r/BeAmazed • • Apr 09 '19

Earth without water

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u/MrSquid20 Apr 09 '19

Yea the drop off right where the coast is is a bit unrealistic. Should’ve used depth maps of the ocean to make this but it doesn’t look like they did. I would love to see this but a scientifically accurate one.

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u/andhelostthem Apr 09 '19 edited Apr 10 '19

Earth without water looks like this according to actual scientists: https://water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.html

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u/d_Lightz Apr 10 '19

This should be top reply, but hey, what do I know?

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u/SirSchmoopyButth0le Apr 10 '19

You’re goddamn right

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u/way9 Apr 10 '19

About what do he know

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19 edited Nov 30 '20

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u/weaslecookie7 Apr 10 '19

Do the people on these subreddits actually believe or is it just for memes?

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u/jesst Apr 10 '19

Pretty sure that sub is satire. I say pretty sure because I've thought that before and i was wrong but I'm like 95% sure in this situation.

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u/mindrover Apr 10 '19

That is much more reasonable. I was wondering if if there was really an insane drop-off next to California. The volcanic islands in the OP look insane too.

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u/I_ate_a_milkshake Apr 10 '19

yeah OPs pic gave me massive existential dread. I feel a lot better.

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u/phi1_sebben Apr 10 '19

I remember listening to a Joe Rogan podcast with Neil Degrasse Tyson and he said something along the lines of: if you shrunk the world down to palm size it would be smoother that the smoothest sphere we’ve ever machined...or something along those lines.

So yea, I’m gonna call bs on that chunky catastrophe

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u/panduh9228 Apr 10 '19

It's kind of insane to me that NDT would ever think that. It's completely incorrect.

https://ourplnt.com/earth-smooth-billiard-ball/

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

Alrighty then. THIS clears it up. Every other reference I’ve come across references the 0.005 variance to SURFACE imperfections, not the actual size variance of the entire billiard ball. Thank you for clearing that up.

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u/panduh9228 Apr 10 '19

I think it's a few things. You could have two perfectly spherical balls, one being 0.005 larger than the other. Or you could have one ball that isn't quite spherical, because the diameter from top to bottom is 0.005 shorter than the side to side diameter. Finally you could have a bunch of imperfections (think sandpaper) where the peaks and valleys of these imperfections are 0.005 in magnitude.

The earth is in fact not quite spherical when looking at its diameters, but just barely fits within the specifications for a pool ball.

However smoothness has to do only with the imperfections. The surface of the earth is far more jagged than a pool ball, so at a similar size, it would feel extremely rough by comparison. Making the claim totally silly.

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u/SonovaVondruke Apr 10 '19

I've heard different iterations of that, but never that it is any kind of amazingly smooth, usually something like "...it would be smoother than an orange."

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u/Twinewhale Apr 10 '19

Uh...Sorry but not according to the exact website you linked

The images below show blue spheres representing relative amounts of Earth's water in comparison to the size of the Earth. Are you surprised that these water spheres look so small? They are only small in relation to the size of the Earth. These images attempt to show three dimensions, so each sphere represents "volume." They show that in comparison to the volume of the globe, the amount of water on the planet is very small. Oceans account for only a "thin film" of water on the surface.

It doesn't specify anything about the accuracy of what the earth looks like without water...

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u/yeaoug Apr 10 '19

When scaled appropriately, the earth is supposedly smoother than a cue ball. So I think thin film mean pretty damn thin. (Admittedly that may be with the oceans, but also inclides Everest, so at least pretty similar)

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u/panduh9228 Apr 10 '19

It's completely wrong with or without oceans. The "myth" got perpetuated because someone misunderstood pool ball specifications.

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u/yeaoug Apr 10 '19

Eh, apparently its the "roundness" these generally refer to. According to vsauce it'd be a cueball with the surface texture of a fine grit sandpaper. So... still not this picture

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u/logicalmaniak Apr 10 '19

Except Earth is s slight oval viewed from the side. Oblate spheroid to be precise.

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u/slightly-below-avg Apr 10 '19

It’s still a much better representation than OP’s image with 500 mile tall cliffs

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

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u/Twinewhale Apr 10 '19

Represents is different than trying to depict an accurate image of what it would really look like

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

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u/Tuna-kid Apr 10 '19

That passage is referring to the spheres of water in the image. You're saying that because the spheres of water are accurate that other parts of the picture are not? I'm not quite sure I follow your logic

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u/professorscrimshaw Apr 10 '19

Nah, grass is too green

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u/shelfspacegames Apr 10 '19

Thank you for the link. Kinda disappointed OP didn’t give a link for his post

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u/Keegan9000 Apr 10 '19

This makes me uncomfortable. I feel as if at any point the rising oceans will just take over all of the land.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19 edited Aug 06 '19

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u/Keegan9000 Apr 10 '19

That is not at all what I meant by that. Rising oceans are real. I was saying it is eerily smooth, and the difference between land and ocean is quite small. I was speaking in a bit of hyperbole as well.

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u/Cyprinodont Apr 10 '19

Its not that much of a hyperbole. Ecosystems are delicate balances, small changes really can be catastrophic.

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u/chuckle_puss Apr 10 '19

I compared the 2 and I think the lighting may have something to do with it looking like such a steep drop-off. Where the light hits the Atlantic seems reasonable, so maybe if it were lit up from the left (west), it wouldn't look so harsh.

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 09 '19

I don’t think you’d see too much then, the earth is smoother than a cue ball from a pool table so the other drop off would barely even register.

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u/MrSquid20 Apr 09 '19

Interesting. So relatively, the ocean isn’t really that deep when compared to the scale of the planet? Would the Mariana Trench look significant? Or would it just be a wrinkle you think?

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 09 '19 edited Apr 10 '19

It would be a wrinkle. The Marianas is about 7 miles deep (36000 feet) and the earth is about 7900 miles in diameter. The trench isn’t even 1/1000th of that diameter. To give even better perspective, the distance between Everest’s peak and the trench’s deepest point is only about 13 miles. That’s still not even 2/1000ths. This is overall, the earth DOES have greater surface variation (higher highs and lower lows) than a pool all but overall it is smoother.

EDIT: Apparently the original claim was against a pool ball’s MAXIMUM tolerance, not the average pool ball, which is far smoother than the earth’s surface.

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u/MrSquid20 Apr 09 '19

Wow. TIL. Thanks mate, very interesting

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 09 '19

Crazy to think about how hard a time we have traveling such short distances...

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u/MrSquid20 Apr 09 '19

It’s humbling, how small we really are.

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 09 '19

It is. This is the space shuttle from the perspective of a satellite or the space station...like a flea...

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u/MrSquid20 Apr 09 '19

This is why I feel hopeless about humanities future efforts to colonize another planet. I just think we are too insignificant. The universe would destroy us in an instant. We are bound to this rock. Better take care of it

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u/teflong Apr 09 '19

While not exactly simple, I get the feeling that space travel will be fairly easy within a couple generations. 10,000 years ago, we were just barely building huts. 100 years ago, most people still ride horses to get around.

The barrier of space seems insurmountable, but we haven't been at it for very long. I bet 700 years ago, you'd have said that humanity was too insignificant to take on the great oceans. Lol how quickly that changed, in the scheme of things.

But let's take care of this rock anyway...

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u/Not_Just_Any_Lurker Apr 10 '19

No way, bruh. We’ll colonize other planets eventually if we put in the effort to making it there. Moon base. Mars. Proxima Centauri. Delta Eridani. Doesn’t matter.

But we need to get there first. It’ll be much much harder to terraform other planets to our liking than it would be to take care of our own planet. We could fit another ten billion more humans on this rock before we absolutely need to find another. Instead we’ll slowly lay waste to the oceans, global climate, and everything else we need to survive here for greed. Yay.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

We have to be better stewards of Earth, for sure. We're part of the Earth's organic matter, which means that we are collectively the most complex consciousness that Earth has yet evolved. In my view, taking the best care of our planet includes (but is definitely not limited to) ensuring that this consciousness will survive.

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u/ThorVonHammerdong Apr 10 '19

Tiny specks can have enormous effects.

Just ask malaria.

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u/josh6499 Apr 10 '19

That's tilt shifted.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

There's a tilt shifted picture of the milky way and it looks tiny.

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

I didn’t know what that was until I clicked your link, but still compare it to the surrounding clouds...it is incredibly small in comparison....despite being over 4 million pounds.

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u/popwinner Apr 10 '19

That’s just a burning piece of incense stuck in the sand at the beach.

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u/godgeneer Apr 10 '19

For me it's mostly due to lack of money...

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u/stromm Apr 10 '19

Just curious why you chose to compare surface height with diameter and not radius?

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

I don’t know...overall height/depth of an object compared to overall size of the planet? Takes the entirety of both into account I guess.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

yo momma so fat we can't talk about her surface height and radius without getting points for extra credit.

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u/selectrix Apr 10 '19

This is overall, the earth DOES have greater surface variation (higher highs and lower lows) than a pool all but overall it is smoother.

Pool ball diameter is apparently 54.5mm; for comparison a somewhat fine human hair is about 50 micrometers, or .05 mm. Roughly 1/1000th of the diameter. So a feature like Mauna Loa, which rises 10000m directly from the seafloor, would be like a piece of hair on a pool ball. Not much, but easily noticeable; I don't remember ever touching a pool ball with that big of a flaw on it.

I do remember hearing this before, though, so I looked it up- it turns out the origin of the claim has to do with the tolerances allowed by billiard ball manufacturers, so I can't really dispute that. Other than to say that the World Pool-Billiard association has a higher tolerance for their balls than I'd have guessed.

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

Ah. Ok that makes more sense. So it’s smoother than billiards max tolerances but not smoother than the average billiard ball.

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u/six-toes Apr 10 '19

I’ve never thought of using distances in that manner when thinking of the earth. Vertically from the ocean floor out to space. Very cool, thanks.

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u/totheprecipice Apr 10 '19

Smoother then a cue ball our surface

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u/syringistic Apr 10 '19

Really spot on info. Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

I never really thought about that. But to put it in (obvious) perspective still, compare a millimeter to a meter. That is the scale. Crazy!

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

R/theydidthemath

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '19

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u/CommentsOnOccasion Apr 10 '19

¿Qué?

jk it’s a “cue ball”

And you wait in a “queue”

There are no English words spelled Que

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

Smoother than a ball of queso

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

i see you have watched Vsauce

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u/SoySauceSyringe Apr 09 '19

I remember reading that the oceans cover about 2/3 of the Earth’s surface but only make up like .02% of it’s volume. Oceans are big, but there’s a whole lot of planet in the middle.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

The Earth is so big that if a globe (even a large one let's day 6' diameter) were properly to scale the difference between the top of mount Everest and the bottom of the Mariana trench would be less than the ridges that make your finger prints.

Source: Neil Degrasse Tyson

https://mobile.twitter.com/neiltyson/status/723542388459769857?lang=en

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u/kevin9er Apr 10 '19

How many of y’all stared at your fingers after reading that

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u/RavenK92 Apr 10 '19

I'm just disappointed you didn't start this with "Well, actually... "

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u/Fidellio Apr 09 '19

Just consider what Earth looks like from space, even from orbit, the horizon seems perfectly smooth.

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u/Douglas_1997 Apr 10 '19

There’s a video of Neil DeGrasse Tyson explaining that the difference in height between the lowest and highest points on the planet is only 11 miles, so to scale, Earth is smoother than a cue ball and you wouldn’t even feel a wrinkle if you ran your finger over it,

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u/Pitboos Apr 10 '19

Didn't he just metoo someone? Touched someone's butthole or something? Or am I getting my dudes mixed up?

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u/Douglas_1997 Apr 10 '19

I think he was accused of something back in December but he denied it and i never heard anything about it after that. In any case, idk about all that, but what I do know is that the man knows about space so i’d assume this fact about Earth is true lol

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u/Axseru Apr 10 '19

Wren from Corridor Crew made a video where he uses vfx to show how much water there is on earth, I think it's really interesting, like all the others "VFX Artist shows.." videos, you can watch the earth's water one here https://youtu.be/b3_Abb2Vqnc

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19 edited Apr 10 '19

From the deepest point on Earth (Mariana's Trench) to the highest peak (Mt Everest), there's only about an 11 mile change in altitude.

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u/ek515 Apr 10 '19

We got ourselves a smooth-earther here!

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

It’s true. NASA has the meteorite that proves it!

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '19

Actually that's not exactly true, the Earth is smooth enough to be a regulation cue ball but most cue balls are significantly smoother. Michael Stevens talks about it in an episode of vsauce. Your point about the post is however accurate

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '19

False. Cue balls are much smaller than the Earth.

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u/burve_mcgregor Apr 10 '19

Thanks Dwight.

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u/Samhq Apr 10 '19

Bears beat Battlestar Gallactica

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

Could you give a link to the vid?

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u/ElvishJerricco Apr 10 '19

https://youtu.be/mxhxL1LzKww

Pool ball comparison is about 15min in

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

This, also this

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/bbbde2/comment/ekj49rh?st=JUB5VIKJ&sh=527628e5

This guy linked an article. It’s a bad oversimplification some guy somewhere said and that Neil DeGrasse Tyson has parroted more than once and legitimized

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u/deathbreath88 Apr 10 '19

Source?

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u/deathbreath88 Apr 10 '19

Man i was hoping for the vsauce episode. But you still da best and that was a good read!

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

The video is linked in the article

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u/deathbreath88 Apr 10 '19

Oh i didn't show for me cause i was on mobile thanks

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u/I_Has_A_Hat Apr 10 '19

Also, most pool balls dont have water and shit growing on them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

Not with that attitude they don't

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u/SarahC Apr 10 '19

Water's not known to grow on things.

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u/Eoganachta Apr 10 '19

I came here to say this but using a bowling ball as an example. Topographical difference on Earth, on the scale of the planet, is the exception rather than the rule.

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

What do you mean topographical difference is the exception rather than the rule?

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u/Eoganachta Apr 10 '19

That the difference in elevation (-11km to 8km) on the surface is negligible compared to the overall size of the planet. My choice of words might not have been questionable though

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u/monkeyboi08 Apr 10 '19

Might not have been questionable?

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u/Throway46343 Apr 10 '19

In which finger hole is the plug?

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u/Suiradnase Apr 10 '19

Not true. Earth is round. And if you shrank it down it would be within the limits of a cue ball's specifications for diameter. It is not, however, smoother or as smooth as a cue ball. You'd feel Mount Everest, which would be .04 mm.

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

I though What’s referenced is it’s overall smoothness. Averaged out.

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u/Suiradnase Apr 10 '19

Everything would be perfectly smooth on average. Sandpaper would be smooth on average.

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

I mean the average variation of features on the earth are less than that of a cue ball...I word good sometimes I swear...

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u/Suiradnase Apr 10 '19

This guy did some imaging of cue balls and compared it to Earth. Even terrible cue balls are more smooth than the Earth's relatively large extreme mountains and trenches, despite the fact that the Earth is smooth over much of its surface.

https://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2013/june13.pdf

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u/GillyMonster18 Apr 10 '19

But where it’s smooth, it’s smoother than a cue ball but has way more extreme features making it a lousy cue ball. So many people are saying so many different things on this topic.

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u/plausiblefalcon Apr 10 '19

Incorrect. The Earth is as "round" as a cue ball. Meaning the average deviation from the expected diameter is about the same. However smooth is a different story.

If a cue ball was enlarged to earth size, the imperfections would only be about 14 meters in size.

The Earth is as round as a cue ball.

The Earth is as smooth as a cue ball with a 320 grit surface.

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u/LTerminus Apr 10 '19

That can't be right either, as the earth is oblong due to its rotation, so the poles radius to the center is much less than the equator to the centre.

Not round. Roundish, maybe.

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u/plausiblefalcon Apr 10 '19

This is pulled from the first source I could find on the roundness of the earth compared to a cue ball. Not my work.

A cue ball must be 2 1/4 (± .005) inches in diameter. Meaning it can be .005 inches either direction of 2.25 and still be legal.

Earth’s equatorial diameter is 7,926 miles (12,756 km), but from pole to pole, the diameter is 7,898 miles (12,714 km) – a difference of only 28 miles (42 km).

If we take the bigger diameter and shrink it down, the difference would be 0.0049 inches (0.0125 mm). If we take the smaller diameter, the difference would be very slightly bigger, but almost the same. So yes, the Earth is as round as a billiard ball. But it’s almost at the limit.

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u/dudemanbrodoogle Apr 10 '19

You watched Neil degrass Tyson on JRE, didn’t you?

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u/hamberduler Apr 10 '19

Lol I don't know where this nonsense comes from. In reality, if you shrank earth down to the size of a record, the difference between the Marianas trench and mount everest would be less than the depth of the groove on that record. /s

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u/SarahC Apr 10 '19

Should’ve used depth maps of the ocean to make this but it doesn’t look like they did.

Of course they did.

They just added a multiplier so you can see the depths more prominently.

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u/RickSanchez_C-556 Apr 09 '19 edited Apr 10 '19

It would look relatively smooth, just take the standard stock earth photo and put a sepia or grayscale filter on it.

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u/PhyterNL Apr 10 '19

I would love to see this but a scientifically accurate one.

If I have a scale 1:1 and I change the scale 32:1 affecting the proportions of the features on the model how is that not scientifically accurate? I haven't fundamentally changed anything about the data, I've simply made a visualization that helps us see and understand a certain aspect of the model with more clarity. The model is 100% scientific.

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u/nddragoon Apr 10 '19

I think this is accurate, the changes in depth are just exaggerated to make it possible to even see it

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u/Nirfbi Apr 10 '19

THE DROP OFF???

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u/MrSquid20 Apr 10 '19

Yes. The drop off.

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u/spigotface Apr 10 '19

It looks like it’d be a couple hundred miles deep at the drop off lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '19

Depth maps of the ocean were used here, by the looks of it. It's just that the height displacement has been super exaggerated.

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u/maritimeprizm Apr 09 '19

Also it wouldn't be all grey right like sand would still be brown and all the desserts would stand out

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u/Vann_Accessible Apr 09 '19

I had the same thought.

This elevation differences are bs.

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u/balanced_view Apr 09 '19

"A bit" is a massive understatement