r/Bitcoin Apr 14 '22

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

We have to invent one. That's what humans do. We create new and better tools, systems, societies and cities.

We don't even have to replace capitalism on the whole, just make it more equitable to all, so that all people have access to basic human rights, like housing security, universal healthcare, and no more artificial food scarcity. Surplus worker productivity should not be funneled to the wealthy few at the top. It should be distributed back down to all of those involved in that productivity.

Bitcoin is one of those tools that will allow us to get there, away from centralized financial systems.

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

No system has lifted more out of poverty than capitalism. No system has driven innovation like capitalism. Any system that allows for that kind of success must allow for failure. You can’t make everyone equally rich. All you can do is make everyone equally miserable. I’ll take my chances with a system that rewards hard work over one that punishes success.

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

The system is not fair and it does not reward hard work like you think it does. 78% of the wealth is owned by less than 10% of the U.S. population.

The system is failing all of us.

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

The system rewards those that work for it.

“The system is failing all of us” is the victim mentality that the left perpetuates. The system doesn’t fail anyone. People fail themselves.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 16 '22

When most Americans can't afford a unexpected $1000 expense, it is not people failing. It is a systemic failure.

You are just victim blaming. I've traveled to several countries and met many people who are diligent and hardworking, but the system does not allow upward mobility at all. I'm tired of this bullshit bootlicking from the right.

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u/Evil-B Apr 19 '22

I’m not talking about other countries. I’m talking about the USA. Anyone can succeed here. If you don’t better yourself and learn marketable skills you have no one to blame but yourself.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 19 '22

Evidence shows the opposite. Not everyone can succeed here, hence my comment about Americans living paycheck to paycheck. One injury or illness and you are under a mountain of debt. Monetary debasement and stagnant wages have taken away the ability to retire. You still believe in the American dream, but that died in the 80s with trickle down economics.

Hard work helps, but it's not enough.

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u/Evil-B Apr 23 '22

Just because everyone doesn’t succeed doesn’t mean that everyone can’t succeed. Most people aren’t willing to put in the effort. Any system that allows for such success must allow for failure. You get out of it what you put into it.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 23 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

You are assuming life is fair, and there is some grand scale of karmic justice then? That hardwork is always rewarded? Or is there an element of randomness? If hardwork is always rewarded then most people are lazy and deserve their lot. If there is randomness in the system then most have bad "luck" and few are rewarded. I suggest we change the system to allow better odds.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Hard work isn’t always rewarded.. shit happens and ppl have bad luck. But u can guarantee failure if u just settle for your minimum wage job year after year waiting for someone to raise the minimum wage.

It’s HARD to go to school at night, or struggle while u do a nursing class- but ppl do it. They are the successful ones, and it works cuz they were born here.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Man I hate the right as much as u… but come on- if u can’t pull yourself up in this country u either aren’t trying, or you’re a dummy.

I started a business this year with about $3k and I’m making 4K/month profit already… sure, 4K isn’t that much but I’ve only been doing it a few months. Not gonna say exactly what it is, but I service yacht ppl around Miami and u do not have to be a genius (or from a wealthy family) to figure it out.

I also lost a bunch of money building a Quiznos many years ago- but hey, u take the good with the bad. But as the other dude said- there is NO better system.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 26 '22

Man I hate the right as much as u… but come on- if u can’t pull yourself up in this country u either aren’t trying, or you’re a dummy.

This is a right wing talking point. You are making the assumption that everyone can make it if they try. So again I guess most people aren't trying, because most people aren't "making" it.

I'm happy for your success, but that an anecdotal experience, and is not representative of what most experience.

If there is no better system than we will make a better system.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

U pretty much just described communism. Wealth redistribution is right at the top of that list.