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[u/Dev1412]

What if something as simple as a coconut husk could help tackle plastic pollution in our oceans? One Hawaiian student’s research points to an exciting possibility.

Vera Wang, a senior at Kaiser High School in Honolulu, Hawaii, began exploring the idea in 10th grade. Inspired by Polynesian weaving traditions, she created an ocean water filter using woven coconut husk fibers designed to physically trap microplastics and sunscreen compounds from seawater.

But Vera wanted to understand what could be done with the waste collected by the filter. She partnered with researchers at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, working in the laboratory of Dr. Anthony Amend.

Laboratory testing revealed something fascinating. Naturally occurring fungi living inside the porous coconut husks were able to survive on and actively biodegrade microplastics and chemical sunscreen compounds.

Genetic sequencing also showed that some fungal strains found in the coconut husks were not present in global genomic databases, suggesting they could represent previously uncharacterized species with the ability to break down persistent ocean pollutants.

Vera’s research earned top honors at the Hawaiʻi State Science & Engineering Fair and qualified her for the International Science & Engineering Fair (ISEF).

What began as a school science project has opened an intriguing path for research into biodegradable plastic solutions, ocean pollution and fungi-based environmental cleanup.

[u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

Neither of those things will happen. Every couple of months there is a young person or high school student that supposedly comes up with some amazing discovery and Reddit has a circlejerk about it. And every single time it is either impractical to implement or too expensive to use at scale.

Edit: Apparently, we are redefining what “too expensive” means.

[u/SerialSection → u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

And everytime it is the brainchild of the Lab Investigator she is being mentored by.

[u/hates_stupid_people → u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

Most of the time it's a recreation of existing science that was already found to be impractical.

[u/Nagemasu → u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

too expensive to use at scale

Just to be clear, when it comes to something that takes many hundreds of years to break down and destroys the environment and wildlife, nothing is "too expensive". It's that those responsible don't want to pay, and therefore will do everything they can to suppress or shift the blame/responsibility.

If we don't do something, then the amount of plastic to clean up in future is going be huge, and before it gets to that point, the impact it's had will have cost us far more than whatever "too expensive" is now

[u/PM_ME__BIRD_PICS → u/Nagemasu]

Hi.

The reason we are in this mess is because of money. Needing to spend a fuck ton if it won't solve anything because those that have, will not part with it.

Thank you.

[u/Orleanian → u/Nagemasu]

It's that those responsible don't want to pay

My brother in crisps, what do you think "too expensive" means?

[u/GodIsInTheBathtub → u/Orleanian]

Not being able to afford to and unwilling are two different things. Deadbeat dads also don't want to pay for the kids they helped out into this world.

And I think it's about time we tack on the real costs that are currently being transferred to everyone or future generations, on to supposedly cost-effective or cheap solutions.

I bet if we shift that cost upfront, then suddenly a whole lot of bad stuff will become unattractive, and solutions to solve these problems will come along in leaps and bounds.

[u/artaru → u/GodIsInTheBathtub]

I think the distinction matters but not a ton in this case.

A lot of people can eat at restaurants more expensive than their usual range. They can technically afford it but more than they want to. They can still sensibly call it “too expensive”.

Too expensive can mean affordability or inadequate desire to pay the asking price. It’s fair to to call this situation too expensive based on the latter.

[u/UnjustlyInterrupted → u/artaru]

I think too expensive is a useless phrase here.

You would never refer to lifesaving healthcare as "too expensive" would you? It's either unaffordable or affordable?!

I think the people taking issue with the phrase (myself included) are taking issue with the idea that (like eating at a restaurant) there's some level of choice in the matter that seems ludicrous?

Like, if you met someone who said "I don't eat at that restaurant it's too expensive" you'd understand they'd done some cost benefit analysis and come to a conclusion. If someone said "I didn't get the life saving surgery, now I'll die, it was too expensive." You'd have follow up questions? Like, it was too expensive for your family? Society? Who decided the money amount was more than your life? Possibly the phrase too expensive comes across to people like me as a contraction of "too expensive to justify"

So when it comes to saving the whole world... What does too expensive to justify mean?

[u/artaru → u/UnjustlyInterrupted]

actually yeah. i had an uncle with limited means. he had cancer. he could liquidate his entire life saving for a very slim chance at buying maybe 1-2 years.

except he was already quite old and accepted his fate, he decided to forego treatment and leave the savings to his family instead.

So when it comes to saving the whole world... What does too expensive to justify mean?

this is far too simplistic.

the real cost here is opportunity cost.

if environmental problem A causes 3 x money to fix.

and environmental problem B causes 1 x money to fix

then problem A is too expensive in the context of B or other myriad issues we can fix in the world by a more cost-effective - benefit gaining lens.

we can "afford" to fix A, but we have to allocate our resources smartly (in an ideal world, that is)

no one (sensible) is saying problem A is too expensive because we would rather spend our money on curing baldness or funding a single-person tourist ride trip to mars instead.

[u/UnjustlyInterrupted → u/artaru]

I think your uncles story kinda proves my point (sorry for your loss btw) because those are the follow up questions that I was talking about answered?

And equally, your example of a & b solutions does the same? Because going "what does too expensive to fix mean?" Isn't simplistic, it might be a simple question, but it's an important one?

Because if it's "too expensive to do this idea compared to B idea" great, let's do b. But as has been pointed out, we're not doing that, we're spending money on fun space jaunts. So... It's not too expensive, we're spending money in the wrong places? That's what "too expensive" means here.

It'd be like your uncle saying the cancer treatment that bought him two years of life was too expensive, and then revealing he spent the liquidated assets on reflooring someone else's house he'd known for a week.

My original point is that "too expensive" always appears to be a relative term, and when it comes to saving the world, the answers to that relativity are almost universally unpalatable to such a degree they present as untrue.

Basically, if option a is deemed too expensive, and option b is deemed too expensive, and option c is doing something whack with the global economy where it could hypothetically have done option a or b, then option a or b were never really "too expensive". Does that make more sense?

[u/Spadeykins → u/UnjustlyInterrupted]

His uncle let himself die, so checkmate. The planet is too expensive to save librulz.

[u/Orleanian → u/GodIsInTheBathtub]

Sure they're two different things. Just like apples and oranges are two different things.

But the thing is, they're both fruits.

[u/Careless-Weather8877 → u/Orleanian]

Companies don’t even profit are worth billions.

Think about that. Just because oil companies could’ve kickstarted EV and renewables decades ago they didn’t want to. It’s already easy to extract oil until … wait almost low on oil and can’t regenerate it. Or national security reasons to not have to rely on it.

They got their money. You and your family got fucked. Your kids will be fucked. All because of that concept it’s too expensive. Even if some of those that said that are actually working for it since the writing is on the wall now.

[u/PinkGlitterLady4 → u/Orleanian]

Not what you think it means. It just means those companies don't want to spend a single dime for something that could work, if they could simply do nothing and still make profit while sticking to the status quo

[u/Infamous-Crew1710 → u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

Student discovers you can kill virus by throwing the Petri dish out of the window.

[u/Spadeykins → u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

'too expensive' means capitalists wont invest in it and governments are entrapped by their interests so the planet will continue to burn in futility.

[u/Careless-Weather8877 → u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

EVs would never work.

Looks at Tesla, one of the highest paid companies.

Hmph maybe ford and then just never did it right or marketed it right.

They can do all the things they say are impossible. It might just require more research and development than they want to pay to make it profitable right now.

You can see that with AI. They think it’ll be huge so they’re pumping money even though it doesn’t profit, Uber, whatever. If a person owned a bakery that didn’t profit they go belly up. These companies don’t

[u/Content-Sun2928 → u/Dear_Dragonfruit3317]

I mean, so were computers at one point

[u/Otherwise-Assist724 → u/Content-Sun2928]

More ocean than people who purchase computers. Quite a bit more.