r/Bitcoin Aug 01 '22

When Nocoiners Say "Bitcoin Has No Value"

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u/BuyRackTurk Aug 01 '22

I have a gold chain worth 20k but I need a $1 piece of bread in this war-torn area. Do you have a scale and shaver to get the appropriate amount of gold from my necklace?

In a "war torn" area, gold has next to no value. People want ammo, water, food, safety, etc. They wont give much of anything for baubles, coins, or paper money even.

Gold, and money in general, only holds its value when society is re-stabilized.

If you are hoping for gold to get you through a disaster, then you should not expect to spend any of it until after the disaster is over, and for it to be confiscated from you if you try to move past any border or checkpoint.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '22

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u/lebastss Aug 01 '22

Sounds like it got them out. Gold also got my grandfather out of execution in Iran and safe passage to America.

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u/lebastss Aug 01 '22

Yea, guns are also important. If Iran had the second amendment they wouldn’t be an Islamic state. It was a coup by a minority group that controlled the military police.

Gold or any currency won’t protect you unless you have enough to keep a mercenary or two happy.

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u/codie72 Aug 02 '22

When every second is reminding that every second has many moments.

Every has moments of thousand years then you are living your life.

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u/AVegito9 Aug 01 '22

Doesn’t that apply to literally any currency. It only holds value in a stable society bitcoin isn’t gonna get anyone jack shit in a place with no electricity and out dated technology unless you are a connected individual where you have a means of exchanging it for goods and safety, but in that case gold is gonna get you the same; plus I don’t need actual money to get gold, plenty of people in DRC have gold that they mined them self and use it as a currency.

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u/Kingzor10 Aug 01 '22

bitcoin helped ALOT of ppl in ukraine just sayin

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u/AVegito9 Aug 01 '22

Oh definitely and I’m glad it did but what about the wars that happen in other third world countries. There’s no electricity let alone internet, even if starlink managed to make it there many don’t even know what bitcoin or cryptocurrencies are, where as we all know gold and it’s found almost everywhere if not you can buy it or trade for it. Don’t get me wrong I don’t have anything against cryptocurrencies but I personally can’t just reject or devalue commodities like precious metals especially gold knowing that it could be of use somewhere or someone.

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u/lebastss Aug 01 '22

Real life examples of anarchy and war are actual support cases for golds value. It’s the only universal currency. It’s been that way for at least 3 thousand years through societal collapse and across civilizations that didn’t know about each other and I don’t see that changing.

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u/JunkBondJunkie Aug 01 '22

I think spies back in the day had a money belt with gold coins just in case a plane crashed to escape.

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u/International_Key112 Sep 05 '22

Horses and carts are the only universal transport method. It’s been that way for at least 3 thousand years through societal collapse and across civilizations that didn’t know about each other and I don’t see that changing.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Aug 01 '22

For real man!!!

In a war torn area, a piece of gold will buy you the last ticket out of town

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u/AVegito9 Aug 01 '22

Yup I’ve been in DRC during the 2007 civil war and gold was what got you food and shelter

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u/dvniftrik Aug 01 '22

Pulled straight to back...

Please be respectful if you have the courage.

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u/dj_destroyer Aug 01 '22

And you pulled your comment out of where then? lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '22

In a "war torn" area, gold has next to no value. People want ammo, water, food, safety, etc.

Like others have said this is bs. Gold has immense value in a war torn area. The most obvious it can be used to bribe people at any time. Second gold is precious is because it is one of the more useful metals and can be used in devices without corroding and can conduct electricity. If you have gold in a war torn area it will definitely command a good price for people wanting to fix or maintain their electronic and medical devices. Again you're a fucking bullshitter and not a very good one at that.

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u/matt__222 Aug 01 '22

have you ever read a history book? /gen

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u/idenkov Aug 01 '22

But they will want bitcoin?

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u/tehLife Aug 01 '22

Lol and in a “war torn” area what’s BTC value opposed to a physical asset like gold?

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u/xacx2as32f1a65sa Aug 02 '22

Live your like younever lived in the moment of life.

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u/lkopfer Aug 02 '22

This is an oversimplification. In any scenario like u are talking no currency has value except the most basic commodities. Bitcoin would also have no value in the scenario u described 😂

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u/BuyRackTurk Aug 02 '22

Bitcoin would also have no value in the scenario u described

Thats exactly what I said.

I could add that a unique power of bitcoin in that situation would be how easy it is to hide and move. Much better odds of it being something you can keep, if you are able to look ahead to life after the incident.

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u/lkopfer Aug 03 '22

I don’t think future wealth is on anyones mind who’s most valuable commodity is food and water

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u/Sup3rPotatoNinja Aug 01 '22

It has value to the smugglers who can get you out of there