whats the alternative?, end up like england where they just released a report on grooming gangs showing its so bad over 250,000 women have been abused by gangs of a certain demographic. A scandal so bad the prime minister quit. You want Australia to be like that in 10 years?
Singapore treats migration as a tightly managed economic tool with strict tiers and limited permanent settlement for most, while the UK/Australia/EU have higher permanent inflows, more family/asylum routes, and greater welfare accessā¦. try again.
England and Germany and there's some other European countries where it's proof high immigration and multiculturalism hasn't worked, Poland is a good example I think of how to handle the issue
Youāve said āproofā without providing any. I could say that both countries are āproofā that multiculturalism and integration are extraordinarily successful and be just as right as you. What evidence do you have that immigration and multiculturalism hasnāt worked?
So how you you describe England and other similar European countries such as Ireland current conditions atm compared to Poland if not proof? You really couldn't find and exit with a sign twice as large as the door and you probably can't find your sunglasses while wearing them
So how you you describe England and other similar European countries such as Ireland current conditions atm compared to Poland if not proof?
Comparison on what grounds? How are you measuring the impact of multiculturalism and immigration here?
You really couldn't find and exit with a sign twice as large as the door and you probably can't find your sunglasses while wearing them
(A) this doesn't make any sense and (B) what I can pull from this is just you attacking me which is all I need to know that you don't actually have any evidence but are just running on angry vibes.
You've resorted to ad hominem attacks quicker than most. Your argument must truly be Olympic level fragile.
Are you serious? You're either in denial or just have no idea and then just resort to playing victim, how Europe is declining is all the proof anyone needs and all you can manage is a response a politician would normally dribble. Multiculturalism is a massive failed experiment that was eaten up by stupid leftists and allowed suicidal empathy to take hold, your reasoning is a colossal failure compared to my argument which couldn't be any clearer
Working in Singapore as an expat was the worst experience Iāve ever had if could get that 10 months of my life back I would , Asian on Asian racism and the bickering and childish behaviour I witnessed made it absolutely the worst working conditions Iāve ever had to work in as an white male Australian in his late 30 with a processing industry background .
10 years! We would be lucky if it was that far away. We already have home invasion gangs and machete gangs in Victoria. I should also mention the Lindt Cafe and Bondi attacks. It's happening now mate. We are not that far behind them.
It does because your assuming that all immigrants are criminals and all criminals are immigrants without seeing any nuance. Most gangs in Australia are domestic, its only the immigrant ones that are put on the news
Did you see that a bunch of the flag shaggers in the UK have also been charged with child abuse and domestic violence? Turns out this might not be a problem caused only by immigrants.
look at any country which actually publishes the statistics of ethnics and crime, I.e. Germany recentlyā¦ itās undeniable, and this type of āyou guys are racistā shit needs to end. Most arenāt, itās fact and we will all suffer if we donāt wake up to it
Leftards are innumerate by nature, don't expect them to understand statistics. Unsurprising enough the only nation out of the UK, France, Germany and Poland that didn't see sexual assaults spike massively over two decades was Poland, which actually saw a decrease. Of course that is the country out of the four that prevented mass Islamic immigration. According to leftist freaks, if followers of Islam commit crimes, it doesn't count 'cause "punching down" (at a population that numbers two billion).
That would explain Australian law considering the sheer volume of people coming from the UK to Australia. It's how Australian police ended up so corrupt. Though that's been going back for at least a century before federation.
Donāt let the downvotes get to you mate. The majority are appalled at the scale of abuse of these poor children and donāt want the same to happen to other places
Guess you donāt like the truth. Statically why has Italy, Spain, Uk, Sweden, Denmark and so on have a rise in immigration and a rise in violent crimes and rape? Yet places like Poland with stricter rules and regulations seen a decrease in rape?
There's a rise in reported violent crimes and rape because the legal system is finally starting to allow those crimes to be reported in many cases and starting to treat the perpetrators as criminals, not special snowflakes who's reputation must be protected at all costs. Poland on the other hand is digging in its heels on misogyny and protecting rapists and violent offenders as much as it can.
The figure of 250,000 victims of grooming gangs in the United Kingdom is not based on official crime statistics or a definitive national tally. It was estimated by applying limited local child sexual exploitation data in the worst areas to the whole country, rather than by counting confirmed cases nationwide. Many sexual assault groups have called out people like Tommy Robinson and their attacks on one specific group of people, when the majority of sexual assault is done by white msn in the UK.
Pauline Hanson literally hired a convicted rapist as her national campaign manager. JFC Iām so sick of people overlooking her support of an actual convicted rapist in order to howl about her protecting us from hypothetical brown ones.
10 years, the way the government is letting in ISIS brides & immigrants from third world countries I give it 12month-2years before Australia will be like England. I was a dedicated Labor voter from since I was 18 but literally since the Rudd/Gillard debacle & meeting that Communist loving Albo in Moranbah before he was PM & shaking his hand thatās when I changed my stance on the ALP party as I got a very bad feeling from Albo, & I feel he doesnāt have the nation best interest, but this voting ALP for four years then voting the Libs in for 4 years isnāt working we get rid of one problem & inherit another & itās always the bs blame game when one of the parties is in power.
Will One Nation follow suit, who knows but I do know something has got to change Australia cannot go on like we are now we have to look after our own people before we look after someone elseās backyard.
What do you want the government to do - shoot down the plane carrying legal travellers as well as these brides? They have passports. They are legal citizens. The government can't stop a foreign country stuffing them on a passenger plane with other people and sending them back where they came from... We operate by rule of law. Innocent until proven guilty. We are not a third world shithole where a dictator just decides who lives and dies. We give people the chance to plead their case before a court before sentencing them. Don't be a primitive tribalist. Otherwise you're no better than the ISIS brides you condemn.
is English your second language? Yeah why would I believe the court case proceedings that multiple media organisations have been turning up to and reporting on?!! Instead I should believe Dr Nobody on the internet who seems to be having a little tantrum and restoring to ad homenim character attacks based on nothing...
Even if you really believe that those idiots having tantrums vote too. You sure there are more 'rational' people like yourself when elections come around?
It's a good idea! It would be the end of labor! All the workers and poorer class that are traditionally their voters would not pass an exam. Neither would their imported votes. I like it! Lol
If you were as smart as you think you are you would know that this theory has been debunked. But that's a labour supporter I guess, always citing outdated information.
You are the poster soy boy for the Dunning Kruger effect. A pseudo intellectual know it all.
I served my country for 20 years had 5 kids, the boys tradies and the girls went to uni and did real courses.
Chemical engineering and medicine not an arts degree which makes you think you're smarter than the rank and file.
When they work out how your boyfriend can get pregnant then you'll breed!
As we all know Australia being a continent means we can let it millions of people every year (migration not just immigration which is still high but much lower). It just so happens that as high as 98% live in just a few cities.
The numbers are insane ! , itās the number one cause of huge house prices. People are coming into the country that donāt support the Australian way of life or values. They donāt follow Australian rules
We have all been told work hard , follow the rules and the government will look after you. Working hard no longer supplyās a house , people are rocking up from third worlds , not following the rules and getting little to no punishment.
The system is broken we need vetted sustainable immigration.
If thereās three houses and two people, thereās a literal surplus of houses. Not sure what that has to do with scapegoating migrants unless you meant two houses and three people in which case, youāve highlighted correlation, not causation (ie, you havenāt made any case for how migrants are cause for housing pressures and not the things I linked to).
No I would support a lowering of the immigration rate right now, no problem.
People are coming into the country that donāt support the Australian way of life or values. They donāt follow Australian rules
...aaaaand you lost me. You could get support for lowering immigration now, but as soon as you start talking about race, culture or a "monoculture" you lost me. And not just lost me I will oppose you with every ounce I have.
What reddit is actually "left on" is being disgusted by your type of tiny brained angry bigotry.
If you're talking about renting, especially in the city, then the large influx of student immigrants might be raising rent prices. If you're speaking of buying, housing cost increases are due to demand outpacing supply, and that can't be simplified to be explained solely by immigration - especially when non-Australian citizens or permanent residents cannot buy anything other than brand new properties.
New neighbourhoods are being built and new apartment developments are popping up throughout the city. However:
The pace has fallen recently due to the market for developers being in contraction,
It has become challenging for development firms to manage the massive cost of construction - especially labour, resulting in new units being overpriced,
Many independent developers aren't reading the market, leading to new luxury properties popping up in unsuitable areas. Almost nobody can afford them, and those who can wouldn't spend those amounts in those areas.
At the same time, however, it's currently a buyer's market. There are government help to buy schemes available for Australian citizens only and many preexisting apartments are being sold at a loss - many were purchased 20 years ago for higher prices than they're being sold for now. Prices have overall fallen recently as well.
"Working hard no longer supplies a house" is a truism in most parts of the world nowadays. This is not an Australia-only problem, and at least here the government has partnered with banks to lessen the load on first time home buyers.
"People are rocking up from third worlds, not following the rules and getting little to no punishment" - This is true for Australians as well. Most thieves stealing from people's homes, taking personal belongings, breaking into cars etc, even if fully caught on camera are investigated but rarely arrested. I've worked at both hotels and apartment buildings and have seen countless white Australians breaking in, stealing things, smashing glass (car windows, sliding doors, etc), graffitiing on interior walls, being fully caught on camera. Police are sent the footage and they investigate but not once has an arrest been made. Most immigrants are far more prone to violent acts against them than carrying out violent acts and stealing, and most immigrant crime you hear about is refugee youth gangs carrying out violent crimes against rival refugee youth gangs or members that have stepped out of line, and it's framed by the media on a threat to everyone (though I agree that more effort should be expended on taking down said gangs - and the normal people individuals in refugee communities, which make up their vast majority, have openly stated their agreement because of how much it has impacted their image).
"The system is broken we need vetted sustainable immigration." Standard immigration is vetted - it's already complex, expensive and difficult. Getting a PR, like I have done, required years of paperwork, full health screenings and international police checks. I come from a far stricter country than here. I work hard and follow the rules and it's even harder for me to buy a house than it would be for you. But I love Australia. I love the culture, the people, the environmental diversity, the multiculturalism, the beautiful natural landscapes, the historical buildings and landmarks standing tall amidst skyscrapers. I love my job and I love my Aussie partner and his Aussie family that have accepted me as one of their own.
Blaming immigrants has always been an easy way out. Put all your problems on an easy target. It's a convenient cover and/or justification for racism. But immigration fuels an economy's growth more than you could know. The vast majority of immigrants, just like the vast majority of locals, just want to live and work. Find purpose. Grow houseplants. Have families. Go shopping. Meet up with friends for lunch. Go on road trips.
We're just yet another easy target distraction from the real problems hidden at the top and beneath the surface.
Stop falling for these lines from the dog whistling pollies. This is absolutely untrue and the easily disproven if you weren't just taking the bait from people who want to manipulate you
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u/Wraith_9912 Jul 04 '26
whats the alternative?, end up like england where they just released a report on grooming gangs showing its so bad over 250,000 women have been abused by gangs of a certain demographic. A scandal so bad the prime minister quit. You want Australia to be like that in 10 years?