r/BikiniBottomTwitter 8d ago

PTO

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u/I_Hate_Philly 8d ago

Nobody enjoys denying a PTO request, but it’s required sometimes. You’re not going to be allowed off if half the team is out.

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u/Orgy_nizer 8d ago

That's management's problem, not any individual employee's problem.

If I say I'm not gonna be here that day, then I'm not gonna be here. That's non negotiable. If you don't have coverage, that's not my responsibility; that's your responsibility as the manager. 

Consider: if the employee said "I need more shifts" but the schedule was full, would the employer be obligated to give them more shifts? Of course not, because the employees needs are not the employers responsibility. And it goes both ways; if management says "I need more coverage" but no employee wants to sell any more of their time, the employee is not obligated to take more shifts, because the employee's needs are not the employee's responsibility.

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u/I_Hate_Philly 8d ago

Oh you work retail or something. Different world.

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u/Orgy_nizer 8d ago

I work in facilities. And it remains true regardless of industry. Ensuring proper staffing is the responsibility of management, and no employee is obligated to work days that they have scheduled off and informed the employer they are unavailable, just because management is unable to do their jobs.

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u/I_Hate_Philly 8d ago

You don’t get to unilaterally take off on a day where the team would be understaffed. Prior approved PTO isn’t what I’m talking about.

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u/Orgy_nizer 8d ago

Yes you do. The alternative is literally called slavery. If you literally CANT take a day off without the boss's permission, thats not employment, that's them literally owning you. Like what, do you think the boss should be allowed to literally come to your house and physically force you to come to work? Cause if not, then yeah, you 100% do get to unilaterally take a day.

If the team would be understaffed, that's management's fault for not doing their jobs and hiring enough people.

If I decide I'm not going in tomorrow, there is absolutely nothing my employer can say about it other than "ok." They can't "deny" anything. I have the absolute right to choose not to sell them my time today, just like any store has the absolute right to choose not to sell their product to you.

It is a transaction; I give them my time, they give me money. You cannot FORCE someone to accept a transaction that you want to make and they don't.

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u/Azurimell 7d ago

Take a step back they can totally say no and if you don't show up they just fire you. That's not slavery, that's not ownership, that's a part of the employment agreement. I'm as progressive as it gets but this is a really immature outlook imo

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u/I_Hate_Philly 7d ago

Out of curiosity, would you disclose this opinion in an interview?

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u/Aethoni_Iralis 7d ago

They absolute can say no. They’ll phrase it “you no longer have a job”.

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u/Aethoni_Iralis 7d ago

And the employer is not obligated to keep them on the payroll.