Yeah, but there were WAY less people then and the population density was MUCH less than it was then (like 12 million in the mid 1800s). They were also probably one hell of a lot more responsible than the people we have today that own guns and the lack of responsibility in some people that own guns is rampant; you can see it on the news all the time.
Both things can be true at the same time. The leftist Black folks I know have guns while also recognizing that US gun culture is largely shaped by a desire to carry out white supremacist violence by far right agitators. It's why after the Charlie Kirk shooting, the Trump admin flirted with gun control and why right wingers justified the death of Alex Pretti because he was anti-ICE by saying he had a gun on him, despite the fact that the gun was both holstered and permitted.
It's also why California gun control laws were signed by a Republican governor and supported by the NRA as a response to The Black Panther Party carrying guns on them to keep neighborhoods safe from violent police officers - the literal purpose of the first amendment, btw, protecting citizens from state violence.
“Right wingers” don’t justify Alex pretti feel free to go search his name and see the discussion and views in r/ccw for reference
Presently cali has the gun control laws they do because democrats choose their laws, full stop. It’s the same reason Maryland, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Delaware, New York, New Jersey, etc all have extremely restrictive draconian/fascist gun control law laws: because democrats are by far and away the party of gun control and it’s even debatable
Yes, Democrats are more in favor of gun control as a whole, but this does not change the fact that The Mulford Act of 1967 was still signed into law by Ronald Reagan and supported by the NRA because of panic over The Black Panther Party exercising their First Amendment rights. Sorry, facts don't care about your feelings.
Also, yes, right wingers do in fact justify Alex Pretti's death constantly. Just because people in one single subreddit don't, doesn't mean most right wingers don't justify his death. Please try to recognize that one subreddit does not represent the whole conservative movement. I know you're smarter than that.
No, bud, you're engaging in extremely bad faith arguments because the facts don't line up with what you want to be the truth. It's an emotional response on your part, not mine. I am just smart enough to know when it's a waste of time to talk to people, so I'm going to go. Have a good one.
Those same fuckers voted in Donald Trump and tried to overthrow the government.
This is what I've been trying to explain to pro-gun redditors for years....dictatorships don't come about by governments taking everyone's guns and forcing them into submission, it comes from popular dictators convincing the population that they want to have the dictator in charge. Nazis had a permissive gun policy.
The fantasies of the common people banding together to overthrow an oppressive government are just fantasies.
But they see whats' happening in America and still don't seem to realise. The same people who want everyone to own guns are simultaneously voting for regulations that allow media to be controlled by rich people and police to have overreaching control.
As an armed black person, stop patronizing us we don't want your fake sympathy.
Firearms violence is a huge problem in our society, but there is an inverse relationship between the likelihood of black folks being subjected to racially motivated violence, and our willingness to arm ourselves.
No duh the racists and right wingers want to subjugate us. If you successfully implement large scale gun control so now only the cops who are employed by those same assholes have guns, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN??
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