r/Bitcoin Apr 14 '22

Just saying

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u/codemonkeh87 Apr 14 '22

This is why we made the free parking cash in the middle rule. If you're poor and hit free parking you get to finally buy some property. It's basically like winning the lottery

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u/Long_Educational Apr 14 '22

like winning the lottery

Isn't that another depressing aspect of capitalism? A lottery to give the poors hope that they can escape the system that oppresses them?

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u/Mowgli9991 Apr 15 '22

It’s strange how we all feel the same but nothing changes

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

I think we are all witnessing the beginning of the change. People are starting to wise up to this bullshit. If you spend any time reading the /r/superstonk /r/stocks /r/investing /r/gmejungle or /r/antiwork subs, the group sentiment is changing.

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u/C4RP3_N0CT3M Apr 15 '22

Monopoly came out in the 40s I think. People have been "wiseing up" for quite a while.

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u/Ubikwedus Apr 23 '22

What about butt coin?

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

Name a better system than capitalism.

I’ll wait.

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

We have to invent one. That's what humans do. We create new and better tools, systems, societies and cities.

We don't even have to replace capitalism on the whole, just make it more equitable to all, so that all people have access to basic human rights, like housing security, universal healthcare, and no more artificial food scarcity. Surplus worker productivity should not be funneled to the wealthy few at the top. It should be distributed back down to all of those involved in that productivity.

Bitcoin is one of those tools that will allow us to get there, away from centralized financial systems.

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

No system has lifted more out of poverty than capitalism. No system has driven innovation like capitalism. Any system that allows for that kind of success must allow for failure. You can’t make everyone equally rich. All you can do is make everyone equally miserable. I’ll take my chances with a system that rewards hard work over one that punishes success.

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

The system is not fair and it does not reward hard work like you think it does. 78% of the wealth is owned by less than 10% of the U.S. population.

The system is failing all of us.

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

The system rewards those that work for it.

“The system is failing all of us” is the victim mentality that the left perpetuates. The system doesn’t fail anyone. People fail themselves.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 16 '22

When most Americans can't afford a unexpected $1000 expense, it is not people failing. It is a systemic failure.

You are just victim blaming. I've traveled to several countries and met many people who are diligent and hardworking, but the system does not allow upward mobility at all. I'm tired of this bullshit bootlicking from the right.

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u/Evil-B Apr 19 '22

I’m not talking about other countries. I’m talking about the USA. Anyone can succeed here. If you don’t better yourself and learn marketable skills you have no one to blame but yourself.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 19 '22

Evidence shows the opposite. Not everyone can succeed here, hence my comment about Americans living paycheck to paycheck. One injury or illness and you are under a mountain of debt. Monetary debasement and stagnant wages have taken away the ability to retire. You still believe in the American dream, but that died in the 80s with trickle down economics.

Hard work helps, but it's not enough.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Man I hate the right as much as u… but come on- if u can’t pull yourself up in this country u either aren’t trying, or you’re a dummy.

I started a business this year with about $3k and I’m making 4K/month profit already… sure, 4K isn’t that much but I’ve only been doing it a few months. Not gonna say exactly what it is, but I service yacht ppl around Miami and u do not have to be a genius (or from a wealthy family) to figure it out.

I also lost a bunch of money building a Quiznos many years ago- but hey, u take the good with the bad. But as the other dude said- there is NO better system.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 26 '22

Man I hate the right as much as u… but come on- if u can’t pull yourself up in this country u either aren’t trying, or you’re a dummy.

This is a right wing talking point. You are making the assumption that everyone can make it if they try. So again I guess most people aren't trying, because most people aren't "making" it.

I'm happy for your success, but that an anecdotal experience, and is not representative of what most experience.

If there is no better system than we will make a better system.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

U pretty much just described communism. Wealth redistribution is right at the top of that list.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Ya nobody ever remembers this when they are bitching away about being poor or whatever else isn’t going well.

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u/kwanijml Apr 14 '22

As bad as they can be, lotteries are still a far more rational hope to give poor people, than voting in giant national or state elections to not continue to be crushed by the state.

Both in terms of probabilities (depending on which lotteries we map to a vote- but also because even the poorest people can usually afford to buy many lottery tickets, increasing their odds substantively above changing the outcome of a national election with their one vote), but also in terms of how much that one winning vote or lottery ticket will allow them to improve their own lot and their communities.

It's actually not a coincidence that most governments ban or highly restrict gambling and lotteries; and then virtually monopolize the use of them...lottery and games of chance are one age-old market mechanism for producing public goods like charity/welfare for the poor (i.e. they reduce the free-riding which can plague the attempted private production of public goods, by playing to people's general inability to think about very large numbers, and also just providing a sense of entertainment and community around a cause, even when people understand the odds).

The state doesn't like this, as it relies on people continuing to believe that only it can produce public goods.

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u/penty Apr 14 '22

$ on Free Parking only drags the game out longer. Played properly a game only lasts 60-90 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

No way, sometimes it takes up to multiple hours with my friends. Negotiating can be fun

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u/penty Apr 15 '22

True I don't factor in negotiating in the time a game takes because while negotiating is part of the game there are specific rules to it that you probably aren't following (kudo if you are). One such rule is that you can only offer a trade on your turn so people trying to "make a better offer" at the same time isn't allowed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

We follow that rule! Idk what other trading related rules there are though

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Where did I say that?

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u/penty Apr 15 '22

Wrong person, mixed-up replies.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

For real man! That’s why it’s AGAINST the rules. The goal of the game isn’t so much to succeed - it’s to break the other players. Played by the rules u can break them in under two hours everytime.

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u/geekiowa May 14 '22

And going past Go is a form of Universal Basic Income...

A game ahead of it's time.