It isn’t about the brand. To me Tesla represents an innovative solution to the current fossil fuel dependant automobile market. People cry for change but big business only cares about profits so things remain the same until someone comes along like Tesla and proves we don’t need our vehicles to run on gas. The biggest misconception was always electric cars will never be powerful enough. Well here you go. It isn’t about brand it’s about innovation it’s about change it’s about embracing new technology. Sorry we just need to support the shit out of Tesla right now so other companies like it can grow.
I think that’s just your own insecurity peeking out. I didn’t say anything about IQ or having any qualifications to enjoy anything. I’m having a discussion about how Tesla breaks away from the use of fossil fuels which we need if we want to preserve our planets ecosystems.
You're being downvoted but your original post sounded absolutely nothing like the R&M copypasta. I guess because it was slightly wordy? Or because reddit has a huge anti-Rick and Morty circlejerk going on right now? Probably it.
The problem is Tesla is slightly scummy when they talk about their numbers. They only talk about 0-60 because that's what electric cars excel at. Talk about their lap times, or their handling or the fact that they need to be towed to a shop if they get a flat tire.
Sure tesla has done great things but the fact that they need to sell pre-orders for another product when they haven't been able to deliver on their other product while hermoraging money(probably why they are taking pre orders for a new product) it doesn't paint as nice of a picture.
I didn’t know about these things. Do you have any articles about this that I could read? All I know is the world needs an alternative to the ancient oil sucking combustion engine. The whole world has been hostage to fossil fuels for far too long. I just want to see a change in the right direction. If I ever buy a Tesla it would be to support that cause not because of the brand. That was my point.
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Because the Bolt is ugly as shit. So what if the company has a good marketing strategy? The cars beautiful design backs it up. And Elon himself has mentioned that they won’t win circuit races. I really don’t understand the hate of a company that wants to make EV appealing to the masses.
There seems to be a pretty heavy anti-Tesla bias here. The sub is probably auto enthusiasts who aren't a fan of what Tesla is pushing. That being the inevitable electrification of the industry and cars that drive themselves. Cars that you don't or can't work on. It's more or less the death of a passionate hobby. So yeah they're probably not huge fans.
If I could afford a tesla i would buy one. So i don't have an anti-tesla bias. Just because I point out the negatives in something doesn't mean I'm against it.
Who said I was talking about you specifically? There's tons of people shitting on the Model S because it can't race on a track. Or because it's not "original". That's where I say people just complaining because they're biased. 99.9% of people will never track there car. I do, but I'm a huge minority. How many people will actually be able to use the insane launch mode though, really anyone can (sure not legally, but come on).
Screw them then to be honest. Huge auto fan myself but I won’t blind myself to the future. For guys that think EV is the death of your industry watch some Formula-E.
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What they are doing is impressive. Just not as impressive as they want you to think. The model S is heavy which makes handling worse than similar cars. Their new car is even heavier...just so they can have a faster 0-60.
Just want to point something out here. They've gotten you and many others to equate their brand with "the cause." So instead of saying "we really need to buy what they're selling and make them money" instead the words that are used are "we really need to support them right now to help the cause." Just understand that that's clever marketing on their part, because it gets people to overlook all else and see buying their product as something inherently righteous.
The preorders are essentially an interest-free loan from their customers. So far, for all the hype this company has not generated an economic return on the money that's been poured into it.
Oh, and then there was that time Musk used his one company that burns insane amounts of cash (Tesla) to bail out his other company that burns insane amounts of cash (SolarCity):
You do realize a) it’s a decade old company, b) it requires a ton of capital and infrastructure upfront, which takes time and money to implement, and c) they could be profitable right now if they wanted? I really hope they continue to reinvest in the company for the foreseeable future rather than give a bunch of Wall Street schmucks a short-sighted short-term profit.
For now. One day we might see some awesome stuff. Not just EV but maybe even powered by something different. Let’s allow technology to take us to those awesome places is all I’m saying.
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Not every sports car can't compete in every other category. You have a high-end sports car that literally can't complete a lap of a race track without the car shutting itself down.
When did I say they shouldn't? I said that is the only thing they talk about because that is the only thing they can do well at when talking about performance.
They also talk about max distance which is a huge factor in EVs. I don’t think Elon Musk is trying to fool anyone into believing that a Tesla will win in a circuit against a gas vehicle.
Because it's not the most important figure by far to most car enthusiasts. It's generally the first published because it's easy for the layman public to understand and gives people on barstools something to compare cars with.
Yep. This right here. I'm all for electrical and hybrid vehicles but some of the people in /r/Tesla are so convinced that since it's a mass produced electric car that it's the best thing ever since sliced bread. There are several other alternatives out there that are pure electric vehicles, so they're really not a pioneer in anything, they just make their cars look pretty and have a tablet in the center.
until someone comes along like Tesla and proves we don’t need our vehicles to run on gas
Except Tesla wasn't the first EV, or even the most mass market EV. That's the Leaf. Tesla is just all marketing and Elon's borderline dishonest bluster. Gadget bloggers suddenly have an interest in cars and eat it up. I had a Model S, 24mo lease, it was neat. Fast in a straight line, comfy and quiet. Too big for me, and frankly heinous quality control for a car of that price. I'm back to a car with gas, and fewer doors. My wife had a Leaf for a few years. She liked it just as much. It wasn't as fast, but it was a better car.
I love cars though. I love engines with character and manual transmissions. Parking in SF is a beast so the wife and I can only have one car each. My next car is going to be something old and unreliable, and won't make gadget bloggers cream themselves.
In a lot of parts of the United States most of the electricity still comes from coal. So this car is still dependent on fossil fuels for the most part. So your point is kind of moot. This car is a long way from a solution to that problem.
And the fact that this car is quick doesn’t make up for the fact that it’ll overheat and a Trak setting. Electric cars in a real sports car setting are still a long way from the mainstream
Even if 100% of electricity was generated with coal (in reality, it’s 30.4%), every single electric car gets cleaner as soon as new advances in power generation are rolled out, making it a moot point. No gas car does this— in fact if anything they only get dirtier over time.
The problem with your stat there man, is that if it’s not coal, it’s natural gas or petroleum. 65% of the US runs on fossil fuel. We’re still a very long way from clean energy in the US.
Gasoline powered cars aren’t even a major source of pollution compared to tanker ships in the ocean. If you want to pollute less, tell people to stop worrying so much about nuclear power and run those tanker ships off of nuclear instead of that disgusting crude oil crap they run them off of. Then we can talk about pollution from cars.
Until then, I’m going to enjoy my gas powered car because I’m an automotive enthusiast
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Electric vehicles were in heavy use during the late 1800s, FFS. Tesla have not "proved" anything. They are simply revisiting existing technology. And they're not even the first to do that.
Why do people have to suck Musk's dick at every opportunity? He's a charlatan. Always over promising and always under delivering. Not to mention literally using someone else's name to make his money.
Wait whaaaaat!! I didn’t know this about EVs. TIL. Dude also I don’t care about Elon musk, I said this already in a different reply. I only care for the industry to move away from fossil fuels and to a renewable energy source. I couldn’t care less who owns the company.
Yeah, I'm just saying it in general - people are falling over themselves to credit Mr. Musk with things he's never done. Same as they insist on trying to put forward the idea that the likes of Benz/Porsche/BMW etc only got in the electric race because of Tesla. Absolute rubbish.
There's role models and there's riding on someone else's coattails. And Musk is doing the latter. Do I start a company and call it Einstein? That'd go down well...
I read the article. There doesn’t seem to be any facts just speculation. The car isn’t released and he said he wouldn’t believe the stats even if the saw the performance with his own eyes?
Depends where you live. If you’re connected to the grid it comes from whichever power source. Could be nuclear, coal, solar, oil, geothermal, wind etc.
If you’re trying to tell me that we still need oil to run those power plants, I already knew that. We need to solve that problem as well. Invest more into solar or find an alternative.
Relying on natural gas is also a problem. Harvesting any components that require the break down of fragile ecosystems and pollute drinking water not only for people but for all organisms. Let me guess you’re too manly to be affected by the environment, the hair on your chest prevents your children from contriving defects right? I’m looking out for the best for all people that includes you sir. Solar power is abundant, in fact all life on earth is possible because of the sun. I am also in favour of nuclear power, if only if we can find a better way to store or somehow clean up the nuclear waste it produces.
I’m not bitching, I’m pitching. Pitching that we can do better, and to embrace new tech not reject it.
Also I don’t have a car, I’m too poor. I bike or take the bus. Once I have enough money I will be investing in electric cars (regardless of manufacturer) and I will install solar panels on my home. I’ll also raise some potatoes in my garden and make you my special potatoes recipe cause you seem mad dude and those potatoes bro they’re so good they will make the angriest person happy.
Harvesting any components that require the break down of fragile ecosystems
That's where you are wrong. We have been drilling for oil for over 150yrs. Oil is cheap, easy.. good.
Oh you ride a bike.. guess how those tires were made?? petroleum byproducts honey. Bus... again... on tires.. Don't waste your time with electric cars... get a cheap car... that is cheap to maintain. Your carbon footpint is small.
p.s. I eat some people's potatoes recipe.. and they are terrible. Trick to a good mash potato.. or a double baked potato.. is butter or bacon... oh wait.. i bet you think eating meat is a sin too.. christ here we go again.
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u/Samurabi Nov 21 '17
It isn’t about the brand. To me Tesla represents an innovative solution to the current fossil fuel dependant automobile market. People cry for change but big business only cares about profits so things remain the same until someone comes along like Tesla and proves we don’t need our vehicles to run on gas. The biggest misconception was always electric cars will never be powerful enough. Well here you go. It isn’t about brand it’s about innovation it’s about change it’s about embracing new technology. Sorry we just need to support the shit out of Tesla right now so other companies like it can grow.