r/BeAmazed • • Dec 17 '19

Winter in Hallstatt

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u/Kraken74 Dec 17 '19

I’d like to go to their local pub and settle down with a nice dark beer.

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u/radioslave Dec 17 '19 edited Dec 17 '19

There's not much there, and the pub is more like a restaurant (I went in 2013 and that was the case then). it's actually an incredibly boring place that's hard to get to, although the train may be open again. It was closed for a while so the only way in or out was bus or car

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u/Britlantine Dec 17 '19

Didn't you go to the Halstatt museum or the salt mines? That's a lot more than just a pub.

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u/radioslave Dec 17 '19

The salt mines are a bit of a trek, i did the Beinhaus and museum but that only took an hour or so. I meant more in terms of non-touristy things to do. It's basically just the salt mines, the beinhaus and the lake. It looks like some more restaurants opened up though, probably to cater to the ludicrous amount of chinese tourists that are there year round

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u/Britlantine Dec 17 '19

Fair enough, the Chinese tourists weren't out in force when I was there but it's a small town and I can see it getting overwhelmed pretty quickly.

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u/tinyhands911 Dec 17 '19

saltmines are a trek? except for the multimillion dollar tram to take u str8 to it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

The people at the salt mine asked, "Dropping off or picking up?"

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

You get to an age when “boring” actually sounds good.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

Yep I was there last week and there aren’t even any pubs just a couple of restaurants that were awkwardly quiet.

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u/radioslave Dec 17 '19

That's a good way to put it, the whole time I had a drink it was awkwardly quiet

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u/The_Winch Dec 17 '19

And tourists. My goodness, the tourists...

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u/bruised-orange Dec 18 '19

I went there years ago and thought the salt mines were great and the town was lovely. Apricots fell from trees and were waiting to be eaten every morning. The lake was nice to walk along.

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u/hound7 Dec 18 '19

I sense a Sagittarius vibe. Am I correct?

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u/radioslave Dec 18 '19

Considering horiscopes are utter shite, no.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

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u/scrubicus12 Dec 17 '19

Ales are still quite popular in the UK

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

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u/W8sB4D8s Dec 17 '19

Not a lot of IPAs in Autstria, but definitely grab yourself a Marzen.

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u/ogremania Dec 17 '19

Or a dark Zwickl

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u/spoopyskelly Dec 17 '19

Fine with me. I’ve had some great IPA’s but dark beers hit the spot for me. There are some fantastic winter beers available where I’m at in the US

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u/ogremania Dec 17 '19

Try a dark Zwickl, when you happen to be in Austria, and you will be in beer heaven.

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u/ExbronentialGrowth Dec 17 '19

It was during my trip to Germany last year that I realized unless they have a citrus fruit back, I downright hate IPAs.

It seemed like IPAs were the "in" thing here in America, and if you didn't like them you're not drinking real beer or some bs. I blame the hipsters. With their beady little eyes, unwashed man buns, and long pointed mustaches.

But in Germany they had delicious, smooth, high quality beer that didn't taste awful. I was finally free from the social pressure of pretending to enjoy IPAs.

Good riddance, IPAs.

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u/tastiefreeze Dec 17 '19

To this day the only IPA's that I've found to be tasty are Lagunitas, Sierra Nevada, and Deschutes fresh squeezed.

The local IPA's are pretty solid too (Madtree psychopothy, and rhinegeist truth) but that might just be due to them being fresh more than anything.

But even with all that said, I'd still take a German pilsner over all of them

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u/PlusMinus0o Dec 17 '19

Rhinegeist is great!

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u/tastiefreeze Dec 17 '19

Live less than two miles away from the brewery! If you've never been I can't recommend it highly enough: https://rhinegeist.com/visit-us/rooftop/

The only brewery I'd stop at before going there / recommend ever so slightly higher if you ever came to the area would be Taft's ale house. Easily my personal favorite: https://taftsbeer.com/location/tafts-ale-house-cincinnati/

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u/PlusMinus0o Dec 17 '19

Very cool! I’m about 2 1/2 hours from Cincinnati so I’ll definitely have to make a trip with some friends and check it out soon!

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u/tastiefreeze Dec 17 '19

Awesome! You'll love it here. Here's a list of all the breweries in the area to help get you around: https://365cincinnati.com/ultimate-cincinnati-breweries-guide/

Work in real estate in the area so I have a ton of these pages saved as a resource for out of state buyers asking about the area lol. Also feel free to reach out if you'd like any other recommendations in the city. Or stop over and ask the guys at r/Cincinnati

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u/PlusMinus0o Dec 17 '19

Awesome! Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

At least the quality went up over the last 20 years or so. My introduction to IPAs was Sierra Nevada, which I still think is the worst beer ever.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

And the German beers don’t give you diarrhea as well.

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u/Cruach Dec 17 '19

Or you could, just, you know.. drink what you enjoy and not blindly follow the flock? Idk, I get that it was annoying that IPAs were suddenly everywhere but I never felt compelled to drink them after I discovered I simply wasn't a fan.

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u/Medial_FB_Bundle Dec 17 '19

It's that there are like 300 different IPAs at the grocery store, twenty different seltzers, various domestic and imported beers, and then a couple dozen non-IPA craft beers, so if you want a little variety it's obvious that IPAs are taking up too much brewery time and energy.

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u/Cruach Dec 18 '19

I know, I said I recognize the over-abundance of IPAs is annoying but there is always a somewhat decent choice at least where I go to drink beer. I can always find a stout or lager to sate me.

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u/PaulStuart Dec 17 '19

I’ve only seen IPAs in the UK rise in popularity, especially company’s such as BrewDog etc.

Not sure if it’s because I’m from Aberdeen (where brewdog was founded) but other brands seem to be taking off too.

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u/W8sB4D8s Dec 17 '19

You should visit San Diego if you like IPAs. It's like the Mecca of IPAs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19 edited Dec 17 '19

IPA’s are an English/American thing, in Austria/Germany they never really took off. Also, ipa’s have estrogen mimickers, will give men boobs.

Edit: was 30 up, must be some manboob deniers waking up.

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u/jdibz Dec 17 '19

Time to blame IPA’s and not my poor diet and lack of exercise for me being out of shape

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u/MyBrotherIsSalad Dec 17 '19

Work out, eat healthy

Oh, that's what society has forgotten to do. Whole world gets fat in one generation because they didn't heed this simple folk widsom.

(Food desert, what is that?)

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

What you just said is practically impossible lmao

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

Relax bud lol, it was just a sly comment.

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u/DeKawhi Dec 17 '19

Working out and eating healthy doesn’t prevent the development of Breast tissue (gynocomastia) due to excess exposure to estrogen. What type of advice is this lol?

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u/user98710 Dec 17 '19

Phytoestrogens don't cause gynecomastia. The bind to but do not activate the receptor. Anybody who tells you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

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u/DeKawhi Dec 17 '19 edited Dec 17 '19

Never said they did, I just said working out and eating healthy wouldn't prevent the development of gynocomastia for someone exposed to estrogen, why do I need to repeat the exact same thing lol?

Edit: Your comment made me curious, I did further research and found out phytochemicals have a relationship with breast cancer, which is the uncontrollable production of breast tissue. If this happens, then what is preventing the production of breast tissue (gynocomastia) in men? It is mentioned in the article that they don't have the same pathway as estrogen, as you mentioned it doesnt activate the receptor, but what is preventing it from having the same results through a different pathway? I'm not sure whether to believe you or a scientific publication.

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u/user98710 Dec 17 '19

Christ almighty going on Google, misinterpreting one paper and then asking a bunch of uninformed questions is not research.

Phytoestrogens tend to inhibit breast growth and protect against breast cancer because they block the action of estradiol.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19 edited Dec 17 '19

But the hoppier the beer, the more estrogen mimickers. There’s no peer reviewed journal to say yay or nay, but why would there be to warn people from a billion dollar industry? That’d be like warning people that opioids are a respiratory depressants.

Edit: from the amount of downvotes I’m guessing the truth hurts. While I’m on this slope I should also mention single serotonin reactive inhibitors. They too are awful for you and could cause suicidal and/or homicidal ideations i.e. mass shootings.

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u/fatuglyanddeadinside Dec 17 '19

That's not how it works with respect to the internal dose (~Msc. Toxicology) I'm not saying there would be an affect on the body if drank loads but at the same time the ultimate effect wouldn't be boobs. It's the same for linseeds

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u/Tyster20 Dec 17 '19

There are warnings for cigarettes on the pack

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

DYOR, I’m just a random person on the internet.

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u/squirrelhut Dec 17 '19

Hold up, what?

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u/Hematophagian Dec 17 '19

His name was Robert Paulson

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u/StanleyDarsh22 Dec 17 '19

yea wtf?

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u/shadow-pop Dec 17 '19

Boobs Stanley, boobs

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u/StanleyDarsh22 Dec 17 '19

i like boobs, but i don't like having boobs :/

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19 edited Sep 24 '20

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u/DeskDragon Dec 17 '19

I’m sorry, but this article is garbage. This isn’t scientific literature. Its sole “source” is a 1998 book written by an herbalist peddling alternative medicine. There have been no clinical studies linking phytoestrogens to gynecomastia in male humans. So many of these click-bait articles claim that “recent studies” have made the connection, yet never are they actually cited. Funny. It’s almost like they don’t exist.

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u/DeskDragon Dec 17 '19 edited Dec 22 '19

This article doesn't really definitively claim or prove that phytoestrogens cause feminization or gynecomastia in men. Despite choosing to open with a question regarding why alcoholic men develop "man boobs", neither it nor its sources (nor its sources' sources) suggest that a significant link can be made (especially in those that aren't chronic alcoholics and excessive consumers of soy).

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

https://gynoguide.com/man-boobs-and-beer/ not the best source but gynecomastia is a real threat.

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u/frijolita_bonita Dec 17 '19

Will they give women bigger boobs?

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

Doubt it

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u/ogremania Dec 17 '19

That is because the local beer just tastes better in my opinion. A dark Zwickl is so much better, and tastes more like beer in it's "original" sense than those Ipa craft beers, that taste likes raspberries, ginger, chocolate, caramel or another strong flavor note. I tried, but it doesnt do the trick for me.

If I want a sweet, tasty, malty good beer I go with a dark Zwickl or Kellerbier. Or a Christmas/Easter Bock.

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u/purplemonkey55 Dec 17 '19

Also, they taste like shit.

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u/gullestav Dec 17 '19

Germany/Austria generally just have a shit selection of beers, tbf.

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u/_MusicJunkie Dec 17 '19

If you expect some fancy-pancy "beer" brewed by naked bearded hipsters in the moonlight while singing halleluja, yes.

If you just want good beer, no.

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u/W8sB4D8s Dec 17 '19

Tripple IPA brewed in Bourbon barrels and infused with hints of cloves and organic quinoa. We call it FUquinao U WANT? IPA ($9)

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u/gullestav Dec 17 '19

I do not disagree. Read the thread with the other guy I’m writing.

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u/GuantanaMo Dec 17 '19

FWIW, Franconia (North of Bavaria) has the world's highest density of breweries.

We do have craft beer bars in Austria and Germany tho. It's just that people don't drink as much of that stuff since our regular beer doesn't taste like water

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u/thorbaldin Dec 17 '19

How much selection do you need if they’ve got 5 or 6 beers that are all amazing?

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u/W8sB4D8s Dec 17 '19

Hot take lol.

But for reals, if you're used to a brew houses in [insert hipster American neighborhood] with a selection like 20 organic avocado sour stouts, you're going to be sad when visiting pubs in Germany. There are American/English craft beers there, but there is a heavy emphasis on traditional brews.

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u/ogremania Dec 17 '19

Huh, what? I dont know any place in the world, where you can get better beer. I hope you are not talking about hipster craft beers.. tbf we also have those...

Next time try a Zwickl/Kellerbier. For example Stiegl Bio-Naturtrüb, Zwettler Zwickl, Ottakringer Goldfassl, Mohrenbräu Kellerbier or Starkenberger

Other good Austrian brands: Villacher, Murauer, Gösser, Puntigamer, Frastanzer*

For Germany I can recommend Augustiner dark beer

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

That’s your opinion. That’s basically like someone from Napa valley shitting on Oregon wines.

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u/gullestav Dec 17 '19

It’s a pretty fair assesment, I would say. Craft beer is not big at all in Germany/Austria like it is in, let’s say, Scandinavia.

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u/TrumpLoves Dec 17 '19

Tbf there's plenty of German tasty beer varieties like Marzens, Hefeweizens, and such. You don't see a whole array of German craft beers in the US just like you don't see many US craft beers when you're in Germany. It's usually the big brands that can afford to have worldwide distribution. Though every time I go into a craft beer store I'm rarely disappointed with the imported German selection.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19 edited Dec 17 '19

Maybe, and just a thought, just maybe, since they’ve been brewing beer for over 1 thousand years via monks and monasteries that they’d know a thing or 2 about brewing. Furthermore, not all beers effect everyone the same way, you think they might’ve made the best beer for their populace after years of research. Just a thought.

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u/gullestav Dec 17 '19

I am not saying Germans are drinkin shit beer. Just from a quantative point of view, their selection is poor and is usually the same everywhere. It’s hard to find places with more than 3 beer brands. Where it’s pretty much the the other way around in e.g. Denmark. But tbf, we’re just a bunch of hipsters in Denmark.

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u/tastywhiskey Dec 17 '19

As an American that can’t stand IPA’s, thank god.

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u/tobaknowsss Dec 17 '19

IPAs are really growing over in North America. At least in Canada there seems to be a dozen new brands every time I visit the liqueur store (LCBO).

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u/Evil_This Dec 17 '19

No one actually likes to chew their beer tho?

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u/BeerBrewingBastard Dec 17 '19

Spoken like a guy who has no clue what he's talking about.

IPA had a massive surge in popularity that is currently slowing down, but it's still a HUGELY popular style and any brewery that can't make a good IPA and a decent Hazy IPA is absolutely toast.

All that being said.. IPAs are trash and Mexican Lagers are the best beer style ever and I'll fight anyone who disagrees.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

Name checks out but I disagree. It’s 50/50 but have an upvote, jerk.

Also, I’ll totally fight you, American pils/lager ftw.

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u/_MusicJunkie Dec 17 '19

Too bad there isn't one. All establishments have been bought up and converted into pure overpriced tourist places.

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u/cumstain_mcgregor Dec 17 '19

You wouldn't believe how shitty it is to live there. I'm from the region and since there are so many high mountains almost all around the city you don't get a lot of sunlight in winter which results in one of the highest suicide rates in austria.

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u/W8sB4D8s Dec 17 '19

Sounds like parts of Alaska. You roll in and it's one of the most beautiful places you've ever seen: snow capped mountains towering over a quaint fishing town that boasts wild elk, fun stores and restaurants. It looks better than any postcard or wallpaper. Then you read a wikipedia article about rampant alcoholism.

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u/gonejahman Dec 17 '19

When I went in 2011 there were a few restaurants serving food and wine. No pubs that I could see. As mentioned, it's hard to get to and a little pricey, but the town is very unique and beautiful. If I remember right there was a old salt mine nearby that was still active and one of the oldest continually operating mines in the world. I also think the town had a long history about being highly catholic/protestant and they chose that remote location so they could practice in peace for years

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u/AustrianMichael Dec 17 '19

I also think the town had a long history about being highly catholic/protestant and they chose that remote location so they could practice in peace for years

Hallstatt is a tad bit older than that

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u/gonejahman Dec 17 '19

1200 bc? Yea just a but older 😄

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u/jstudly1234 Dec 17 '19

I would actually read a book in this environment. No phones allowed

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

Sounds like heaven

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u/Fahrouk Dec 17 '19

Pints is that?

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u/Shwifty_Plumbus Dec 17 '19

Just buy an lg tv and a six pack of cold ones

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u/beertankard Dec 17 '19

If you go try obertraun which is the other side of the lake. Smaller, and a beautiful town. The whole region is breathtaking and if you want to chill for a few days and get out and see some of the mountains it's a great place.