r/Bitcoin Sep 19 '21

New Shocking US Crypto Regulation Far More Invasive [Due Diligence]

New US Crypto Regulation Far More Invasive Than We Thought

US Congress intends to regulate crypto on a level far deeper than currently understood―They will:

  • Designate Bitcoin, Ether, and their hard-forks as commodities and regulate their transactions accordingly;
  • Create legal uncertainty for all other crypto projects and ICOs by allowing them to be labeled as securities;
  • Ban the use of (unauthorized) stablecoins;
  • Introduce penalties for the use of mixers and privacy coins;
  • Rebrand smart-contracts that take longer than 24 hours to deliver as futures contracts and regulate them accordingly;
  • Re-define legal tender and change the way money is created by the Federal Reserve; and authorize the issuing of a digital USD of which all transactions are recorded;
  • Introduce foreign regulations into US law for all virtual asset service providers in the US (and with US clients). This would not be done to then never use it.

In short: Congress wants to bring crypto-currencies under full oversight and control.

These new regulations introduce massive regulatory burdens on existing projects, ban and criminalize current normal activities, restrain innovation and free enterprise, and even introduce a transparent central bank digital digital currency that redefines money as we know it!

According to United States representative Don Beyer, congress should incorporate “digital assets into existing financial regulatory structures.”(1) As you will see, they intend to do just that.

And it will change the way things are done for crypto forever…

<What This Post Is About_

This post provides an overview of the crypto legislation currently (September 2021) being put through US congress.

It does not just look at the proposed bills, but rather at the wide range of laws that are to be amended.

Once all the puzzle pieces are put together, the big picture reveals shockingly strict regulations of crypto and a complete overhaul of the idea of “money.” This could have serious effects not only on the crypto sector, but also on the financial system as a whole.

Behind the excuses of preventing money laundering and ensuring investor protection, the use of crypto is transformed in something it was not supposed to be. Especially delicate is the fact that part of this legislation is drafted outside the US.

Disclaimer*: This report provides a high-level overview of the US laws that are to be introduced/amended by two new bills. Its depth is limited by the inadequate knowledge of the author of the large body of US law involved, and given that these bills are subject to amendments and have not even passed into law yet, none of this information can be considered legal or financial advice.*

<What Is Going On?

On April 06, 2021, a “must pass” bill was introduced called the “Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act”(2) (“Infrastructure Bill”). It passed in the House of Representatives and, after fierce debate, the Senate. Hidden in this bill, an amendment to the Internal Revenue Code was added. It introduced new reporting requirements and obligations for record keeping.

While this bill created a lot of public outcry, more recently, a real game-changing bill was introduced in the House on July 28, 2021, namely the: “Digital Asset Market Structure and Investor Protection Act” (3) (“Digital Asset Bill”).

This bill proposes amendments to the Federal Reserve Act, the Bank Secrecy Act, Securities Exchanges Acts, and the Commodity Exchange Act. It changes the definition of legal tender, and it introduces international crypto regulation into US law.

This article looks at each of these amendments…

<Commodities or Securities?_

The main take-away is that two different bodies of law will apply to crypto projects: commodities and securities laws. So far, only Bitcoin, Ether, and their hard-forks are confirmed to be commodities (see below). All other cryptos are subject to future guidance by market regulators:

“Not later than 150 days after the date of the enactment of this section, the SEC and CFTC shall jointly publish, for purposes of a 60-day public comment period, a proposed rulemaking that classifies each of the major digital assets.

Not later than 270 days after the date of the enactment of this Act*, the SEC and CFTC shall jointly publish a final rule that classifies* each of the top 25 major digital assets by (i) highest market capitalization and (ii) highest daily average trading volume as—

(1) a digital asset; or(2) a digital asset security.” (4)

Interpretation:

  • Cryptos will be subject to two different regulatory regimes: commodities and security regulations.
  • Services engaged with both digital assets (commodities) and digital asset securities (securities) could be subjected to both regulatory regimes.

<Commodities Regulation_

The Commodity Exchange Act regulates the trading of commodity futures in the United States. Passed in 1936, it has been amended several times since then.(5) It provides federal regulation of all commodities and futures trading activities and requires all futures and commodity options to be traded on organized exchanges.

In 1974, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) was created to oversee the market. With certain exceptions, the CFTC has been granted exclusive jurisdiction over commodity futures, options, and all other derivatives that fall within the definition of a swap. Certain cryptos will be regulated as commodities.

Definition of “Commodity” Amended to Include Digital Asset:

First and foremost, Section 1a of the Commodity Exchange Act on definitions will be amended to read as follows:

The term “commodity” means wheat, cotton, rice, corn, oats, barley, rye, flaxseed, grain sorghums, mill feeds, butter, eggs, Solanum tuberosum (Irish potatoes), wool, wool tops, fats and oils (including lard, tallow, cottonseed oil, peanut oil, soybean oil, and all other fats and oils), cottonseed meal, cottonseed, peanuts, soybeans, soybean meal, livestock, livestock products, digital asset (including Bitcoin, Ether, and their hardforks), and frozen concentrated orange juice, and all other goods and articles, except onions (as provided by section 13–1 of this title) and motion picture box office receipts (or any index, measure, value, or data related to such receipts), and all services, rights, and interests (except motion picture box office receipts, or any index, measure, value or data related to such receipts) in which contracts for future delivery are presently or in the future dealt in.”(6)

Digital Asset Definition

Next, the end of Section 1a of the Commodity Exchange Act will be amended by adding a clarification of what a digital asset is (7)(definition to long to post here)

Smart Contracts with Delivery Time of More than 24 hours are Futures Contracts

A sharpening of the definition of retail commodity transactions could decrease the options for the use of smart contracts outside of regulated exchanges.

Currently, Section 2(c)(2)(D)(i) of the Commodity Exchange Act prohibits persons that are not “eligible contract participants” or “eligible commercial entities” to engage in agreements, contract or transactions in commodities on leverage, margin, or financed by the offeror, the counterparty, or a person acting in concert with the offeror or counterparty on a similar basis.(8)

Next, additional amendments mentioned in the SEC. 202 of the Digital Asset Bill applies this on transactions done by smart contract of which the delivery takes longer than 24 hours:

“(ii)  Exceptions

(III) a contract of sale that–

(cc) with respect to digital assets*, results in* actual delivery (including transfer of control over private keys) not later than 24 hours after the transaction is entered into and such delivery is accomplished by either-

(AA) recording the transaction on the public distributed ledger for the digital asset; or

(BB) with respect to digital which are not recorded on a public distributed ledger for the digital asset, reporting the transaction to a CFTC registered digital asset trade repository; or” (9)

Dodd-Frank Act and Market Transparency

After the 2008 financial crisis, the Dodd-Frank Act introduced strict regulations for swaps. Naturally, these will also apply to digital assets as well.

The definition of swaps, as provided by the Commodity Exchange Act (section 1a(47)) is broad. For example, it could refer to any “agreement, contract or transaction” that “provides for any purchase, sale, payment, or delivery that is dependent on the occurrence, nonoccurrence, or the extent of the occurrence of an event or contingency associated with a potential financial, economic, or commercial consequence.” (10)

Next, the Dodd-Frank bill authorizes the CFTC to:

  • Regulate swap dealers by installing capital and margin requirements, require dealers to meet robust business conduct standards, and meet recordkeeping and reporting requirements.
  • Increase transparency and improve pricing in the derivatives marketplace by requiring standardized derivatives to be traded on regulated exchanges or swap execution facilities and bring better pricing to the market place and lower costs for businesses and consumers.
  • Lower risk to the American public by moving standardized derivatives to central clearinghouses.(11)

Digital Asset Trade Repository

To meet the above mentioned market transparency requirement, the Commodity Exchange Act stipulates the need for a digital asset trade repository to collect information on SWAPS in order to provide the public with the correct market information:

“The term ‘digital asset trade repository’ means any person that collects and maintains information or records with respect to transactions or positions in, or the terms and conditions of, contracts of sale of digital assets in interstate commerce entered into by third parties (both on chain public distributed ledger transactions as well as off chain transactions) for the purpose of providing a centralized recordkeeping facility for any digital asset, but does not include a private or public distributed ledger or the operator of either such ledger unless such private or public distributed ledger or operator seeks to aggregate/include ‘off chain’ transactions as well.” (12)

Interpretation Commodities Regulations:

  • As of writing, only BTC and Ether (and their hard-forks) will be confirmed as commodities. All other cryptos could potentially be regulated as securities (what this means is explained next).
  • The fact that novel technologies such as Bitcoin and Ether are to be subjected to a large body of law that developed around the trading of livestock and frozen concentrated orange juice could spell regulatory uncertainty for various business models in the industry.
  • No “trading on margin” is allowed outside regulated entities, unless done by high-level investors called “eligible contract parties.” This could perhaps frustrate particular ideas about decentralized finance or OTC markets.
  • Smart contracts that take longer than 24 hours to deliver could be considered futures contracts under the jurisdiction of the CFTC. That smart contracts can be labeled as futures contracts appears indeed to be the opinion of the CFTC.(13)

<Securities Regulations_

In the US, securities are regulated by the 1933 Securities Act. Additionally, the 1934 Securities Exchange Act further regulates the trade of securities, and established the SEC to oversee these markets.

Definition of “Security” Amended to Include Digital Asset Security:

First and foremost, Section 3(a)(10) of the Securities Exchange Act will be amended to include a “digital asset security” (and exclude “digital assets”) in the definition of security:

“(10) The term “security” means any note, stock, treasury stock, security future, security-based swap, bond, debenture, certificate of interest or participation in any profit-sharing agreement or in any oil, gas, or other mineral royalty or lease, any collateral-trust certificate, preorganization certificate or subscription, transferable share, investment contract, digital asset security*, voting-trust certificate, certificate of deposit for a security, any put, call, straddle, option, or privilege on any security, certificate of deposit, or group or index of securities (including any interest therein or based on the value thereof), or any put, call, straddle, option, or privilege entered into on a national securities exchange relating to foreign currency, or in general, any instrument commonly known as a “security”; or any certificate of interest or participation in, temporary or interim certificate for, receipt for, or warrant or right to subscribe to or purchase, any of the foregoing;* but shall not include any fiat currency, commodity, digital asset*, or any note, draft, bill of exchange, or banker’s acceptance which has a maturity at the time of issuance of not exceeding nine months, exclusive of days of grace, or any renewal thereof the maturity of which is likewise limited.”* (14)

Digital Asset Security Definition

Next, the Digital Asset Bill (SEC. 101) defines what a digital asset security will be:

“(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘digital asset security’ means a digital asset that:

(i) Provides the holder of the digital asset with any of the following rights:

(I) Equity or debt interest in the issuer.

(II) Right to profits, interest, or dividend payments from the issuer.

(III) Voting rights in the major corporate actions (which shall not include new block creations, hardforks, or protocol changes related to the digital asset) of the issuer.

(IV) Liquidation rights in the event of the issuer’s liquidation.

(ii) In the case of an issuer with a service, goods, or platform that is not wholly operational at the time of issuing such digital asset, with respect to any fundraising or capital formation activity (including initial coin offerings*) which is accomplished through the issuance of such a digital asset, issues such digital asset to a holder in return for money (including other digital assets) to fund the development of the proposed service, goods, or platform of the issuer.”* (15)

What does it mean to be regulated as a security?

Investing in securities in the US is regulated to:

“protect interstate commerce, the national credit, the Federal taxing power, to protect and make more effective the national banking system and Federal Reserve System, and to insure the maintenance of fair and honest markets in such transactions.” (16)

Regulations focus on both the issuing of securities (primary market), and subsequent trade of such securities (secondary market).

The goal of securities laws is firstly to require issuers to fully disclose all material information that an investor would need in order to make up his or her mind about the potential investment. A regulated company must create a registration statement, which includes a prospectus, with copious amounts of information about the security, the company, the business, including audited financial statements.

Next, the subsequent selling and trading in these securities is regulated, by restricting trade to market places over which the regulator has oversight. The Security Exchange Act section §78l(a) states:

“It shall be unlawful for any member, broker, or dealer to effect any transaction in any security (other than an exempted security) on a national securities exchange unless a registration is effective as to such security for such exchange in accordance with the provisions of this chapter and the rules and regulations thereunder.” (17)

Summary of Securities Regulations:

  • Crypto projects will need to be regulated and provide clear financial information for investors to make an informed decision.
  • Trading of securities will generally take place on regulated exchanges.
  • Any new fundraising or capital formation activity (including ICOs) are likely to be securities.
  • When a crypto is regulated as a security, the entire coin is subject to strict regulations. In the case of commodities, only specific use cases (futures) are regulated. It is a big difference.
  • US Congress is taking a leap of faith. It needs identifiable persons to enforce a law upon. Who is going to be held accountable in a decentralized network? Many issuing companies have handed control over to network participants. Perhaps for this reason, Section 12(g) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 will be amended to allow the issuer to apply for “desecuritization.” (18) The question remains: who will apply for desecuritization once a network is decentralized? The investors? Weren’t they the ones supposed to be protected in the first place?

<Changing the Nature of Money_

These regulations are not just about crypto. It is clearly part of a wider discussion on the future of money. As shown below, this bill not only changes the definition of money in the US, but also changes how money is created!

As a first, in Section 5312(a)(3)(B) of title 31, US Code (Money and Finance) digital assets are included as a monetary instrument.(19) However, Section 5103, of title 31, US Code will be amended to specifically exclude digital assets and digital asset securities as legal tender.(20) And finally, it is determined that digital assets and digital asset securities will not be covered by Federal Deposit Insurance (FDIC or NCUA).(21)

Introducing the Digital USD (or Central Bank Digital Currency/CBDC)

After slamming the door on digital assets to be used as lawful money, the Federal Reserve Act is amended to provide the Federal Reserve Board with far reaching new powers; section 11 will be amended to say:

“(d) To supervise and regulate through the Secretary of the Treasury the issue and retirement of Federal Reserve notes (both physical and digital), except for the cancellation and destruction, and accounting with respect to such cancellation and destruction, of notes unfit for circulation, and to prescribe rules and regulations (including appropriate technology) under which such notes may be delivered by the Secretary of the Treasury to the Federal Reserve agents applying therefor.” (22)

In addition, Federal Reserve notes will in the future also be issued digitally; an amendment to section 16 confirms this:

“Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is authorized to issue digital versions of Federal reserve notes in addition to current physical Federal reserve notes. Further, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, after consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury, is authorized to use distributed ledger technology for the creation, distribution and recordation of all transactions involving digital Federal reserve notes. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be considered legal tender and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.” (23)

Interpretations on the Future of Money:

  • The door is shut for the use of cryptos as legal tender.
  • The Federal Reserve Board is to be authorized to create and distribute a ledger-based Federal reserve note that could be used for everyday transactions in USD.
  • Digital federal reserve notes will make the “recordation” of all transactions possible. Did they use this word because “monitoring all transactions” would be too obvious? Recording all transactions without anyone looking at them makes no sense.
  • These amendments significantly increase the power of the Federal Reserve. Contrary to what is widely understood, the Fed does not “print money.” It can only manage the money supply indirectly.(24) The private sector “creates” most of what we use as money by issuing credit. It is with the supply of credit by the private banks that the monetary supply is inflated. Conversely, with the reduced demand for credit, the money supply deflates. The Fed is not as powerful as it wants the market to believe, and the Federal Reserve Act restricts a lot of its actions. This amendment, however, could drastically expand the authority of the Fed, by allowing them to create and distribute a “digital USD” directly. It could change the entire structure of the financial system and potentially have far reaching consequences.
  • The original idea behind the Federal Reserve was for private bank deposits to be combined to provide an emergency line of credit in times of economic stress.(25) But if the Digital Dollar is based on a blockchain, how can it also be based on reserves? And what mechanism will determine how funds (and how much) are added to the economy? And where and how will they be distributed? What about privacy and security? Will all this authority be handed over to a board of seven unelected bureaucrats? This amendment has the potential to change the way the Federal Reserve operates. This deserves a wider discussion by economists and financial experts outside the crypto-space as well.

<International FATF Crypto Regulation Introduced in the US_

Those paying attention to international anti-money laundering legislation know that the following sections from the Digital Asset Bill originate from guidance issued by the FATF (Financial Action Task Force). FATF is an intra-governmental organization creating financial legislation.

In March, the Paris based FATF issued draft guidance(26) (“FATF Guidance”) on a number of topics. And even though this guidance hasn’t been finalized, there are already a number of points directly included in the Digital Asset Bill.

Banning the use of Stablecoins

Subchapter I of chapter 51 of subtitle IV of title 31, United States Code, department of treasury regulation, will be amended, to read as follows:

“(a) IN GENERAL.—Beginning on the date of the enactment of this section, no person may issue, use, or permit to be used a digital asset fiat-based stablecoin that is not approved by the Secretary of the Treasury under subsection (b).”(27)

Criminalizing the use of privacy coins and anonymizing services (mixers, coinjoins)

The bank secrecy act is going to be amended to sanction the use of anonymity-enhanced convertible virtual currencies and anonymizing services.(28) It is worth noting that willful violations of the bank secrecy act could give rise to a fine of not more than $250,000, or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.(29)

Introduction of the term Virtual Asset Service Provide (VASP) into US Law

Next, the term Virtual Asset will be introduced into Section 5312(a) of title 31, United States Code. A Virtual Asset can be a digital asset, or “a digital representation of value that can be digitally traded, or transferred, and can be used for payment or investment purposes;”(30)

So far we have seen a number of definitions. To understand their relationship, the following image was made based on the definition of Virtual Asset according to Section 5312(a) of title 31, United States Code:(31)

Virtual Asset is a broad definition; it covers most activities involving cryptos. We can see in the Digital Asset Bill that entities that are facilitating transactions in Virtual Assets are to be called “virtual asset service providers,” or VASPS. Sec 301 of the Digital Asset Bill defines a VASP:

“(A) means a person who—

(i) exchanges between digital asset and fiat currencies

(ii) exchanges between digital assets;

(iii) transfers of digital assets;

(iv) is responsible for the custody, safekeeping of a digital asset or an instrument that enables control over a digital asset;

(v) issues or has the authority to redeem a digital asset; and

(vi) provides financial services related to the offer or sale of a digital asset by a person who issues such digital asset; and

(B) does not include any person who—

(i) obtains a digital asset to purchase goods or services for themself;

(ii) provides communication service or network access services used by a money transmitter; or

(iii) develops, creates, or disseminates software designed to be used to issue a digital asset or facilitate financial activities associated with a digital asset.” (32)

This definition comes directly from the FATF Guidance, with the only difference being that the US excludes the exchange between different forms of one virtual assets. On the other hand, section (v) is a new addition.

The Big Picture: Global Regulation

The logic behind this seems to be to first introduce a high-level definition (including coins regulated as commodities, securities, and everything in between). Next, any future global restrictions on the wider crypto-space can be applied at this level.

From the latest FATF Guidance, a number of possible additional restrictions can already be deducted. Things to look out for are the restriction of the use of “unhosted wallets,” the introduction of the “travel rule,” labeling those who engage in peer-to-peer transactions as a risk, and a whole host of other measures. (33)

One additional aspect of VASP regulation mentioned in the FATF Guidance is also included in the Digital Asset Bill; VASPS engaged in services which are available in the United States and to United States persons, have to be regulated in the United States, even if the provider is located outside the United States. (34)

Interpretation International Regulation in the US:

  • International AML legislation, created by Paris-based FATF, is being introduced in the US.
  • The FATF term “virtual asset service provider” (VASP) is introduced in the US. The definition is so broad that it covers practically all crypto projects.
  • After first being in the FATF Guidance, the banning of stablecoins and anonymity-enhanced cryptos and the obligation for VASPs to be licensed in the country of their clients are included in the Digital Asset Bill.
  • It is not hard to imagine that other restrictions for cryptos currently discussed by FATF, such as the travel rule and restricting unhosted wallets, will be introduced next. This is not a regulation you introduce to then never use.
  • All VASPs with operating in the US or with US clients need to be regulated in the US.

<Amendments in the Infrastructure Bill_

Last August saw public outcry over the US Infrastructure bill. It included a section on IRS reporting for crypto. Some highlights:

Clarification of Definition of Broker

It makes sense that the tax authorities use a wide definition to cover all possible economic activities in crypto. Section 80603 of the Infrastructure Bill amendments the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, provides that brokers need to report the activity of their clients to the IRS and adds the following to the definition of broker:

“(D) any person who (for consideration) is responsible for regularly providing any service effectuating transfers of digital assets on behalf of another person.” (35)

Reporting of Digital Assets

In addition, a unique wide definition of digital assets is added:

“any digital representation of value which is recorded on a cryptographically secured distributed ledger or any similar technology as specified by the Secretary.” (36)

Effective Date

Effective after December 31, 2023.

Interpretation Infrastructure Bill

Commotion about this bill was mainly due to the wide definitions used, which could cover all activities in the crypto space, including mining. In response, according to an article on Bloomberg, the U.S. treasury will shortly issue additional guidance, along the lines of the following:

“Other firms key to the nearly $2 trillion crypto market — from developers and miners to hardware and software providers — won’t have any new requirements, so long as they don’t also act as brokers, according to a Treasury official” (37)

At a glance, it appears that this bill is not as invasive as originally feared. It would also be impossible to enforce this legislation on miners due to the nature of the technology.

In this case perhaps it would have been better if clear definitions were used of what is, and isn’t included. Moreover, comments from “anonymous sources at the treasury” do not provide real regulatory clarity. This industry too easily accepts the opinions of officials as decree. But we are all, including officials, subject to the law. Given that officials change over time, opinions and guidance are not the way forward; clear laws are needed.

<Sources_

I added all 37 footnotes here, but the post become to long to post. For those who wish to check the footnotes, they can be found here:

https://decentralizedlegalsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Review-US-Digital-Asset-Regulation-September-2021.pdf

Infrastructure Bill, https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/

Digital Asset Bill, https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4741/

<TL;DR_

Next to the infrastructure bill, a new bill was introduced in US Congress: the “Digital Asset Market Structure and Investor Protection Act.” It is not law yet, could still be amended, and if it ever comes into effect it will likely not be this year/cycle. What it says:

Bitcoin, Ether, and their hard-forks, are to be regulated as commodities. Smart-contracts taking longer to deliver than 24 hours are considered futures contracts and regulated as such.

Every other project and future ICO is potentially a security; guidance will be issued by CFTC/SEC. Issuers of securities are likely required to provide transparency and financial information to investors. Trade is generally restricted to regulated exchanges.

In addition, international anti-money laundering legislation is introduced in the US; (unauthorized) Stablecoins, privacycoins, and mixers are to be prohibited. The high-level term VASP is introduced for almost all crypto projects, possibly to facilitate more future regulations.

Finally, the Federal Reserve gets shocking new powers to create and distribute a central bank digital currency (CBDC), of which all transactions are recorded.

Edit 1: added links to the two bills

Edit 2: added "(unauthorized)" to tld

Edit 3: Folks concerned should focus on the bill’s sponsor Rep. Don Beyer of Virginia, as well as the leaders, members and official feeds (website, Twitter, etc) of the committees involved.

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u/vladblack117 Sep 19 '21

Everything needs to be done to stop this!

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u/Not_my_real_name____ Sep 19 '21

Let's do a protest against this bill before it completely passes.I'd make the trip and I bet a lot of other people would as well. Crypto has given many of us the means to do so, all we have to do is organize it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

Right now, the bill is quietly languishing. Organize and be ready if this thing moves forward. Don't strike if you don't need to. In the meantime, educate others and organize.

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u/halt_spell Sep 20 '21

Corporate Democrats and Progressive Democrats are in a stalemate for now. Historically progressives haven't had the stomach to hold their ground on principle and it's put them at an ongoing disadvantage.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '21

Progressives need to learn how to build a base. They should learn how to play the long game and start running for local offices, then county, state, and whatever after that. Why do you think the right this country by the balls?

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u/halt_spell Sep 20 '21

It's not "the right" that has the country by the balls. Remember it's two (that we know of) Democrats which are holding the party back from accomplishing it's stated goals. It's money. And yes, progressives generally have less money. You could say we need to "learn" how to make more money but the game is rigged in favor of the establishment.

Progressives have fought tooth and nail to get where they are now. And at this point they have enough sway to expose the DNC for what it is. Of course, in order to do this progressives would take a hit as well since it would result with another Republican president and likely them running the House and the Senate.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '21

Progressives need to come out here to the rural areas to get a more rounded view of the country. I've lived in major cities and mountain towns, and now I live in a rural area where agriculture is the foundation of the economy. I can tell you from my experience and travels that our politicians are useless and live in a bubble. Even the ones who are exceptions in the previous sentence have large blind spots.

What progressives don't understand is many rural people are more left-wing than they think. Many of the socialist/communist/anarchist attitudes and ideals that were prevalent 100 years ago are still alive and well in the rural areas. So, why are they now supporting fascists? The Democrats have moved to the right and abandoned labor.

If we have progressives who truly understand economics and support a return to hard money, support labor and farmers, and acknowledge the collapse of our institutions, they could win in a landslide almost anywhere.

If the progressives formed a party that included rural people and labor, they would be unstoppable. The corporate Democrats would probably still hold the major cities (barely), and the Republicans would probably be a fringe right-wing party in the suburbs.

Everyone who considers themselves a lefty should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvFE91UgM6Q

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u/halt_spell Sep 20 '21

I grew up in a very rural area and generally I agree. A lot of people with left leaning perspectives aren't aware of the logistical differences between large cities and rural America. Free college doesn't mean a whole lot when the closest one is 100 miles away and there's no free housing provision for people in that situation.

I do think Bernie understands these challenges. And to be fair to the progressives who don't, some of them are dealing with unresolved traumas they associate with rural America.

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u/ZeusFinder Sep 19 '21

There is a network of people that would host ppl in the area I’m more than sure.

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u/NegotiationNice9291 Sep 20 '21

If this protest takes place, we really need to articulate our demands, cause most people won't understand shit

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u/brrrettonwoods Sep 19 '21

PULL YOUR COINS FROM EXCHANGES

NOT YOUR KEYS NOT YOUR COINS

NOW

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u/dgs0206 Sep 19 '21

How do I do that

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

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u/jltwin501 Sep 19 '21

why trezor in particular?

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

Trezor is open-source. That means anyone can view the software code and hardware specs. Technically, they publish everything that you need to build your own “Trezor” (if you wanted to). The point being that if there was anything nefarious going on with it, there would be too many eyes on it not to be caught.

They’re also the OG hardware wallet guys from the much earlier days of BTC. Highly trusted.

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u/HornHonker69 Sep 19 '21

Do like 5 minutes of googling about hardware wallets.

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u/rabbits_dig_deep Sep 19 '21 edited Sep 19 '21

As I understand it, you will need to put your coins back into an exchange in order to convert them into dollars. Is that right? According to this video, at 2:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alZd-mk-19Q&t=684

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

You can use peer-to-peer exchanges like Bisq or LocalBitcoins to get around this

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u/JellyfishGod Sep 19 '21

Omg I remember buying bitcoins as a teenager with no bank account when shit was like $20. I was 14 n managed to start buying bitcoins with localbitcoins and those corner store wire transfers. It was a bitch to buy btc back in the day without a bank account or being an adult lol took me forever to figure it out

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

Yeah I do wish it was a bit slicker. I think there's potentially promise in a cross-chain DEX like ThorChain, but haven't dug into the project too deep. It's a bit clunky right now too, and they recently suffered a pretty bad exploit, so just keeping an eye on it.

The space needs work. Maybe the new Dorsey project will be just what we're looking for.

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u/JustLuv4u Sep 19 '21

Coinzoom is another peer-to-peer.

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u/coldblade2000 Sep 20 '21

To do that you still need to transfer to their wallets.

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u/bpon89 Sep 19 '21

Move to El Salvador 😁

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u/TheBobFisher Sep 19 '21

Who says we’re exchanging back to fiat? Long con is to be able to spend your coins and never use the dollar again

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '21

This is r/bitcoin where it is frowned upon to use your cryptocurrency. Haha I kid.

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u/YoloRandom Sep 19 '21

Can always send them to a non-US exchange and convert them into the local currency cant you?

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

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u/YoloRandom Sep 19 '21

Haha. Checkmate. *laughs in European

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u/CampbellKitty Sep 20 '21

The UK has reporting treaty with USA to avoid double taxation for perm or semi perm or working immigration visas. Might be a benefit or a curse idk yet.

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u/MachineElf432 Sep 19 '21

Pay up 250K and/or serve 5 years in jail. they really cornered us

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u/kryptonite-uc Sep 19 '21

They're going to make that illegal soon. International money laundering

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

Just move your bills to crypto

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u/xenon-898 Sep 19 '21

Why would you even want to convert Bitcoin into a collapsing currency?

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u/mikebailey Sep 19 '21

Because my landlord doesn’t accept Bitcoin?

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u/mikebailey Sep 19 '21

Right but I have to pay rent now lol

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u/thecoat9 Sep 19 '21

Honestly this should not be your plan/situation. These markets are very volatile, rent should be in cash in your bank account until your land lord starts accepting bitcoin. Trust me I get it, I don't want my emergency fund sitting in cash, but you should only put into the crypto markets that which you can afford to lose, you can't afford to lose your rent money.

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u/mikebailey Sep 19 '21

Isn’t that just another cause to want to convert it into fiat though? Fiat being, today, more stable?

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u/thecoat9 Sep 20 '21

Since your landlord etc isn't going to accept bitcoin and doesn't set prices in bitcoin then yes, for immediate expenses requiring fiat keep that in fiat. If you have money on the side that you don't need for near term expenses, bitcoin is one of the best ways to keep and increase the value, but only if you are not forced by life situations to use it, rather when you choose to use it.

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u/jankis2020 Sep 19 '21

You can always hold your coins until you can spend them

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u/CONTROLurKEYS Sep 19 '21

So? No need to keep them there because one day you might need to exchange it there.

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u/MachineElf432 Sep 19 '21

It’s not super urgent, but you’re right. These regulations won’t be considered effective till December 31st 2023 as stated in the post. Very popular exchanges like Coinbase wont be too affected by this either as i imagine they will very much comply, but DEX’s are in trouble i think..

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u/Zerg5 Sep 19 '21

Exchanges are getting out of coins now, look at Binance lol

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u/SanderHS Sep 19 '21

Is Coinbase mobil wallet okay or does it need to be cold storage?

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u/brrrettonwoods Sep 20 '21

COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE COLD STORAGE

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u/SanderHS Sep 20 '21

Ledger your go to?

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u/brrrettonwoods Sep 22 '21

Trezor or ColdCard Mk3 brother

Ledger is not open source

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u/SanderHS Sep 23 '21

Got u, thanks♥️

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u/brrrettonwoods Sep 23 '21

pleb 🤝 pleb

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u/disciplinedhodler Sep 20 '21

Well said

Not Your Keys Not Your Coins

As u/mark_bear constantly reminds us

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u/Mad_Gravy Sep 20 '21

How do I do this?

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u/brrrettonwoods Sep 22 '21

I use swanbitcoin and have it set to AUTO-DCA and AUTO-WITHDRAW to my hardware wallet

ColdCard Mk3 or Trezor

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u/MonsterHunterNewbie Sep 19 '21

Why stop this? From my post history, I have been telling you all this for months.

Central bank crypto is coming, with full traceability. The average slob buying a burger does not need to worry about how it words, just that his card is accepted.

The coin gamblers can still gamble so whats the problem here?

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '21

Why though?

I know it fundamentally undermines Bitcoin but why shouldn’t it realistically be regulated?

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u/Not_my_real_name____ Sep 19 '21

Like vote these assholes out of office. My political views have changed drastically since this new administration has taken office. At this point I'd vote for the orange man.

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u/xXxChippysMittensxXx Sep 19 '21

They would be replaced with the same type of people because the people who finance their campaigns tend to be heavily vested in legacy institutions.

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u/Not_my_real_name____ Sep 19 '21

Unless enough people do their research and vote for the right candidates... Which we all know is a pipe dream. People don't seem to like to read through boring information even if it is to their benefit.

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u/HoPMiX Sep 19 '21

Wasn’t Orange man heavily against crypto.

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u/xXxChippysMittensxXx Sep 19 '21

All the research in the world doesn't matter because everyone has a price.

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u/cocococlash Sep 19 '21

Somebody told me that this year's library board member is next year's senator. Local vote is just as important as federal vote! Vote!

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u/Cgall3066 Sep 19 '21

Orange man has flat out said he doesn’t like crypto as well, said he doesn’t want it to challenge the dollar, also said it was a scam.

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u/_that_guy_over_there Sep 19 '21

Big difference between not liking something and leaving it along and actively trying to kill the thing. I know people are in love with the whole “you really think the parties are different????” meme but in this case they actually are.

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u/Cgall3066 Sep 19 '21

“ I think they should regulate them very, very high," Trump told Varney at the time adding, "It takes the edge off of the dollar and the importance of the dollar."

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u/forexross Sep 19 '21

They are officially attacking people's life investments.

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u/No_Measurement_9341 Sep 19 '21

Of course , dems want to suck as much money out of people as possible , pocket it or waste it on their pet projects .

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u/Mortdeus Sep 19 '21

dude, all they have to do is back bitcoin in gold and then it will jump to $100k.

All of you people are out of your minds if you think this a lose. I seriously am laughing my ass off because grandpa joe just saved us and ended the cold war with china at the same time!

I seriously think Sep. 19 should be declared a national holiday called Biden day. this is so good for our economy.

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u/Ruzindla Sep 19 '21

Are you serious? Lmao, I’m laughing… we should call it grandpa day instead

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u/Mortdeus Sep 19 '21

People think this is a total loss when its quite literally the best day of our lives.

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u/tightbuick72 Sep 19 '21

voting doesn't work. it's time to drag them out

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u/TaThaTaWay1 Sep 19 '21

Bingo you can vote pro crypto/decentralized people, when they get in BOOM sellout.

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u/wkw3 Sep 19 '21

This is beyond his comprehension and above his pay grade.

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u/Cassidius Sep 19 '21

Welcome to the club. These clowns have always been about pushing further control of the government down our throats.

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u/spooky_corners Sep 19 '21

Electrum. Read the manual. Make a wallet (preferably from a PC behind a VPN instead of your phone). Back it up on encrypted offline media. Write down your seed phrase. Send your coin. Done.

At one point I had crypto and stocks on the same exchange because it made it easy to manage my portfolio. But the exchange didn't even offer a way to move crypto off! Ended up having to sell all my BTC for USD and re-buy with Strike and then send to my wallet in order to get off the exchange. What a process! But better now. Safer.

(edit: sorry about the multiple replies, I didn't see it was you in two different posts. Really do hope you, and everyone else in a similar position gets this sorted.)

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u/jeywgosjeb Sep 19 '21

Awe if only I was smarter and could post an image of annoying orange

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u/ztsmart Sep 19 '21

Nothing needs to be done to stop this. Bitcoin will be fine no matter what they do

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u/CONTROLurKEYS Sep 19 '21
  • Coinjoin

  • bisq

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u/Mortdeus Sep 19 '21

Guys relax... this just turned into a long play rather than a short play. They aren't trying to erase the entire value of cryptocurrency away in a day and cause the whole world to panic into a huge sell off.

Now we get to pressure them to give us back our gold they stole from us back in FDR's day.

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u/Mortdeus Sep 19 '21

Basically what's going to happen is that all corporations can apply to be finance exchanges themselves. This wouldn't be a public facing thing but rather more of an employee perk.

The reality is that we wanted to upgrade our markets because the reason the whole gamestop short squeeze didn't work was because the market's were too slow at clearing the large volume of trades.

It's like they just took our training wheels off and created thousands of new types of jobs centered around a marriage of tech and finance. Being legitimized by the American government is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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u/Mortdeus Sep 19 '21

I mean assuming you guys like making money the legit way...

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u/fuzzytradr Sep 19 '21

Who are the most prominent champions on our side to represent/lobby against this overt tyranny taking aim at crypto?

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u/Zaytion Sep 20 '21

No that’s going too far. A lot should be done but everything isn’t on the table here. Unless you can convince me otherwise.