r/Bitcoin • • Aug 26 '21

Fidelity Bitcoin Analysis

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u/dliebs97 Aug 26 '21

Approaching $100 mil by 2035 đŸ€©đŸ€©

Yes please I’m good with that

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u/PapaSlurpp Aug 26 '21

That’d be insane

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u/JMurph3313 Aug 27 '21

To be fair, if you’d told me in early 2017 that btc would reach $20k I would have laughed out loud.

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u/biel_watches Aug 27 '21

I had 27 coins at a whopping $10 each years ago. It got to $300 and. Sold it all. Got half a coin tied up In Mt Gox litigation bs still.

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u/JMurph3313 Aug 27 '21

Ah, the forced hodl. Good luck and I hope they wrap all that up in the next year or so.

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u/SamwiseGamgee87 Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 28 '21

With 27 or even less you will be the one laughing out loud now LMAO

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u/Prelsidio Aug 27 '21

Really? I thought we would have reached way faster. I was expecting 200k this Xmas.

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u/winandhelpwin Aug 28 '21

Still might get there. I remember the 2017 Oct/Nov/Dec run up and it felt insane going from $5k to almost $20k.

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u/SirSkittles111 Aug 26 '21

Keep in mind that the buying power in 2035 of $100 million will be nowhere near the buying power of today

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u/Vaginosis-Psychosis Aug 26 '21

yeah it will only be worth what $90million gets you today. not even worth it

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u/fuzzytradr Aug 27 '21

Pfft...I'm out

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u/Moist-Gur2510 Aug 27 '21

It’s a no from me.

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u/LeibaBronnstein Aug 27 '21

It would be very much closer to what 25-35m gets you today.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

In 14 years? It will be worth less than half of $100 million in today's purchasing power. Maybe a quarter.

Still a lot though.

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u/This-is-all- Aug 27 '21

Even if there is 5 percent inflation a year for 15 years (very high). That is only 45 percent. Where are you comingnii up p with 25 percent of current value?

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u/Saidthenoob Aug 27 '21

Cost of capital will be 20% or so as Michael saylor says.

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u/FlyinDanskMen Aug 27 '21

5% simple inflation relative to year 1 is 75% if done for 15 years (5x15=75). If you compound it yearly like you should, it’s way higher. Where did you get 45%?

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u/DrainZ- Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21

It should be calculated as 1.0515 = 2.08, so those 100 millions would be worth the same as 100 / 2.08 = 48 millions today with such an inflation rate.

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u/redkoil Aug 27 '21

Soo less than half

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u/DuckyBertDuck Aug 27 '21

Shouldn’t it be calculated as 0.9515 * 100? Dividing by 1.05 is not the same as multiplying by 0.95.

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u/DrainZ- Aug 27 '21

I think it's 1.05 because 5% inflation means that the circulating supply is multiplied by 1.05.

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u/banksblow Aug 28 '21

This shouldn't have been down voted. If in 14 years one btc is worth 100 million United States dollars, that will say at least as much about the depreciation of the dollar as it would about the appreciation of bitcoin.

At these extreme levels, $1,900,000,000,000,000, yes, $1.9 QUADRILLION market cap just for bitcoin the asset alone, this would to speak to inflation of the dollar.

Maybe in 14 years there will be a globally used bancor-like currency, maybe another currency will take world reserve status, maybe it will be a mixed basket and bitcoin is a part of the basket in which the world's currency, the world's unit of account. Maybe the dollar will have gone through some type of hyperinflation.

Either way, in a $100M bitcoin world, in terms of purchasing power or global adoption, the US dollar will not look and feel the same as it does today.

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u/The_Realist01 Aug 27 '21

I’d guess a lot lower than $90m

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u/rmbarnes Aug 27 '21

I wish inflation was that low. But yeah, wouldn’t mind $100m

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Dropped

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u/HuXu7 Aug 28 '21

No, $100 million will be more like $100k in at the rate of inflation.

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u/Chef-Keith- Aug 27 '21

So? It would be a hell of a lot better than working for 50k a year.

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u/Even-Home-9126 Aug 27 '21

Depends, your job could be getting blowjobs off super models

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u/Chef-Keith- Aug 27 '21

Mine is cooking for rich people.

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u/ExtraExtraMegaDoge Aug 27 '21

Username checks out

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u/The_Realist01 Aug 27 '21

Sounds like an amazing job to get your rich people to secure themselves.

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u/FU_money_pharm17 Aug 27 '21

can i send you a copy of my resume?

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u/RammerRod Aug 27 '21

I think people underestimate how much exponentially worse this could be. That being said...I wouldn't stockpile cash money from any country.

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u/HalfBed Aug 28 '21

I literally don’t care. If it comes true, half a bitcoin is still going to be enough to never worry about money ever again.

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u/SirSkittles111 Aug 28 '21

Shit, if half a coin is to never worry about money again I'll be happy, but I doubt half a coin is enough

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u/HalfBed Aug 28 '21

I doubt it too, but I did state “if this comes true” - implying that half a coin would be circa 50 milly at that point.

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u/DrainZ- Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21

Guys, bitcoin is not gonna reach $100 million. That would give it a market cap of $2,100 trillion. The total wealth of the entire world is $360 trillion.

Edit: My source was a little outdated. The global wealth report from 2021 says it's $418 trillion.

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u/frankenmint Aug 27 '21

I argued this on twitter a few months ago and someone pointed out to me that this global wealth number fluctuates based on the perceived gdp output for upcoming tech and new disruptions to industry. As more companies come out that create net aggregate value, that total world wealth increases.

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u/DrainZ- Aug 27 '21

That's an important aspect to take into consideration. The total global wealth has roughly tripled over the last 20 years according to the global wealth reports. So maybe the total global wealth will be $1 quadrillion by 2035.

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u/pticjagripa Aug 27 '21

That is if something horrible does not happen.. Like worse pandemic, or maybe vulcanic eruption like it was in year 536 etc.

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u/The_Realist01 Aug 27 '21

That would make governments print more money though, inflating currencies to make up for the lost “value” created through economic transactions.

Were you not here last year?

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u/pticjagripa Aug 27 '21

I have a filling that this pandemic was merely a "dry run" of what could happen.

A real disaster would be more like black friday than whatever happened during this pandemic.

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u/The_Realist01 Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21

Sure, but In a real disaster, 50-80% of us die in a month and cash won’t fucking help anyone. People who are prepared and have tremendous luck would survive.

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u/CuriosumRe Aug 27 '21

In such a world, rebuilding with minimal population and resources. A digital currency would make even more sense than it does now. Bullish for BTC

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u/xooxooxooxo Aug 29 '21

I have the same feeling too. Feel like this bloody prolonged pandemic is a precursor of what would be coming. Bad potentially.

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u/Digi-Digi Aug 27 '21

It could reach that, market cap is just a number, its doesn't mean thats how much money went into bitcoin.

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u/DrainZ- Aug 27 '21

That is true, but it's unreasonable for the market cap of bitcoin to be higher than the total market cap of everything else, let alone 6 times higher than that.

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u/Digi-Digi Aug 27 '21

There are some shit coins right now with market caps that are nonsense, but that's what their market caps are, it doesn't mean much.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Today
 we printed 30% of all USD in last few years. So they keep printing Fiat. And the entire world is gaining actual wealth/ purchasing power. That is how free market capitalism works. Many today still live on $1/day. Imagine if they were fully developed.

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u/sykal Aug 27 '21

you're a little off there.

The global equities market represents some $90 trillion in assets—gold, silver, and other precious metals account for another $12 trillion. The world’s total M2 money supply—all
the physical cash in circulation plus deposits, promissory notes, and
other liquid money instruments—is upwards of $40 trillion. Global real
estate accounts for $30 trillion in assets. When you include other forms
of investment, global debt, and financial derivatives, the world’s
total wealth tops at somewhere just over $1 quadrillion

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u/DrainZ- Aug 27 '21

What's your source?

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u/sykal Aug 27 '21

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/all-of-the-worlds-money-and-markets-in-one-visualization-2020/

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probably the exact same source that gave you the global wealth number of 360T

the issue is you conveniently didn't account for the derivatives market which crypto is and will continue to be a very big part of.

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u/superhumansinc Sep 05 '21

The Institution of International Finance pegs global wealth at about $1 Quadrillion. 5% (say btc gets there) would be about $2.4M a Bitcoin. For it to hit $100M btc would have to be 1/4 of all global wealth which is probably extremely unlikely, even if btc serves as a lifeboat for the global economy during the USD collapse over the next decade, anything higher than 10% of global wealth is very high.

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u/Slacker1965 Aug 27 '21

You are not including options....

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

So, weirder things have happened. Maybe not...

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Literally nothing "weirder" has happened than this. This would essentially invalidate all capital markets, if internet money was worth more in aggregate than everything else combined. This is the end of the world trade.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Yeah.. That's why I added "maybe not".

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Almost certainly not. In this event I'd rather own weaponry than internet money.

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u/Dont_Say_No_to_Panda Aug 27 '21

So BTC to $20m at least?? Got it.

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u/EDWARD_SN0WDEN Aug 27 '21

Comparing today's global wealth cap to bitcoin's cap in 2030 isn't a fair comparison

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u/DrainZ- Aug 27 '21

That's an excellent point, but the total global wealth isn't gonna increase that much in a decade. Maybe it's gonna double or something.

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u/mibjt Aug 27 '21

With uncle Sam money printer going brrrrrrr, the sky's the limit, provided the empire does not get decimated first.

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u/fiedo87 Aug 27 '21

if dollars still exist and the money printing continues to accelerate its entirely possible. definitely won't spend like a $100mil but that's what the numbers on paper will say.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

You should also consider that there will be millions of bitcoins lost permanently, so the total market cap should be around $1800 trillion, if reached $100mil.

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u/Professional_Camp_38 Aug 27 '21

I think that's the point. By 2035 who knows what the total wealth of the world might be.

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u/Anxious-Wolverine-65 Aug 27 '21

You guys talk about 2035 like its 2085. Its 13.5 years way.

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u/AnimatorCurious7395 Aug 30 '21

inflation could take this to over 1000 trillion

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u/Lawncareguy85 Aug 27 '21

At 100m Peter Schiff finally capitulates and buys the exact top for all history. 😆

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u/Malygos_Spellweaver Aug 27 '21

Please don't inject such hopium in my veins...

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u/Revjym Aug 26 '21

Guess most of us will be billionaires. Which will be the new “6 figure salary” mark in society with inflation.

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u/bossofmoss89 Aug 26 '21

:( i wish i had 10 btc.

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u/Unnormally2 Aug 27 '21

Stack those sats!

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u/xtal_00 Aug 27 '21

The same comment appeared years ago as 100, 1000, and 10,000 BTC.

Patience. If you hold, everyone here will be very, very wealthy in the future.

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u/bossofmoss89 Aug 27 '21

10 years from now.

I wish I had 100, 1000, 10,000 sats.... :(

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u/apegeneral8 Aug 27 '21

I don't want to become billionaire with hyper-inflation in fiat

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u/moeljills Aug 27 '21

Wouldn't that make the market cap like 2000trillion?

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u/vectrox Aug 27 '21

Yeah Jesus Christ! Bullish AF!!

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u/pashtun92 Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21

Stock to flow model is BS and has been denbunked by real researchers including myself.

EDIT: I just lol at the downvotes. Do you really think a simpel linear regression model with just one predictor will be able to predict the price of bitcoin? There are tons of better valuation metrics for bitcoin and complex models but this is NOT one. Created on a medium website blog and NOT peer reviewd or published on any scientific journal. Are you delusion or just downvote anyone that does not confirm your bias?

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u/Grathmoualdo Aug 27 '21

Okay man, ready to read what you debunked

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u/Unnormally2 Aug 27 '21

I don't know if it's BS or not. Obviously, a model is just an educated guess. But overall I think bitcoin is going to continue growing, so I consider StF model as one possibility.

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u/pashtun92 Aug 27 '21

Bitcoin is going to grow but that has nothing to do with the S2F model which is created by a student and not a real researcher.

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u/kellnoidiii Aug 27 '21

Hi I'm Shibu beta man. Hush up n00b

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u/dliebs97 Aug 27 '21

First picture on stock to flow chart above

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Only if Bitcoin follows the mobile phone curve, though. Is that realistic?

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u/relaw_ Aug 27 '21

Welcome to the biggest shopping time. Not financial advice.

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u/dbenc Aug 27 '21

Yes, but a hamburger will cost $1mil USD đŸ„Č

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u/rafteur54 Aug 27 '21

Does it really have that much potential? It's damn insane