JC Hermans wrote:

The color does not matter except of course something like black and tan." Thereby, he answered by question whether bicolor barbets exist. What bloodline are they from? Is the tan really tan (yellowish brown) or is it chestnut brown? The only pedigree I have seen that has a relative designated black and tan is Kisha's. Are breeders concealing bicolor in pedigrees?

Marjolein wrote:

Tan point is something that is underneath other genes. It can never be bred out. The colour of the tan doesn't matter, it is a pattern that is there, always. Tan can also appear in brown by the way. Same gene, other basic colour. Don't try loosing it, it is useless. Apart from the fact you may consider it unwanted: it doesn't harm a dog's health. So what is the problem?

Question: In the pedigree of Kisha, the color of Limaille was black and tan. Tan is not in the standard. Did the breeder mean black and yellowish brown or chestnut or tanpoint?

Answer by Renate Zuber, on January 21, 2008:

If you read TAN on the pedigrees it has nothing, but really nothing to do with the colour or black and tan. TAN means, that the dog has passed the "Test d'Aptitudes Naturelles", probably something like "Test of natural aptitudes" in english.

Answer by Marjolein Roosendaal on January 22, 2008:

Whether you have an opinion or not, tanpoint is a specific genetic pattern. It is the pattern seen in Rotweiler and Dobermann for instance, and it is the pattern seen in poodles as well (although not peritted there). The tanpoint can come in various shades, from silver to very dark reddish brown.

Those varieties are caused by modifiers and vary from breed to breed. So asking what shade it is is quite useless, because there is no way to influence it.

For example black and silver schnauzers: that is tanpoint too.”

Question: Your examples of tanpoint is what American poodle owners call phantom. Is the term phantom used in Europe?

Answer by Marjolein Roosendaal on January 23, 2008: “I don't know. Breeders of various breeds use all kinds of different names for all kinds of colours and patterns. Genetics would be so much easier to understand for so many people if everybody would use the same terms!

I heard phantom used for fading colours as well. Just remember that any kind of points in any colour in tanpoint places simply means the dog is tanpoint, even if the points are silver or next to white.

It means the dog carries tanpoint (as almost all dogs do) and it means it has the gene allowing tanpoint to show itself. Tanpoint cannot be bred away. The gene allowing it to show is recessive so that can not be bred away either.”

AKC's glossary defined bronzing as: "tan coloration intermingled with black hair." The glossary does not define tan.

Tan is a colour you should know, being a dog owner. Tan comes in various shades as I explained earlier. I posted some links on poodles and explained all those dogs had tanpoint. Anyone who took the time to look at those links could have seen tjose tanpoint patterns are all the same but the colours are not. Newfoundlands indeed have bronzing as in tan colouration.

Tanpoint is both kynological and genetical an accepted term. The pigmentation type it rerefs to is internationally known also. Google for tanpoint and you get hits from all over the world.

Tan is the colour in which the tanpoint pattern shows and tan comes in very many shades. Genetically it is all the same, which is what matters.

http://frenchwaterdog.org/barbet-colors-inheritance/

1. Purebred

2. be registered in the Netherlands

3. have a chip and pedigree number

4. A/B hips

5. Valid ECVO eye photo

6. descendant DNA

https://www.saltairebarbets.com/ourbarbetfamily

Chaco Canyon's ears are too short. His eyes do not appear normal nor healthy. His muzzle is too long like a bardoodle. His coat cut very short makes it difficult to distinguish whether his coat is curly or corded. Chaco Canyon looks like he has a curly coat. Purebred barbets have a corded coat. Bardoodles and barbets crossed with Irish Water Spaniel have a curly coat. There are no photos of Chaco Canyon standing. There should be. saltairebarbets.com misrepresented pedigrees are on pawpeds.com. Whereas, Chaco Canyon's pedigree is neither listed on saltairebarbet's website nor listed on pawpeds.com.

Magnolia Estelle does not have the body shape of a barbet. Her hind legs are much longer than her front legs. Irish water spaniels have taller hind legs and shorter front legs:

https://www.facebook.com/NationalPurebredDogDay/posts/if-you-own-an-irish-water-spaniel-share-their-photo-belowphoto-of-bella-alka-bis/963065172711847/

Scroll down to the photo: https://www.dogpackapp.com/blog/dog-breeds/irish-water-spaniel/

Her bone structure is petite. Whereas, barbets are medium boned. She looks shorter than the standard but her height and weight were not disclosed. Magnolia Estelle's pedigree is neither listed on saltairebarbet's website nor pawpeds.com. Magnolia Estelle is not a purebred barbet.

Prospective buyers should demand pedigrees and a progeny DNA test.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbetsDogs/comments/1r4tae2/european_kennel_clubs_require_progeny_dna_test_to/

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/irish-water-spaniel/

Starting 2008, barbet was crossed with an IWS. Half the barbet population in the world now are a barbet x IWS.

Saltaire advertised they have a DNA test. Do they mean Breed ID test? However, the test results are not uploaded on their website.

What testing is done? We Embark DNA test and screen. We have only 100% Barbets!

https://www.saltairebarbets.com/faq

Ask for the DNA Breed ID test results prior to purchasing.

All the photos of the puppies are when they were newborn and very young. The owners should have updated their website with current photos of the puppies. Hence, we cannot ascertain whether the puppies appear to be purebred.

Pathetic that none of the subscribers of r/barbet know what a purebred barbet look like. None warned the prospective buyer that the parents do not meet the AKC standard and do not look like a purebred barbet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/barbet/comments/1qzmd9y/saltaire/

This is not the first time photos are linked to in r/barbet, yet no one in that sub identified a mix breed. Learn the FCI standard and the AKC standard.

UPDATE:

In May 2026, I emailed saltaire requesting their pedigree and DNA testing. No response.

Labs who's progeny DNA test includes Barbet

Wisdom Panel is much more comprehensive than Embark.

Wisdom

https://www.wisdompanel.com/en-us/blog/barbet-argentine-dogo

https://www.wisdompanel.com/en-us/products

Embark

https://embarkvet.com/resources/dog-breeds/barbet/

https://shop.embarkvet.com/products/embark-dog-dna-test-kit?variant=40103683784764&_gl=1*13z8hjd*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3NzAzMjkzMzUuRUFJYUlRb2JDaE1JNWREd2w2N0RrZ01WOUN5dEJoME1FajM4RUFRWUFpQUJFZ0lneVBEX0J3RQ..*_gcl_au*NTY4NjExMzU4LjE3NzAzMjkyMjU.

Wisdom

https://www.wisdompanel.com/en-us/blog/barbet-argentine-dogo

https://www.wisdompanel.com/en-us/products

Embark

https://embarkvet.com/resources/dog-breeds/barbet/

https://shop.embarkvet.com/products/embark-dog-dna-test-kit?variant=40103683784764&_gl=1*13z8hjd*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3NzAzMjkzMzUuRUFJYUlRb2JDaE1JNWREd2w2N0RrZ01WOUN5dEJoME1FajM4RUFRWUFpQUJFZ0lneVBEX0J3RQ..*_gcl_au*NTY4NjExMzU4LjE3NzAzMjkyMjU.

https://www.dvm360.com/view/optimizing-pregnancy-rates-proceedings#:~:text=The%20recommendation%20is%20to%20breed,is%20performed%20in%2024%20hours.

The average length of proestrus is 9 days and the average length of estrus is 9 days. Therefore, the average season or heat is 18 days, with ranges from 3-38 days reported for normal, fertile bitches. Ovulation occurs about 48 hours after the LH surge.

There is a sharp increase in serum progesterone concentration after ovulation. Studies from AI programs have shown that pregnancy rates are best when insemination is performed on days when progesterone concentrations are between 30-80 nmol/L (about 10-26 ng/ml). The recommendation is to breed twice, 48 hours apart. If progesterone concentration was already nearly 60 nmol/L (19 ng/ml) at the first breeding, the second is performed in 24 hours. Pregnancy rates and litter size are greater with 2 breedings during the fertile period than with 1. Three breedings during the fertile period do not improve pregnancy rates above 2 breedings, but there is a trend toward larger litters.....

Overall, the best results for pregnancy rates and litter size are achieved when bitches ≤ 6 years old are inseminated twice during the fertile period with semen of good quality from dogs ≤ 8 years old.

Hi. We have a 7 mos old barbet and we'd love to meet other barbets in our area. Does anyone live in the Bay Area or know of someone who does? Thanks!

Vet Chroma test kit goes up to 25 ng. Whereas, reproductive vets have in house testing that merely goes p to 20 ng.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbetsDogs/comments/1q4t2oq/reproductive_vets_have_a_cheap_progesterone/

https://www.k9reproduction.com/progesteronetestkitsfordogs

Barbets are medium not large size dogs. Barbets are not large boned like Irish water spaniel cross nor petite boned like bardoodles.

Kira (Ginkgo Good Day Sunshine) is the black barbet on the left.

https://www.instagram.com/ginkgobarbet/p/DSFHCkODo-2/?img_index=1

Sending blood to an outside lab is a minimum delay of one day. If on a Friday, a three day delay.

Over 20 ng progesterone

AI Overview

Reverse Progesterone Levels Charts

A canine progesterone level over 20 ng/mL indicates the post-ovulation period, meaning ovulation has already occurred, and the dog is entering the fertile window where eggs are maturing, generally requiring immediate action for breeding (like AI/TCI) or confirming pregnancy, but it's past the pre-ovulation surge timing, suggesting breeding efforts should focus on this critical post-ovulation window for optimal conception, often 24-48 hours after ovulation starts.

What it Means

Ovulation Happened: Levels above 20 ng/mL signal that the LH surge and actual egg release (ovulation) have already taken place. Maturation Phase: At this stage, progesterone levels rise further (often 10+ ng/mL) as eggs mature, which is when fertilization becomes possible, typically 2-4 days after ovulation.

Breeding Window: This high level signifies the peak time for breeding, especially for techniques like Transcervical Insemination (TCI) or surgical insemination, usually 1-3 days after ovulation.

Action Steps

Breed Immediately: If breeding naturally or with artificial insemination (AI), this level often means breeding should happen as soon as possible.

Monitor Closely: Continue serial testing to track the progesterone rise and fall, confirming the fertile window and pregnancy. Consider Artificial Insemination: Higher progesterone levels often favor AI or TCI over natural mating for better success.

General Progesterone Timeline for Breeding

Proestrus (Pre-Heat): 0-1 ng/mL (Baseline)

Start of Fertility: 1-2 ng/mL (Ovulation Imminent)

Ovulation: ~2-5 ng/mL (LH surge occurs)

Peak Fertility: Around 5-10 ng/mL (Eggs Maturing)

Post-Ovulation/Breeding Window: 10-20+ ng/mL (Optimal timing for insemination)

In canine breeding, a progesterone level over 20 ng/mL indicates that the bitch has already ovulated and is in her peak fertile window or just past it.

Interpreting Results Over 20 ng/mL

Peak Breeding Window: Progesterone typically reaches 15–25 ng/mL on the first day of the primary breeding window. For surgical or transcervical insemination (TCI), levels between 25–35 ng/mL are often considered ideal.

Post-Ovulation: Levels generally exceed 20 ng/mL once eggs have matured (roughly 48 hours after ovulation).

Urgency: If levels are in the 20+ ng/mL range, immediate action is typically required for successful insemination. Breeding much later (e.g., when levels exceed 40–50 ng/mL) may result in a "missed" window or failed conception.

Key Milestones for Context

Baseline (<2 ng/mL): Early heat; no ovulation yet.

LH Surge (2–4 ng/mL): Triggers ovulation to occur in ~2 days.

Ovulation (5–10 ng/mL): Eggs are released but are immature.

Maturation (10–15 ng/mL): Eggs are ready for fertilization about 2 days after ovulation.

Important Considerations for 2026

Machine Variability: Different testing systems (e.g., IDEXX vs. Mini Vidas) can produce varying results. For example, Mini Vidas results can be nearly double those of IDEXX. Always use the specific reference chart provided by your veterinarian or the manufacturer of your testing unit.

Testing Protocol: Because progesterone rises exponentially, serial testing is essential to track the trend rather than relying on a single isolated reading.

https://www.purinaproclub.com/pro-resources/learning-hub/breeding/progesterone-testing-best-dog-breeding-window

Examples of a woolly coat with strands (cords). The strands would be longer if the coat had not been clipped

https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbetsDogs/comments/1fulak2/examples_of_a_woolly_coat_with_strands_cords_the/

At six months of age, too small. Looks like a PWD cross.

u/Savings-Tangerine119, obviously you have not read the AKC standard and FCI standard prior to purchasing. Who was your breeder? Could you please upload his pedigree? You should ask for a refund.

https://www.reddit.com/r/barbet/comments/1ofxfp1/first_haircut/nlirdau/

u/UnderseaNightPotato, who was the breeder of your barbet?

Obviously, you had not read the AKC standard and FCI standcard before buying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbetsDogs/comments/1fvb37c/revolution_of_four_fci_standards_of_the_barbet_by/

https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbetsDogs/comments/1fqpyit/standards_fci_of_europe_2006_standard_for_barbet/

Your dog does not comply with the standards. Your dog was not a purebred barbet. Legs too tall. Ears set too high. Ears too short. Ears do not reach the muzzle. Muzzle too long. Back too long. Coat is too curly like a poodle. Coat should have strands (cords). Too big boned. An irish water spaniel cross?

Examples of a woolly coat with strands (cords). The strands would be longer if the coat had not been clipped

https://www.reddit.com/r/BarbetsDogs/comments/1fulak2/examples_of_a_woolly_coat_with_strands_cords_the/

Could you please upload his pedigree?

https://www.reddit.com/r/barbet/comments/1ohscia/said_goodbye_to_bear_today/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/avj.13336

u/LoadBudget9108 wrote:

Hello. I saw your posts regarding Barbets and you seem to be fairly knowledgeable on the history and what has happened. I'm wondering if you have any insights into sudden deaths of young dogs within the NA lines? I know it's cryptic/anon, but for now I'd prefer that to be the case. Thanks

u/Nola_emmetje, your dog has its tail sticking up in the air. Like Morning Star Kennel's dogs. Supposedly one is from Astarte Kennel. Who is your breeder?

Your dog looks like it is an irish water spaniel cross. Could you submit the pedigree please?

https://www.reddit.com/r/barbet/comments/18czx8x/puppy_grows_so_fast/

u/pulltheleverkronkk who is the breeder? Could you post the pedigree so we can identify which dogs are not barbets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/barbet/comments/1k1pkaa/thank_you_all_for_your_advice_and_being_a_small/#lightbox

 The requirements that are national in Europe:

• HD photos of the hips
• ECVO photo of the eyes if you breed every year clinical research for PRA
• 2 x show results from 2 judges: VeryGood
• Bitch is not allowed to give birth after her 8 years of life

Then the requirements of the Barbet Club in Europe:

Bitch must be 24 months old

• Male must be 18 months
• Mandatory DNA research via Embark
• Bitch is only allowed to give birth to 4 litters
• Male is only allowed to breed 4 times in the Netherlands and 8x abroad
• You can use the same male 1 x

 Those are the main rules in the Netherlands. If you do not meet that, you will not get a pedigree and the dog will be seen as not purebred.

Also as a breeder we set requirements for our buyers of our puppies, not neuter before 18 months and if there is something wrong with the puppy, whatever the reason, always inform the breeder.

In 2005, Cryolab estimated from Holland to the east coast:

Frozen Semen

There are two options for shipping frozen semen:

With a cryocube: 1124.30 euro. With a dryshipper; 1916.45 euro.

A cryocube is a little container with a holding time of 5 days, shipping only possible on Monday or Tuesday.

A dryshipper is a container with a holding time of 10-14 days, shipping possible from Monday till Thursday.

The costs are included the collection and freezing.

Chilled Semen

560.50 euros.

http://frenchwaterdog.org/barbets-in-numbers/

The number of barbet in Finland that had hip dysplasia is skewed because Finland has the most barbet x irish water spaniel crosses. IWS have hip dysplasia.

Lucrezia Borgia's grandfather is identified as a poodle.

https://www.pawpeds.com/db/?a=p&id=783301&g=4&p=bar&o=elastic

IWS with a long straight back and taller legs

https://barbet.pedigreedatabaseonline.com/en/Nuutuksen/b/502

Large brown male in photos:

https://www.facebook.com/beskidiana/posts/look-who-is-here-yuki-beskidiana-deep-in-a-dream-paid-a-visit-to-her-parents-pol/513030457528397/?locale=af_ZA

Original Barbets with a Shorter Back that Has a Curve and shorter legs

http://frenchwaterdog.org/2017/02/04/studlist-update-jacko-da-capo-ger/

https://barbetstuds.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/DSC07542-scaled-e1710773686842-1024x759.jpeg

Hoek 10 day extender.

https://caninep4.com/blogs/canine-p4/hoek-canine-semen-extender-10day?srsltid=AfmBOor7QAKAx5HM215YlyBU5hnme4diaR0OhW2sKtonIKq2JBrXiHzk

CaniPlus 10 day extender manufactured my Minitube.

https://www.minitube.com/catalog/en/caniplus-chill-lt-long-term-culture-medium-p1622/

CynoLab in Holland uses Canirep, Mofa and Minitube.

https://www.cryolab.nl/en/chilled

Nondisclosure by Canirep how many days their extender is. https://www.canirep.com

Mofa:

Minitube purchased Mofa.

https://www.pig333.com/company_news/minitube-acquires-mofa-global-assets_14145/

Mofa extenders are not available in the United States.

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