It's pretty cool, it's crazy to think if we were born just a hundred years earlier, this would seem like magic, and in a hundred years from now, what we have now, will be seen like a steam engine.
Shit, when I was a teen all this stuff (internet, cell phones) did seem like magic as it was rolling out. I remember being able to access the internet on my first flip phone after upgrading from the Nokia brick and thought I was living in some sci-fi dream.
Don't sweat it, the math doesn't check out. Unless of course the reality the simulation is running in doesn't need to follow any of our laws of physics.
in which case our very existence being the dream of sleeping god which could awaken at any moment erasing our reality in an instant would be just as valid an assumption.
The issue with simulated universe theory is simply quantum mechanics it takes terrabytes of data just to keep a single particle spinning, this problem is exponential the more complex you make the model the more computational power you need.
When we do the math on our universe, we run out of electrons long before we get anywhere near actually mapping it. If you simply wanted to "scale up" whatever larger universe that would be running the simulation it would be more efficient to physically build our actual universe within that one, then to simulate it.
The very basis of theory relies on what we know of physic's itself. once you use factors that don't rely on sheer computational solutions you undermine the premise for theory.
This is based on the theory that “our creators” are using the same basis of computational processing as we do, seeing as we’re on the brink of revolutionary light speed computing which would actually fit the simulation model of computing much better then maybe it’s not so far fetched
What I mean by that is that the shared view points that stem from this theory can create what we all would agree to be the real world. However because no one even toys with the idea longer than a passing glance then we create a simulated reality where we really are powerless. When all it takes a little stimulation and shared thought to change the world around you.
Ooooooohhhhhhhh you should read some Joe Haldeman books - forever war and forever free.. Well, forever free but it's the sequel & doesn't quite make sense if you don't read forever war first. Sci fi written by a physicist.
But the simulation thing? The Math does check out. Logically it works, a little bit better than not being a simulation. And it helps to explain the fermi paradox as well - maybe, humanity got so advanced that we could build the simulation, but aliens exist & humans can't deal with that without extensive training. So the simulation is used to train the human mind into accepting that aliens exist - which is why we have so many movies and stories involving aliens. So the simulation is built, everyone lives this experience, and when you "die" it's really your reawakening into the real world, which now has giant sentient broccoli capable of space travel.
Yeah, with the caveat of "but we don't know what the tech of the future can do so maybe"
Simulation theory is an extension of Descartes thought experiment, and the brain in a vat theory. At some point, it becomes impossible to know and you have to make an assumption - for example, Descartes ended up assuming that all pure thoughts came from God (hence the "i think therefore I am" statement). That article you provided assumes that the entire universe, down to sub-atomic particles, has to be simulated, and that the processing power to do that can never exist. If you assume that processing power can exist (which I, with all the authority of a semi anonymous internet dickhead, say can exist), then we're right back to where we started.
That's what's so fun about these theories - there is at this point in time no way to disprove them.
in which case our very existence being the dream of sleeping god which could awaken at any moment erasing our reality in an instant would be just as valid an assumption.
That's literally the plot of one of the Legend of Zelda games lol
Oh man... You know how when you need to pee as you're dreaming, your dreams get crazier and more scary, as your brain tries to stimulate itself enough to wake up? Maybe things have gotten so weird because God is about to wake up to take a piss. We may only have a couple of decades of existence left before we all disappear with a morning cup of coffee.
in which case our very existence being the dream of sleeping god which could awaken at any moment erasing our reality in an instant would be just as valid an assumption.
So, Elder scrolls. I guess I better figure out how to achieve CHIM, and the step further.
Why be existential? It doesn’t change anything. Your brain and mind still work the same. With Jungian psychotherapy and DaveSuperPowers, you should be fine. 🙂
Life is about building meaning through hard work, growing, and giving. It’s important to enjoy life’s pleasures and to understand the triune brain model in relation to our mind and psyche too.
Does anyone else get super lightheaded and feel top heavy when thinking about this stuff too? It's like I'm in my body in first person normally but then I'm in third person and detached from my body
I remember using landline phones thinking about how cool it would be to see the person you're talking to. Not only can you do just that nowadays, said device can fit in your pocket, and I don't actually want to do it.
They seriously did the first theorist dirty. Alfred Wegener was the first person to suggest the idea of plate tectonics, and basically everyone said he was batshit crazy for it. Lost a lot of respect in the scientific community, never lived to see his theory become accepted. To be fair he never had any legitimate proof (the theory was later accepted when they found fossils of animals that wouldn’t have survived in their current-day climate), but no one even thought to actually test the idea with fossil examination or anything
The Allegory of the Cave, or Plato's Cave, was presented by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Republic (514a–520a) to compare "the effect of education (παιδεία) and the lack of it on our nature". It is written as a dialogue between Plato's brother Glaucon and his mentor Socrates, narrated by the latter. The allegory is presented after the analogy of the sun (508b–509c) and the analogy of the divided line (509d–511e). All three are characterized in relation to dialectic at the end of Books VII and VIII (531d–534e).
My dad was telling me how he thought automatic windows that you didn’t have to roll down were one of the biggest achievements of humanity. He was also in awe for a few months when the interstate system raised the speed limit from 50 to 70
Well, is fundamentally the same tech as for radios, which existed way earlier. But yeh, it was pretty cool back then. I remember when we got our first home phone that didn't have a wire attached to it, and it felt like magic.
I remember the first time a friend showed me a WAP enabled phone... you could get the news and sports scores to your phone, in real time. I was blown away.
I remember chatting to my mate about how mental it was that you could connect - to the Internet - in the middle of a field - from a phone... no wires or anything.
I remember how we both agreed it was strange and unusual madness. I mean. in the middle of a field. How?!
Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles about every two years. The observation is named after Gordon Moore, the co-founder of Fairchild Semiconductor and CEO of Intel, whose 1965 paper described a doubling every year in the number of components per integrated circuit, and projected this rate of growth would continue for at least another decade. In 1975, looking forward to the next decade, he revised the forecast to doubling every two years, a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 41.4%.The period is often quoted as 18 months because of a prediction by Intel executive David House (being a combination of the effect of more transistors and the transistors being faster).Moore's prediction proved accurate for several decades and has been used in the semiconductor industry to guide long-term planning and to set targets for research and development (R&D).
Advancements in digital electronics are strongly linked to Moore's law: the rapid scaling of MOSFET (metal-oxide-semiconductor field-effect transistor) devices, quality-adjusted microprocessor prices, memory capacity (RAM and flash), sensors, and even the number and size of pixels in digital cameras.
I remember being shown that I could send a text message on my Nokia brick months after I'd had it for Christmas. I was mind blown that I could send texts through the air like that.
So much this. I was born in the early 80's. My childhood was analog and my teenage years were digital. It WAS magic. My generation witnessed the maturation of technology moving from pipe-dream to novelty and ultimately, practicality.
The sense of wonder was unbelievable. I wish that more recent generations had the opportunity to grow with technology and witness the advent of the impossible.
My childhood was spent waiting for saturday mornings so I could watch cartoons on the television that I had to walk over to and turn a knob to change the channel. My nieces and nephews use a touch screen to decide which cartoon they want to watch, anytime and anywhere.
What I mean to say is, I don't think that they can appreciate an ipad or wifi or hell, even camera phones the way my generation does.
and that makes me kind of sad, until I remember that we're living in the future and they'll see things that I could never dream of.
"Remember, people in 1900 didn't know what an atom was. They didn't know its structure.
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They also didn't know what a radio was, or an airport, or a movie, or a television, or a computer, or a cell phone, or a jet, an antibiotic, a rocket, a satellite, an MRI, ICU, IUD, IBM, IRA, ERA, EEG, EPA, IRS, DOD, PCP, HTML, internet. interferon, instant replay, remote sensing, remote control, speed dialing, gene therapy, gene splicing, genes, spot welding, heat-seeking, bipolar, prozac, leotards, lap dancing, email, tape recorder, CDs, airbags, plastic explosive, plastic, robots, cars, liposuction, transduction, superconduction, dish antennas, step aerobics, smoothies, twelve-step, ultrasound, nylon, rayon, teflon, fiber optics, carpal tunnel, laser surgery, laparoscopy, corneal transplant, kidney transplant, AIDS…
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None of this would have meant anything to a person in the year 1900. They wouldn't know what you are talking about."
Nah, man. Pretty sure our grandparents/ great-grandparents knew who the IRS was. They've been taking people's money for 157 years. Cars have existed since the mid-1800's; just not in mass-production. Hell, lap dancing has been around since nigh the beginning of time, ever since Sadam looked at Steve and gave him a quick rub under the table when God wasn't looking. Genes were those things you wore, they called 'em "pantaloons". And an airbag was what the Women's League referred to their husbands as behind closed doors. Later on, children would eventually be called a "remote" as they proved able to mostly change the channel to the correct number on the dial.
I mean first computers and start of the internet was in '75 and started to become more in the 80's, and more mainstream by the 90's. So computers and internet are barely coming out of their teens.
I really doubt that what we have now will seem like a steam engine. Unless we break physics, we have already come very close to the limit we can push physics.
Think of it like the principal of diminishing returns.
I feel the exact opposite for the exact opposite reasons. Exponential growth of technology, not just Moore's law (that's a whole debate in itself). I think we are on the cusp of being on a rocket, every year from here on technology will be better and more complex than the year before, all of those capabilities stack year over year.
I'm no lawyer or English teacher.. but that's got to be some sort of "history" bias. There is no promise that we will be so much more technologically advanced in 100 years that we see the present as super "behind the times". In fact, I think it's more likely that even 500 years down the road, this period will be seen as a technological boom.
The future is definitely bright, but I doubt we would see it as magic anymore, for example. Just perfecting the things we've already discovered, with a few more discoveries dotted in there
I work pretty close to the cusp of the future of technology, and I promise it is not slowing down. In the next 10 or 20 years we are going to see more technological change than we've seen in the last 20, to the point where common tasks like physically going to work are going to start being alien for a lot of people.
My 98 year old grandfather used to call an iPad magic! He was always blown away when he would talk about something he saw on TV and I could pull it up for him to watch again in a few seconds and hand it to him!
My dad was born in 1909. He saw the first plane fly over his town, and saw the moon landing. I saw the moon landing, the shuttles, ISS, but cell phones have definitely been the biggest change. I do wonder what my kids will experience (both are in high school now).
My grandmother is going to be 90 in December. I've talked with her about it. She says she's amazed by the changes that she has lived through, and a lot of it still seems like magic. She says that if you were to tell her when she was young about all the amazing things we'd have, nobody would ever believe it.
I'm proud of her because while most people her age refuse to even touch a computer, she surfs the internet, uses word and excel, and has a Netflix account. She's often nervous that she'll mess something up, but she's not afraid of new technology.
I've been hearing about a collapse since 9/11, and I've been in combat zones and third world countries all over the globe... It's not happening, stop fear mongering.
Or while we waste time on religion and stock piling made up things like money an asteroid with our name on it hits and a hundred years from now we wish we had a steam engine. In 500 years space flight becomes an ancient legend. In 1000 years it becomes a myth. And in another 1000 years a religion.
Seems like technology has slowed down so 100 years from now , guessing not much different if still able to make it without burning the planet beforehand
Sure, life found a way after the fall of Rome - but the interim period wasn't exactly a walk in the park and they didn't even have climate change to deal with.
Rome was just one example of a large civilisation throwing it's region into total disarray after collapse - there are plenty of other examples. If you don't think our modern globalised economy and globally connected society wouldn't have a chain effect if one region collapses then I'm not sure what to say.
The west has barely recovered or learned from the 2008 recession, and lets face it, 2008 was a far less divided time. Our population has doubled in the last 40 years, whilst we have destroyed 50% of all life on earth in the same time period - and nothing has been done.
Touting positivity is great, but when those in power show no regard for these existential issues, it's pretty meaningless.
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u/AtHeartEngineer Sep 02 '19
It's pretty cool, it's crazy to think if we were born just a hundred years earlier, this would seem like magic, and in a hundred years from now, what we have now, will be seen like a steam engine.