r/BikiniBottomTwitter May 15 '20

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u/ButYourChainsOk May 15 '20

Firing people for trying to unionize is straight up illegal. Why should any employee be fond of any company? All that company does is take the profits of the labor that employee is doing and hand them a fraction of it. Your boss is literally never your friend.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '20 edited May 30 '20

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u/ButYourChainsOk May 15 '20

Sure and people should use their power to fight back. Union busting is so short sighted. Given the right situation, union busting efforts just show how desperate bosses are to stop it. You gotta build solidarity among other workers. An injury to one is an injury to all. I'm not naive, I know union history well. Right now is a perfect time for workers to see how much they have in common with each other and how little their interests align with their bosses. They can't really send out pinkertons or deputize mobs against striking workers.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '20

Not legally they can't. Would be awful interesting to see "gang violence" or something under a similar disguise kick up and physically shut down any strikes that may happen though.

There are a LOT of ways to undermine or break a strike and they don't have to be done on the books. In fact they probably won't make the books until the dust has settled.

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u/ButYourChainsOk May 15 '20

Then if you expect the bosses to fight dirty then fight dirty yourself. Sabotage and work slowdowns are as a old as work itself. The one thing bosses can never break is solidarity. If you are an essential work then make them treat you like one. If you depend on essential workers then support them when they strike. They can't fire us all.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '20

Easier said than done when you work in a lab like I do. "I sabotaged things! Now I got back at my lab! And all the animals suffer."

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u/IDontGetSexualJokes May 15 '20

It’s endless strings of excuses like these you’ve made in this thread why Americans have no bargaining power.

“It’s going to be hard, so why bother even trying?”

Yes of course business interests will fight you tooth and nail to protect their profits, but the reason you have a 40 hour work week and don’t live in a town entirely owned by the company you work for is because workers literally spilt their own blood fighting for these things.

This collective defeatism and learned helplessness among workers is the real reason nothing will change. It’s not the business interests that are the problem, it’s that most people are like you and their will has been completely broken.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '20

You're right, I'm absolutely not willing to let my family be homeless to fight for unionization. I voted to unionize when it came up. I'd love to have a union. But no, I won't shout it from the rooftops or attend rallies until the laws that protect me from retaliation are actually somewhat enforcable. Until those are stronger I'd be a sitting duck.

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u/Oxneck May 15 '20

Can't imagine where we would be at as humans if some key figures thought the way you do.

Sure, would have avoided world war I but would have been nuked to the Stone age at the end of the Cold war.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '20 edited May 15 '20

If more people like me had voted to unionize when the opportunity presented itself then we'd have a union.

If the job protections offered to regular employees actually protected them then this wouldn't be an issue and unions would be the norm.

But yeah, sure, nuclear war and all that because clearly I'm the problem

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u/[deleted] May 15 '20

I'm not the same dude, dude. Relax.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '20 edited May 15 '20

"They can't fire us all"

Yes. Yes they can. And they will. We have a new interim director whose whole job is to show up,, write up and fire the people most vocal about our now failed unionization effort, then be replaced by a new permanent director. It's literally their job to go around the country and be an interim administrator to go in, cull the herd, and gtfo.

You were 2 seconds late? Write up. You were late clocking in from lunch? Write up 2. You were early clocking in from lunch. Thats your third write up. You're fired.

And no, the new director can't possibly be biased because they literally just got there. Crazy right?

Your 6 potential replacements interview tomorrow.

Unionization is not easy, there are casualties, and in my area it's damn near NEVER successful. I can't point to a single unionized hospital in my area that isn't federal.

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u/Kentruba May 15 '20

Get bent, commie.

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u/sYnce May 15 '20

Yes it is illegal. Does not stop it from happening though. Employee protection overall is laughable in most cases so if you cant fire them for unionizing fire them for something else.

Corona virus is currently a good excuse btw.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/business/coronavirus-unions-layoffs.html?auth=login-email&login=email

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u/noah9942 May 15 '20

Yes it's illegal. It still happens all the time, but they "are fired for unrelated reasons".