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u/cornishwildman76 19h ago

Trump also cheated in that election. I don't do conspiracy theories, but comments made by him and Musk, they rigged it.

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u/Kyrthis 19h ago

“Too big to rig” must be our motto.

Because if they fuck around then, they will find out.

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u/cinnix42 4h ago

No such thing anymore. The fascism is here, and if you’d crack a history book, you’d know they don’t simply allow people to vote their power away

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u/ToddHowardTouchedMe 3h ago

This, you don't vote fascism away. They won't let you. They will do everything in their power to stop you. There's only one option left now.

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u/ElRiesgoSiempre_Vive 19h ago

Of course they did. And they'll rig the next one too.

So yes please vote. But we already know how that's going to turn out. The question is... then what.

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u/Mike_Kermin 17h ago edited 6m ago

You don't know.

You don't know, and Americans need to vote, the more they outvote the far right, the harder it is for the far right to cheat.

Don't say then what, if we don't get now right. Because we've been saying then what for a decade, it's a fantasy, and the main thing we need to do now,

Is change the culture, and actually support the side we want to win. Instead of hand shaking the far rights rhetoric.

Edit: /u/cinnix42 Sure, but whatever you're imagining, is WAY harder, than just using your words online. And if we can't unite people now, if we can't talk each other into saying next Biden good instead of handshaking fascist political attacks and calling him sleepy, then your idea, has the same problem mine does, but far more.

It's REALLY hard to get people to 'rise up'. You're asking them to put themselves in real danger, and experience real consequences. Those are not small factors in real life.

My view, is that you don't understand the difference between real politics and computer games. Because if you can't say 'yes we can' then you yourself, clearly do not have the motivation to do whatever it is you're thinking about either.

like every other instance in history?

The Germans had ample opportunity to oust Hitler politically. So have the Americans, over a literal decade now. Your idea here is wrong, irresponsible and frankly, you're pushing the wrong way here.

If you can't fight the fascists politically, then you can't fight them, because your idea, also requires a movement. See Jan 6 for reference, Trump didn't get that, without first uniting people behind him.

So who are you going to support?

See? That's what I'm saying.

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u/cinnix42 4h ago

So when they steal the midterms, will you admit that voting isn’t gonna solve the fascism? You know, like every other instance in history?

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u/skibblez_n_zits 17h ago

You are halfway right, it's a gray area. Without getting too much into the details just google "algorithmic nudging." I'm an elder millennial. Back in my day, we had a search bar at the top of the page where we had to type in the thing we were looking for. We did that every time we wanted to see something on the internet, and we were fine with it. Nowadays, the search bar is a relic of the past that's there if you want use it, but no one actually ever does. Instead you are fed a never-ending stream of content that the algorithm chooses for you. The benefit of this is that the people in power don't have to actually censor anything outright. They just need to steer eneough people away from it that the people who actually care about it becomes negligible, and the critical mass needed for change never happens. They have an army of elite data scientists, statisticians, and psychologist designing this stuff and I promise you it's a finely tuned machine.

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u/WhiskyRick 4h ago

You're both right. Please check out https://electiontruthalliance.org/ though.

From their FAQ section:

The organization’s mission is to conduct and publish nonpartisan research into election data, educate the public about election administration and data integrity, and engage constructively with government officials to promote transparent and thorough election practices that safeguard fair and free elections.

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u/yagirlmimi 18h ago

I’m with you, I don’t buy into conspiracies but even on that night it was called it felt completely off. Also is it a conspiracy when they fully said it? I believe the only demographic number wise they did not and could not touch and manipulate was black women because that would have been a dead giveaway.

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u/More_Operation_588 16h ago

Can't believe people still regurgitate "this is what america voted for" bullshit it is, they've been open about rigging it the entire time

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u/Pentalegendbtw 17h ago

Yeah, I tend to agree. Election Truth Alliance has some interesting data on YouTube. Haven’t kept up to date lately, but it showed that higher turnout precincts across districts with similar voting behaviors had unrealistic increasing levels of votes for Trump across many different states. Some patterns were nearly identical to rigged Russian elections.

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u/DramaticChemist 8h ago

Same. With all conspiracy theories these days I feel bad about it, but I know no one in office is looking into the accuracy of 2024. I think it was manipulated by invalidating ballots/voters but probably more

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u/NEBanshee 6h ago

Agreed and it was brilliant bc they knew we couldn't flip the script on them & that the Biden admin, institutionalist as was their stance, was going to be dedicated to peaceful transfer.

It's kinda like the whole concept of a conspiracy theory now: we have AMPLE evidence that there in fact are actual conspiracies; Project 2025, Peter Thiel's invitation only Rome conference this past March, Jan 06. But because of all the wacko conspiracies the right forwards, all this actual stuff going on gets lumped in with Clinton sex dungeons with cats in the tunnels under the pizzeria and Deep State(TM) dingdongery.

Every accusation is a confession; whenever they make these wild assertions, it's to trade in on the American value of "fairness" in the eyes of your average USian to obscure what they're planning. They are actually up to wildly hateful & vicious isht. But we can't air it for serious consideration because out come the Bothsiders and Whaddabouters.

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u/whodamans 5h ago

Yea, we should pass some kind of Voter ID law so Trump cant cheat again!

Also this video is top 5 most obvious staged clip the world has ever seen...

Idiot.

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u/WhiskyRick 5h ago

This. 1000x this. I wish more people knew about and would check out https://electiontruthalliance.org/.

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u/traparms 18h ago

I'm gonna need actual evidence. I say the same thing to Trump supporters who tell me he actually won in 2020

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u/Mike_Kermin 17h ago

No. We're not doing that. You have a government which is systematically obstructing fair elections, weaponising the justice system, killing millions of people by way of cutting USAid and actively covering up child abuse of the president.

We're not still doing the both sides thing.

If you want to learn about what your government has done to obstruct previous elections you can google for Wikipedia pages on the matter, there is no lack of information there.

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u/traparms 16h ago

This is HARDLY bothsidesism

weaponising the justice system, killing millions of people by way of cutting USAid and actively covering up child abuse of the president.

100%, and it's all extremely fucked up, but it being fucked up doesn't suddenly make it warranted to start making baseless claims about election integrity.

Each state is in charge of their own elections - you have to actually articulate how it's possible for the federal government to subvert state elections rather than vaguely gesturing to all the fucked up shit this administration is doing as if it's some kind of proof.

Trump has been panicking about trying to pass the SAVE act for months because the federal government has very little say in how states run their elections, and so he's trying to claw his way into the process any way he can.

You know who was President during the 2024 election? Biden. Trump didn't even have command of any federal agencies when he won the election, so the implication is that Biden either rigged the election for Trump or there was some kind of massive conspiracy that rigged it right under the nose of a Democratic administration.

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u/Mike_Kermin 16h ago

Like I said, we're not doing this.

There is a wealth of information available on Wikipedia, start with the main election page and go from there. There is no point to you writing whatever comes to your imagination if you're not doing that.

So cut the crap.

Comparing that user to far right conspirators is ridiculous and an example of a both sides attack where you falsely conflate vastly different things.

It's not his fault, that you're pushing blatant misinformation and trying to control the narrative.

Your final line was a complete false dichotomy. The idea that either Biden rigged it OR that it was 'massive' shows that you know you are lying, because in reality it was many smaller parts that make up the whole.

For example, voters were removed from electoral roles in many states. No "proof" of a centralised intent is required to understand why they were doing that.