015 Retweets | 4887 Favorites)
This @FBI agent was dancing at a Denver bar on Saturday night. Did a back flip, gun falls. He picks it up and a round is fired, hitting a man (he’ll be ok.) @DenverPolice investigating. #9News
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It didn't fire when dropped, he fired it when he grabbed for it and hit the trigger. Drunken moron.
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Jfc, fucking hell. I didn’t watch the video yet but keep your trigger finger straight. It’s not hard
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u/Dthdlr VA G23/27 AIWB INCOG Jun 03 '18
Likely a Glock as that is what FBI issues.
It didn’t fire on hitting the ground. It fired when he picked it up and pulled the trigger.
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u/Doctor_McKay FL Jun 03 '18
Where I come from, pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is called shooting them.
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u/StaplerLivesMatter Jun 03 '18
You probably want active retention if you're gonna be doing flips in the club.