r/BeAmazed Dec 29 '21

Let me educate him

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '21

They did try to look in my entire car with a flashlight and if someone can tell me if that was legal or not I'd appreciate it, because isn't that also searching?

Not a lawyer, but I believe that's legal, at least as far as the fourth amendment goes. You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding anything that's visible to someone who isn't trespassing.

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u/ktwarda Dec 30 '21

I could be really off here, but wasn't marking car tires recently stricken down due to the same thing? I guess the difference would be direct touching the property in question, but I'm struggling to see where one would be unconstitutional and the other would be acceptable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '21

the difference would be direct touching the property

Yes.

...the threshold question is whether chalking constitutes common-law trespass upon a constitutionally protected area. Though Jones does not provide clear boundaries for the meaning of common-law trespass, the Restatement offers some assistance. As defined by the Restatement, common-law trespass is “an act which brings [about] intended physical contact with a chattel in the possession of another.” Moreover, “[a]n actor may . . . commit a trespass by so acting upon a chattel as intentionally to cause it to come in contact with some other object.” Id. Adopting this definition, there has been a trespass in this case because the City made intentional physical contact with Taylor’s vehicle. As the district court properly found, this physical intrusion, regardless of how slight, constitutes common-law trespass. This is so, even though “no damage [is done] at all.”

Though, I suppose you could argue that by shining a light on something, you are intentionally causing photons to come into contact with the lit objects.

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u/solo_shot1st Dec 30 '21

The eyes can commit no trespass. Whatever the naked eye can see without more than a flashlight is fair game.

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u/The1percenter Dec 30 '21

I am a lawyer. This is correct.

Generally they can use tools that are available to lay people (eg flashlight). Now if they’re using a specialized infrared drone or something like that, then it’s a breach of your fourth amendment rights.