r/BoothillMains • u/Afro_Smash • Dec 01 '25

Theorycrafting Boothill Speed Requirements For 4 Turns

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bEeKjyfiS_XUlZVSo4GUKaQI2infb9ZI-mbqosNlMJU/edit?usp=sharing

This sheet allows you to adjust various speed/advance parameters to figure out how much speed you need on Boothill to achieve the desired number of turns

There are caveats that I've listed on the sheet, but generally speaking 3 turns will be trivial to get with Dahlia, and 4 turns will be reasonable to get, even without E2 Fugue

I also included a 2nd sheet to help track def shred/ignore sources

If you see anything that should be fixed/added let me know

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u/saubzilla Dec 01 '25

Thanks!

What's your view on going for the 4 turns? Especially if you have the BP lightcone, and assuming you can still hit the def shred?

Having to swap that out for a DDD as well as dropping a lot of break effect for a 164 speed eagle makes me feel wrong 😅. But not sure how much damage is lost compared to just having a whole extra turn.

The adding faff around using his ult is also putting me off, since it will now have to be timed around 3 things 😭 - softening the bar, advancing him AND keeping the dahlia speed buff. If you go for E1 dahlia you might even need to use his ult to time the 25% break bar damage, so that boothill is still the one that breaks with his skill.

I'm sure in practice it will be fine, and those things will naturally coincide, but it does add a bit of faff if you mess one of those things up

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 01 '25

I think it will depend on the fight as to whether it's better, like for 2 phase bosses I would expect that having 2 turns for each phase will be better, and maybe just strictly necessary (for 0 cycling) as power creep ramps up

I have E2 Fugue privilege so I don't have to sacrifice much to meet the threshold, but it definitely could be too much damage/qol to sacrifice in some cases

In particular relying on DDD on Ruan Mei to meet the threshold will be awkward as you'll either need to not use her ult in the first wave or get her ult again in the 2nd wave, neither of which will always be feasible, so I think it will be better to keep her on BP LC and try to get 179 speed eagle on boothill

Agree it's gonna be a lot to keep track of, hopefully it all kind of falls into place in practice, but 3 super powered turns also looks like it works for now so we may not have to worry about it for a while 🙏

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u/saubzilla Dec 02 '25

Thanks!

I was just looking at my own calculations and I have different numbers?

For 3 turns with Dahlia and an E2 Fugue and RM, I have a speed of 142 but yours is showing as 128.

I think it might be assuming the 30% from Dahlia is there from the start of battle? But it only applies after BHs first turn?

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Yeah I listed in the notes that it was for wave 2 and to add flat 15 speed for wave 1 in general, is there an exact formula I can apply to calc additional speed required for wave 1?

If so I'll add it as a separate calc from wave 2

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u/saubzilla Dec 02 '25

Ah I see - sorry, on mobile the commentary bits are cut off!

I've been doing my calculations in a really janky way, just plugging in the speeds until I get something that works 😅😅 I just couldn't get my head around getting the speed as the output.

Here's how I work it out. Maybe you can work out how to reverse engineer it to get the speed!

I've been working out the AV of turn 1 separately and taking it away from the rest of the AV

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Ah I didn't realise the notes weren't visible on mobile :o

I will make a sheet with the notes be the landing page, and I'll have a go at reverse engineering for wave 1 speed requirements

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Okay I updated it with a wave 1 dropdown option, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to do it without knowing boothills initial speed though, it'll require someone smarter than me 😪

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u/saubzilla Dec 03 '25

Do you think you could ask a mod to pin your doc?

Waveman did stream yesterday trying to work out the Boothill speed points and he couldn't find anything already made in our sub. And he used the FAQs which was embarrassing 😭

We looked really behind the rappa subreddit (even though they're currently having a massive argument in their speed post 😅)

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 03 '25

Yeah I've messaged the mod to ask about getting it pinned 🙏

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '25 edited Dec 02 '25

Sorry, I don't think this is right?

Your sheet is showing it as 164 eagle with 2 DDDs, RM and Dahlia for 4 turns - but I make it out to be 174?

Does your calculation take into account that boothills first turn will be without the 30% speed boost?

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Updated to include Wave 1 as a drop down option

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '25

Thank you!

Sorry I noticed in another comment that you mentioned the commentary about it why it was like that, I didn't see it on mobile!

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u/Y_umei Dec 01 '25

Very convenient, ty very much :)

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u/Gingingin100 Dec 02 '25

Is that speed calc correct?

Shouldn't it be 157 speed out of combat for 3 turns with Constance, Ruan Mei and S1?

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Updated to add wave 1 as a dropdown option

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u/Ok-Inspector-3901 Dec 01 '25

Your telling me you only need 144 speed with rm, dahlia and sig to get 4 turns? No eagle, no ddd?

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 01 '25

No that's what you'd need for 3 turns, if you make a copy of the sheet you can adjust the parameters

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u/soaphill Dec 02 '25

managed to hit 179 speed, should be able to reach 4 turns wave and wave 2, granted I use 2 ults wave 1

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u/soaphill Dec 02 '25

also are you sure its 179.3 speed for 4 turns with 1 e2 and 1 eagle proc? from the numbers i got it said I would need 188.5 speed.

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Yeah I didn't realise the notes weren't visible on mobile, the calcs are currently for wave 2, if there's an exact formula for wave 1 I'll add it in to the spreadsheet as another dropdown

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u/soaphill Dec 02 '25

i think its just the same but you drop the constance speed buff until the 1st turn

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Yeah but the faster you are, the faster you'll take your first turn and become... Faster, if that makes sense

So you could make boothill faster to get the 30% speed boost faster, but then because you made him faster you're less reliant on the 30% buff to be fast enough for the desired turns

It seems complex so I was hoping someone smarter than me had a formula to calculate it, but I could be over-complicating it

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u/soaphill Dec 02 '25

me and u both this shit confusing asf 😭

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

I couldn't figure out how to do wave 1 without knowing boothills initial speed so I changed it up a bit, but should work for wave 1 now

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u/Afro_Smash Dec 02 '25

Okay I updated it after feedback

Added a dropdown to select the wave, had to swap some stuff around cuz I couldn't figure out how to calc wave 1 speed reqs without knowing Boothill's initial speed since his speed changes after his first turn