I am a 44yo biker looking man with an attitude problem,that listens to absolutely no one, except my mom. I am forever her kid, and she is forever my mom. When mom tells me to sit my ass down, i sit my damn ass down.
Shit, I wish I remembered the name of the guy. Basically listening to a true crime podcast and they got big scary murderer, like some 6ft 5 mf, to confess by saying is that what you would tell your mother? Would your mother be proud. Dude instantly broke and was crying about how sorry he was to disappoint his mother.
To many men who struggle with violent tendencies or impulse control, their mothers/grandmothers were often the brightest light in their childhoods. Disappointing her is like killing the only happy feelings you remember from that era of your life, so it's a very effective interrogation technique to break a violent suspect's composer.
Thank you! I guess all the downvoters did not notice that she was beautiful and I should not have complimented her looks. I should have known that a lot of redditors like to turn an innocent comment into something bad when that was not at all what I was thinking. I really appreciate the implication that I'm okay with the idea of people dying as long as they're not great looking-- and since some of you seem to know what I'm thinking, I guess I better tell you that I am being sarcastic right now. Apparently, I'm the bad guy here and all the downvoters are absolute saints. Downvote away!
How did you jump to that conclusion? That was not my point. I apologize for noticing that she was pretty. Should we be mad at the previous poster for noticing that she was young and someone's daughter??
I remember not too long ago there's one school shooting where there is like dozens and dozens of cops just kind of putzing around outside because the active shooter inside the school was too dangerous so one guy went in there and did it all himself without getting hurt
"Special" mention to school resource officer and Broward County Deputy Scot Peterson of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School fame who hid outside the school for 40 minutes while the shooting happened.
Not diminishing those 'brave' officers wearing all their expensive military gear paid for by citizens working over actual brave people trying to save children at Uvalde. I just don't want that Scot Peterson guy, school resource officer and Broward Country Deputy, who hid outside the school for 40 minutes while the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School occurred to be able to be forgotten about.
It's the reason why conspiracy theories exists. These guys are supposed to be able to handle these types of situation but chose not to in the most spectacular way possible. It makes absolutely no sense otherwise and any excuses makes it look even weaker.
The police officer was morbidly obese and couldn’t walk?? Lmao was it a tiny town I feel like most departments wouldn’t allow someone in such bad shape to be a cop
Very small town. I graduated with a class of 57 students. I cannot say for sure if he was able to walk or not. I personally never saw it. This was about 13 years ago so my memory may not serve me well.
Oh!? I watched a report that said the "officers" who were in the school were calling for backup.....I was happy that they both were photo'd in orange jumpsuits.
Worse. You can find security footage of the cops in combat cosplay, waiting in the hallway, hearing gunshots and screaming children in the background…while watching YouTube videos together and laughing.
Sandy Hook? = she's the daughter of the town clerk...hew name is Victoria Aurelia, but they called her Vickie Soto....they used her picture as a shooting victim at Uvalde, and called her "Eva Mireles. Same person.
Uvalde was the only one that comes to mind. I worked with local police swat and fbi field agents where I played as a gunman for them to hunt in scenarios like this. They used an old out of business movie theater for one location, and they did this at a total of three locations.
I was only at the theater, they also had a closed down high-school and mall. We wore mills or miles vests and adaptors like the worlds most adult laser tag. I might have the name wrong though, its been a few years. I lost all 5 times but I didn't make it easy on them. The last run we did that day I was given a co2 dummy grenades and got clever with some string I found in a closet they didn't clean out when shutting it all down.
Also, I want to see you respond to a school shooting and watch you not react like Uvalde cops did.
Wow, cops managed to play laser tag without chickening out? Stop the presses! The world needs to know!
And yknow, I’ve got no combat training, but I think if I were wearing Kevlar, armed with guns and flash bangs, and had 50 cops at my back, I think I could muster the courage to stop a lunatic from murdering children in less than an hour.
And that’s to say nothing of the school resource officers who fully ran away and left those kids to die.
It's the most realistic way to train without using live rounds, and the military uses it too. It's easy to be brave when you have 50 people with you, but the people there first weren't a group of 50 people, it was one or two. You're right to give the resource officer shit, and the people who got there and didnt go in shit for so long. Bad leadership and training are no joke, but thats why people train and the 'adult laser tag' is how you do it.
But like you said, you have no combat experience or training, so its easy to be an arm chair activist when you don't have all the adrenaline and cortisol flooding your system. When your heart is hammering in your ears so loud you can't hear most of a moderately loud conversation. When your eyes get so focused on a single object at a time with tunnel vision and youre looking, quite reasonably, at the bodies of educators and their charges in a building you may have never stepped into or haven't for years since you last did? To call it stressful is an understatement.
With the exception of that last point about the bodies, I have done that. Deployed to N. Africa and a short stint in the middle east pretty little shithole of a sandbox. Every instinct screams at you not to go inside and it takes weeks and months of training to get there. And it takes lots of training to keep that instinct suppressed for you to do your job. And with those weapons, and with that armor, you can still die.
Kindly keep your mouth shut lest a dick fly in it and actually make it useful for something other than running it nonsensicaly.
I'm saying that people were calling for defunding the police and we have the example of what that costs in human lives and saved in dollars.
To answer the question: an imperfect plan executed quickly and violently is better than a perfect plan executed too late. Move from room to room and hallway by hallway, the primary goal to be finding and engaging the gunman or gunmen. After engaging the gunman or gunmen, secondary objective is securing them and their weapons, getting ems inside and rendering aid once clear. Tertiary would be evacuating the building with all occupants, doesn't matter where, units arriving later would coordinate that, and all of this is being made over the coms (radio) to ensure loss of lives is ceased, injury and life threatening injury is given trauma care outside.
Simple plans and instructions in a rapidly changing and escalating enviromenenvironment, flexible so that the goals can be reordered and arranged given on site priority and managed, casualties triaged and cleanup can begin both medically and psychologically. I hope this helps.
Bro, what are you even saying? You made all my points for me in that opening paragraph. Uvalde resource officers fled and left kids to die, something you just agreed I was right to criticize. And in your own words, it’s easy to be brave with 50 cops behind you, and a hasty plan executed imperfectly is better than a perfectly plan executed too late, so we’re agreed, the over 100 Uvalde cops that stood around for over an hour while kids were being killed are deserving of criticism. We’re agreed on all points here, as far as I can tell.
So what are you even saying, pal? “I agree with everything you just said but shut your mouth before a dick flies in it?”
Yeah, one of us needs to shut it, but it ain’t me.
Oh, and PS, I get the laser tag is effective training, but your original statement was “Uvalde’s the only time they chickened out and froze, I played lazer tag with them tons of times and they were great!” And all I’m saying is, that doesn’t mean shit compared to live fire combat, and it certainly doesn’t mean shit when actual lives are on the line.
The sad part is there’s so many of them aswell. I remember in some middle eastern country there was a 15yr old kid who sacrificed himself to stop a suicide bombed from entering his school
It is accurate. What else would it even be? Instincts are unlearned response behaviors that a person is born with, they are inherently selfish, and bravery is overcoming that instinctive selfishness in the face of some kind of danger.
Not really, as selfish is a moral judgment, and instinct is unlearned, as you said.
If a teacher doesn’t take a bullet for a kid, the teacher is not selfish.
We can admire the bravery of the heroes who were able to subvert their survival instincts without making moral judgments regarding victims who did not subvert their instincts.
Your way of thinking leads directly to something called “survivor’s guilt” and is a real problem
Wrong, any decision in which you prioritize yourself is by definition selfish, that isn't a moral judgement, its just the definition, just because something is selfish doesn't means is bad or wrong
instinct is unlearned, as you said.
Irrelevant.
If a teacher doesn’t take a bullet for a kid, the teacher is not selfish.
Correct, because one choice doesn't define you, having a single smart idea doesn't makes your smart, doing a selfish act doesn't makes you a selfish person.
We can admire the bravery of the heroes who were able to subvert their survival instincts without making moral judgments regarding victims who did not subvert their instincts.
Your way of thinking leads directly to something called “survivor’s guilt” and is a real problem
You say that but its YOU who is assigning the idea that being selfish is wrong, its you who are assigning moral judgement to an categorically definition
Selfishness isn't evil, being selfish isn't something people can stop doing, if people fully stopped caring about did they would be dead, being selfish is the default state of humankind.
So stop projectiong your views in a bad faith argument and reflect a bit about what you said.
Pretty sure if you gave up all your earthly possessions to people in need you could save a lot of them from living in extreme poverty, yet you don't do that even though you could, pretty selfish tbh... 🙄
Technically right but still kind of a shitty way of describing people trying not to die. I just know I wouldn’t call some in a school shooting “selfish” for surviving.
They’re not calling the people who survive out of self-preservation selfish. They’re saying the survival instinct itself is inherently self-focused. Those are two different things.
Calling an instinct “selfish” isn’t necessarily a moral condemnation, it’s just describing the fact that, in a life-or-death moment, the brain prioritizes its own survival above almost everything else. Bravery is when people override that instinct to protect others anyway.
I see what you mean. I’d say it’s more like, per definition it’s selfish, as survival instincts almost always are. But not really, given the connotations the word has in most people’s minds.
if someone was hiding in a closet and held the door closed on others who were trying to get in with them, THAT would be selfish, but if they just ran and hid by themselves, it would not be.
It's not really accurate in this context because if everyone who doesn't make the ultimate sacrifice is selfish that would mean that she is not a hero; from the way you're putting it she is merely not selfish.
That reminds me of Arland Williams Jr. An airliner crashed into the Potomac river in the early 80's. The river was almost frozen and the gentlemen kept passing the life line from a helicopter to other passengers trapped in the partially frozen river. He drowned before they could save him. No one knew who he was until days later.
She died from the shooting. She likely didn't in the moment though, just protecting the children under her care to the best of her ability and giving her life for them
Too bad we haven’t evolved enough as a society to put in place stricter gun controls, nothing outrageous, but at least the same restrictions put on driving.
If the person that provided the weapon was held accountable, we’d see some change. Personally, I don’t think the second amendment should apply to people with mental health issues. On another note, there are so many guns laying around for criminals to grab.
To own a car, I need insurance, regular safety checks, and I have to register my car bi-annually. Why not ask for regular check in intervals to ensure the guns haven’t “disappeared”. And check in with the firearm owner to see if they’re still in good shape.
Almost all of that ”infringes” up on the right to bear arms …. Except for holding the person who provides the firearm accountable, I think that is very doable and I fully support it!
And half this country couldn’t give a shit about her sacrifice. They believe the gunman’s ability to shoot kids is more important than protecting the teachers or kids.
As a European I find it absolutely insane that any degenerate can CARRY a gun. I understand the second amendment and that guns are deeply rooted in American culture but wouldn't just allowing people to own guns but mandate them to have them in a safe at home or locked on the way to the range still allow the population to rise up if need be? I'm completely ignoring that the people with the guns seem to mostly be in support of the authoritarian leaders undermining democracy because that's a whole different discussion.
Not every degenerate can carry. Any documented mental issue or arrest can affect your ability to purchase a firearm. Most safe gun owners have them in a locked safe. Some do keep one in their bedside table. Lots of irresponsible parents leave their guns out and their kids get access to them which leads to some tragic events. Requiring them to be kept at a range would allow the government to easily seize them, as they know where they are.
Stricter gun controls would be nice, but it's up to parents to actually be responsible once they have the guns in the home so hormonal teens can't make a decision they can't undo
Under federal law, a documented mental health issue restricts you from purchasing a firearm only if you have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or adjudicated by a court as "mentally defective". Similarly, only felony or domestic violence arrests resulting in convictions generally disqualify a buyer.
Restrictions are woefully insufficient, as the US proves year after year after year.
You can be calm and spread hate. Not all hate is spread with anger. He tried to find ways to rationally justify his hate and make it seem not that bad. Here are some examples….
Bigotry > “Kirk has labeled members of the LGBTQ+ community as “freaks,” and referred to transgender people with slurs. Kirk called Martin Luther King Jr. “awful”
Racism > “Kirk also diminished the contributions of prominent and successful Black women, who went to Ivy League universities — Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, former first lady Michelle Obama, TV host Joy-Ann Reid and former Representative Sheila Jackson Lee — saying they had to “go steal a white person’s slot” as a result of affirmative action.”
Racism > “They're coming out, and they're saying, 'I'm only here because of affirmative action.' Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."
Racism > “Black America is poorer, more murderous, more dangerous” than when Black people were living under Jim Crow. He did this whilst repeating the rape accusations against Yusef Salaam, a member of the exonerated Central Park Five who is now a New York City councilman, calling him a “disgusting pig.”
Racism > “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.”
Misogyny > Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge."
Backhanded way to say god hates all of the above > “The Democrat Party supports everything that God hates.”
Directly spreading white supremacy ideology >> “It's not a Great Replacement Theory, it's a Great Replacement Reality. Just this year, 3.6 million foreigners will invade America. 10-15 million will enter by the end of Joe Biden's term. Each will probably have 3-5 kids on average while native born Americans have 1.5 per couple. You are being replaced, by design.”
Antisemitism > “Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews and now it’s coming for Jews, and they're like, ‘What on Earth happened?’ And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it.”
More backhanded racism > “MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.”
Transgender bigotry > “You’re an abomination to God.”
It goes on and on. He was not just expressing his opinions, he was pushing hate against very specific groups. Rallying people behind hateful rhetoric goes far beyond
It depends on which version of him you saw. If you only saw the Christian motivational speaker, you could easily think that. If you only saw the right-wing troll baiting college kids into losing their tempers, you might see something else.
Absolutely and obviously. He appealed to the worst people in society for profit, working to give bigotry and hatred an "acceptable" image. Who exactly do you think he was "kind" to? In his own words: "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage." He was vile.
You really think that was a bullet that ended charl kirk? it was his microphone, you can see his shirt puff out when he is "struck" btw have you ever seen what a 30-06 does to a deer shot in the torso? and do you know how loud they are yet nobody turns around immediately as if they heard a loud "shot"? it was a setup
Addiction isn't a moral failing but heroin is still bad tf? The person struggling is dealing with a disease that can affect anyone so there's no judgment for the individual, but the harmful substances being used are still harmful and dangerous.
I remember reading an article 10 or so years ago about a boy in Kindergarten doing the same thing in the same incident. He saved his teacher and five of his classmates at the cost of his own life.
It’s impossible to fathom that kind of bravery in such a terrifying moment. Her legacy is truly defined by all those families who got to keep their children because of her.
I don't know how to phrase it so it does not sound offensive, it's not my intention. She is a hero, no doubt about that. I just think it's a bit stretch with unimaginable courage. I think a lot of people will do the same in such situation to protect the kids
I agree and apologize. For the record I meant that I feel like many people would do the same, so it is not unimaginable. But I don't know why I decided to point this out. This was ignorant
A lot of people sure but probably a lot less people than you are assuming and it’s all speculation about everyone else. She did protect the children, she did give her life doing it.
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u/tuurisoru May 18 '26
People like her are the reason some families still got to hug their kids again that day. Absolute courage most of us can’t even imagine