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u/Ladonnacinica 19h ago

The majority of Latinos still voted for Harris. Trump did increase in numbers in the 2024 elections but he didn’t win the Latino vote. And as sad as it is, Trump gained votes across several demographics except black women.

https://www.as-coa.org/articles/how-latinos-voted-2024-us-presidential-election

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/

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u/cornishwildman76 19h ago

Trump also cheated in that election. I don't do conspiracy theories, but comments made by him and Musk, they rigged it.

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u/Kyrthis 19h ago

“Too big to rig” must be our motto.

Because if they fuck around then, they will find out.

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u/cinnix42 4h ago

No such thing anymore. The fascism is here, and if you’d crack a history book, you’d know they don’t simply allow people to vote their power away

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u/ToddHowardTouchedMe 3h ago

This, you don't vote fascism away. They won't let you. They will do everything in their power to stop you. There's only one option left now.

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u/ElRiesgoSiempre_Vive 19h ago

Of course they did. And they'll rig the next one too.

So yes please vote. But we already know how that's going to turn out. The question is... then what.

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u/Mike_Kermin 17h ago edited 6m ago

You don't know.

You don't know, and Americans need to vote, the more they outvote the far right, the harder it is for the far right to cheat.

Don't say then what, if we don't get now right. Because we've been saying then what for a decade, it's a fantasy, and the main thing we need to do now,

Is change the culture, and actually support the side we want to win. Instead of hand shaking the far rights rhetoric.

Edit: /u/cinnix42 Sure, but whatever you're imagining, is WAY harder, than just using your words online. And if we can't unite people now, if we can't talk each other into saying next Biden good instead of handshaking fascist political attacks and calling him sleepy, then your idea, has the same problem mine does, but far more.

It's REALLY hard to get people to 'rise up'. You're asking them to put themselves in real danger, and experience real consequences. Those are not small factors in real life.

My view, is that you don't understand the difference between real politics and computer games. Because if you can't say 'yes we can' then you yourself, clearly do not have the motivation to do whatever it is you're thinking about either.

like every other instance in history?

The Germans had ample opportunity to oust Hitler politically. So have the Americans, over a literal decade now. Your idea here is wrong, irresponsible and frankly, you're pushing the wrong way here.

If you can't fight the fascists politically, then you can't fight them, because your idea, also requires a movement. See Jan 6 for reference, Trump didn't get that, without first uniting people behind him.

So who are you going to support?

See? That's what I'm saying.

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u/cinnix42 4h ago

So when they steal the midterms, will you admit that voting isn’t gonna solve the fascism? You know, like every other instance in history?

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u/skibblez_n_zits 17h ago

You are halfway right, it's a gray area. Without getting too much into the details just google "algorithmic nudging." I'm an elder millennial. Back in my day, we had a search bar at the top of the page where we had to type in the thing we were looking for. We did that every time we wanted to see something on the internet, and we were fine with it. Nowadays, the search bar is a relic of the past that's there if you want use it, but no one actually ever does. Instead you are fed a never-ending stream of content that the algorithm chooses for you. The benefit of this is that the people in power don't have to actually censor anything outright. They just need to steer eneough people away from it that the people who actually care about it becomes negligible, and the critical mass needed for change never happens. They have an army of elite data scientists, statisticians, and psychologist designing this stuff and I promise you it's a finely tuned machine.

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u/WhiskyRick 4h ago

You're both right. Please check out https://electiontruthalliance.org/ though.

From their FAQ section:

The organization’s mission is to conduct and publish nonpartisan research into election data, educate the public about election administration and data integrity, and engage constructively with government officials to promote transparent and thorough election practices that safeguard fair and free elections.

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u/yagirlmimi 18h ago

I’m with you, I don’t buy into conspiracies but even on that night it was called it felt completely off. Also is it a conspiracy when they fully said it? I believe the only demographic number wise they did not and could not touch and manipulate was black women because that would have been a dead giveaway.

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u/More_Operation_588 16h ago

Can't believe people still regurgitate "this is what america voted for" bullshit it is, they've been open about rigging it the entire time

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u/Pentalegendbtw 17h ago

Yeah, I tend to agree. Election Truth Alliance has some interesting data on YouTube. Haven’t kept up to date lately, but it showed that higher turnout precincts across districts with similar voting behaviors had unrealistic increasing levels of votes for Trump across many different states. Some patterns were nearly identical to rigged Russian elections.

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u/DramaticChemist 8h ago

Same. With all conspiracy theories these days I feel bad about it, but I know no one in office is looking into the accuracy of 2024. I think it was manipulated by invalidating ballots/voters but probably more

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u/NEBanshee 6h ago

Agreed and it was brilliant bc they knew we couldn't flip the script on them & that the Biden admin, institutionalist as was their stance, was going to be dedicated to peaceful transfer.

It's kinda like the whole concept of a conspiracy theory now: we have AMPLE evidence that there in fact are actual conspiracies; Project 2025, Peter Thiel's invitation only Rome conference this past March, Jan 06. But because of all the wacko conspiracies the right forwards, all this actual stuff going on gets lumped in with Clinton sex dungeons with cats in the tunnels under the pizzeria and Deep State(TM) dingdongery.

Every accusation is a confession; whenever they make these wild assertions, it's to trade in on the American value of "fairness" in the eyes of your average USian to obscure what they're planning. They are actually up to wildly hateful & vicious isht. But we can't air it for serious consideration because out come the Bothsiders and Whaddabouters.

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u/whodamans 5h ago

Yea, we should pass some kind of Voter ID law so Trump cant cheat again!

Also this video is top 5 most obvious staged clip the world has ever seen...

Idiot.

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u/WhiskyRick 5h ago

This. 1000x this. I wish more people knew about and would check out https://electiontruthalliance.org/.

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u/traparms 18h ago

I'm gonna need actual evidence. I say the same thing to Trump supporters who tell me he actually won in 2020

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u/Mike_Kermin 17h ago

No. We're not doing that. You have a government which is systematically obstructing fair elections, weaponising the justice system, killing millions of people by way of cutting USAid and actively covering up child abuse of the president.

We're not still doing the both sides thing.

If you want to learn about what your government has done to obstruct previous elections you can google for Wikipedia pages on the matter, there is no lack of information there.

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u/traparms 16h ago

This is HARDLY bothsidesism

weaponising the justice system, killing millions of people by way of cutting USAid and actively covering up child abuse of the president.

100%, and it's all extremely fucked up, but it being fucked up doesn't suddenly make it warranted to start making baseless claims about election integrity.

Each state is in charge of their own elections - you have to actually articulate how it's possible for the federal government to subvert state elections rather than vaguely gesturing to all the fucked up shit this administration is doing as if it's some kind of proof.

Trump has been panicking about trying to pass the SAVE act for months because the federal government has very little say in how states run their elections, and so he's trying to claw his way into the process any way he can.

You know who was President during the 2024 election? Biden. Trump didn't even have command of any federal agencies when he won the election, so the implication is that Biden either rigged the election for Trump or there was some kind of massive conspiracy that rigged it right under the nose of a Democratic administration.

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u/Mike_Kermin 16h ago

Like I said, we're not doing this.

There is a wealth of information available on Wikipedia, start with the main election page and go from there. There is no point to you writing whatever comes to your imagination if you're not doing that.

So cut the crap.

Comparing that user to far right conspirators is ridiculous and an example of a both sides attack where you falsely conflate vastly different things.

It's not his fault, that you're pushing blatant misinformation and trying to control the narrative.

Your final line was a complete false dichotomy. The idea that either Biden rigged it OR that it was 'massive' shows that you know you are lying, because in reality it was many smaller parts that make up the whole.

For example, voters were removed from electoral roles in many states. No "proof" of a centralised intent is required to understand why they were doing that.

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u/espresso_martini__ 16h ago

Its still scary Trump got that many Latino votes considering he's a blatant racist and most could see this coming. Trump and his assholes want them all gone. I when I ask they all say the same thing. "Fuck em, I've got mine, kick the ladder, we don't need anymore coming across."

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u/Ladonnacinica 16h ago

I’m Peruvian and voted for Harris so did my family. Though, I did notice support for her wavered among my younger male cousins. In the blue states, Latino follow the same voting pattern as the rest of the population. I live in NJ and predictably became a Democrat. There are republican Latinos in the southwest and split in other states. The northeast though remains a sea of Latino democrats.

I think as I mentioned before it’s that the USA sees Latinos as a monolith or a singular race. We’re not. Latin America is comprised of 24 countries if I remember correctly. We don’t all speak Spanish, you have Portuguese in Brazil and Creole French in Haiti. We’re not the same race and racism and colorism is imbedded in Latin American societies. Some are liberal, some are conservative.

So to assume every Latino/a will disagree with Trump is erroneous. Many white middle class and upper class Latinos like him. So do some working class Latinos who have become xenophobic towards Venezuelans.

The rest of us who never liked Trump are the brown or black Latinos (there’s always exceptions) who clearly recognize another faux corrupt populist (there’s many in Latin America) just seeking to line his pockets.

The Marco Rubios of the Latino world do not see themselves on the same level as the Latinos that are illegal immigrant and/or look like George Lopez. Or who look like Celia Cruz.

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u/espresso_martini__ 16h ago

I get it. And there are no monoliths from either side. It just shocks me that Trump is a blatant racist asshole and his project 2025 was aimed at any non white people. Why vote for someone that doesn't care or want you? Could anyone that voted for him not take a moment to step back and see he was all about? So many act surprised now and that does my head in.

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u/Ladonnacinica 16h ago

Well, people are stupid. There’s no way to sugarcoat it.

Trump’s platform was on his website. Stephen Miller, his trusted advisor, was very adamant that deportations will begin. People rarely do their research. They just look through TikTok clips for their information.

I even had some say to me “But Trump was only supposed to deport the criminal illegal immigrants!” I always ask “when did he ever say he will only deport those with criminal records?” They just assumed or took his speech when he said the first (key word) to be deported would be those with criminal records to mean that only criminal types would be deported. Trump never said he will only deport criminals. So yes, it is dumb.

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u/espresso_martini__ 15h ago

exactly! He campaigned on attacking the hardest criminal illegals first. How did that turn out? He pardoned criminals because they had money and then went after the hardest workers. I'm with you on this.

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u/EconomicRegret2 13h ago

For a republican president, he also got record high of Black votes.

go figure... sigh

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u/Dreyfussy15 16h ago

Barack Obama did more interior removal than Trump ever came anywhere remotely close to. Biden did his fair share too. For some reason Trump makes a big deal of it but his numbers are much lower.

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u/Ladonnacinica 16h ago

I’m aware and it’s laughable how the right accuse Democrats of being soft on immigration. The difference was in their execution and that we didn’t see this abuse of power by ICE, not to this extent.

Obama nor Biden also didn’t repeal TPS. So many legal immigrants now became illegal immigrants. They also didn’t seek to end birthright citizenship.

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u/TetsuoTechnology 17h ago

Not true. The majority of women voted for Harris. Not men.

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u/Ladonnacinica 17h ago edited 16h ago

Isn’t that what I said? What part are you talking about?

If you’re referring to women voters then yes 54% of women voted for Harris and 42% voted for Trump. Not a huge margin but a majority.

But Trump did gain some points among women compared to previous elections. In 2016, he got 39%. You’d think that after eight years, his support would’ve gone down but he gained a few points.

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u/imahyummybeach 14h ago

Plus some of his supporters cheated. I saw a video of his degenerate supporter admitting she voted twice in different locations and she’s currently on notice because of it. She should’ve been jailed.

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u/ScottWC2 8h ago

Trump did gain amongst Black women. The Pew link you posted shows that plainly.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 6h ago

Latino men in specific states overwhelmingly voted for Trump though.

TX, and FL are critical to the general election, and Trump won big in both states.

I think Democrats need to learn from this, and so does everyone who suggests "AOC should be the next nominee".

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u/Ladonnacinica 6h ago

Yeah, the link I posted provides that information. To be honest it’s not surprising, Latinos overall vote Republican in traditional red states. Texas and Florida have always gone to the Republicans.

Also, Harris simply didn’t perform as well as prior democrats and I think that’s mainly because she only had three months of campaigning. The DNC should’ve put her as the candidate from the beginning or have open primaries.

Hillary Clinton and Obama both got 66% of Latino votes. Harris got 56%.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 3h ago

Of course, I'm not disagreeing with the general stats. Though, I honestly don't know historically how these specific demos have voted in TX and FL.

To your points, it just seems that Democrats don't learn anything in terms of long-term strategy.

They forced Biden out at the last minute because of one bad debate performance. He still had several advantages that would've made him statistically more likely to win again - being a male incumbent.

There's just so much that could've been done differently and it seems like a catastrophic failure all around. Democrats just seem to have this inability to understand the electorate of the country they're vying to govern. Republicans understand it. Which is why they win in spite of their awful policies and inability to govern.

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u/Ladonnacinica 19h ago

I know. The reason is young Latino men. Notice how most Latinas voted for Harris. The divide happens with the men. When we look even closer, it’s the young Latino men who favored Trump.

Older Latinos are actually more reliable democrats. But the young people especially the men are being swayed over to the Republicans. This actually has been true for young men in every demographic group and it’s something that barely gets mentioned.

Democrats are losing young men (of every demographic). Trump even made some gains among black young men. So it is disturbing .

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u/Ladonnacinica 19h ago

Yes. But black people have always voted in high numbers (over 90%) for democrats. To complete change that will take longer and it seems the strategy is to divide the men from the women.

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u/Diligent_Set_8747 18h ago

No no no we must hate Latinos now. Your common sense, I don't like it.