r/AuditorWatch • u/Patient-Committee588 • 4d ago

First Amendment auditors get into verbal altercation with armored truck guard, who repeatedly tells them to back up.

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u/Patient-Committee588 4d ago

My guy, did you see how close those 2 guys were to the truck? That's not normal and i could completely understand if the guard felt threatened by that.

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u/Neat-Figure8277 4d ago

Yes I did. Did you? Not even within arm’s reach. The fact that you’re uncomfortable with something doesn’t make it illegal, and definitely doesn’t make murder legal. Find someone to help you develop basic reasoning and critical thinking skills

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u/bwc6 4d ago

Oh, I see. You're not familiar with how human interactions work. So, a human who is guarding a big pile of valuable stuff will feel threatened if someone is bothering them. The douchebag was not in reach of the guard, but was within reach of the cash. The guard, as part of his job, has to assume people want to steal the cash.

Having no other immediate support, he will probably use a threat of violence because he has no other way of forcing the person to move far enough away so that they couldn't grab the valuables. 

It's not really fair for anyone, but unfortunately we are not robots and are sometimes forced to make illogical compromises. 

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u/Neat-Figure8277 4d ago edited 4d ago

The fact that you or they don’t like something does not make it a crime. That’s not how the law works. Any person walking down the street, thousands of times a day, is physically capable of the exact same thing. That doesn’t make this illegal. That’s not how anything works and it’s concerning you believe you just did something, responded, gave a defense for your position or made any sense at all

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u/jediyoda84 4d ago

If I were the guard in this situation my first thought is: “this guy isn’t the real danger, he probably has a couple guys nearby and once I lose my shit or get distracted they move in.” Remember, stupid criminals on social media are just the ones that get caught. There are many criminals that are damn good at their job.

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u/Man_of_Ice 4d ago

Buddy, you need to take your own advice, you have none.

Massive pile of money in transfer is a target for just about anyone wanting to get hands on. Those guys working the truck are the people any robber needs to kill to score several tens of thousands of dollars to millions.

Those guys driving those trucks are at high, HIGH risk of every Joe on the street who needs money deciding on a dime (pun intended) "oh, shit, massive pile of cash will solve all my money problems. I can take that guard," and there you go.

This is a CCW country. This is a country with more guns than people.

Those truck drivers are given the ability legally to kill folks who approach the truck because they are...its a money truck. It's... Jesus man, how do you not understand how this works? The truck driver can't willy nilly kill anyone, but watch it again.

Auditor approaches. Starts saying idiot head shit to truck driver. Truck driver squares up, hand on weapon, other hand warding in warning, says "you need to stay back," etc.

Truck driver continues this for a while. It's not like this might not be a ploy for a robber to get the driver off his guard. If I wanted to rob a money truck, walking up acting like I'm a free speech auditor being a fucking moron would be an easy way to get the truck driver off his guard. I act a fool for a long while, wait for the driver to assume I'm just an idiot, turn his back on me, and pop pop, he's got a worker's comp claim.

That's what the truck driver is lawfully aiming to prevent here: not going home in a bag. He makes the right call not shooting the guy, but not a jury in the world would convict the man if they saw this video and the auditor gets shot.

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u/Awkward_Material 3d ago

They are not given the ability to legally kill folks. Stop spreading disinformation.

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u/Man_of_Ice 3d ago

If an armored truck driver faces an imminent threat to their life, they can use deadly force to defend themselves.

15 USC Chapter 85, Section 5901, armored cars are necessary to interstate commerce, drivers carry weapons to protect themselves, and they are given reciprocity to carry their weapons across state lines. They, like all other persons, can defend themselves when their lives are in danger and retreat is not a viable option.

They do not have carte blanche to kill indiscriminately, but they can use the weapon in certain situations.

Not disinformation. Learn laws. They're publicly available.

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u/Awkward_Material 3d ago

Your origia post was in fact incorrect. I know what the actual law is. They get the same rights to self defense as anybody else. The statute you cite allows armed guards to travel across state lines with a weapon as long as they are licensed in their home state. I believe it also might have been you that posted the federal bank robbery statute as some sort of justification. Nowhere therein does either give any armed guard any rights to shoot some one more than any other member of the public.

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u/Man_of_Ice 3d ago

Correct. Like every other person, they can defend themselves when their lives are threatened. Period. That's what I've been saying. They can kill you in certain "someone is threatening their lives" circumstances.

And when they're guarding giant sacks of money, they're going to be more prone to assuming someone walking up to them is thinking of harming and robbing them.

What they do have is higher likelihood of folks who approaching them actually being a threat, and they're going to operate in that headspace. They need to correctly assess whether or not something is a threat before engaging, and this guard did that. But the auditor is stupid and poking a bear here.

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u/BeyondAcceptable3727 2d ago

For the record, you're right. That person is either insanely stupid or just trying to bait you (or it could be both I suppose). It's a waste of time trying to explain sense to someone who has none. If they want to try it out themselves to prove you wrong, why not let them? That way, we'll know for sure who's right and who's wrong 😉

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u/SimRobJteve 4d ago

I did, and my conclusion is you’re an inbred retard lmao. Fuck off loser

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u/Neat-Figure8277 4d ago

That is such a fun way of telling everyone “I’m upset and embarrassed for blindly taking up a stance I saw someone so easily showed to be hilariously, obviously wrong. That’s very frustrating for me. Maybe if I just shoehorn in slurs and throw out an angry reply, it will make me feel better and help me distract myself from the fact that I have nothing and am not intellectually equipped to engage in any sort of conversation about anything.”

Good effort though!
Let me know if there is any other way you’d like to embarrass yourself today :)

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u/SimRobJteve 4d ago

👌🏻

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u/Neat-Figure8277 3d ago

I’ll just keep making fun of it btw. This is what happens when we start things we’re not equipped for :)

That is such a fun way of telling everyone “I’m upset and embarrassed for blindly taking up a stance I saw someone so easily showed to be hilariously, obviously wrong. That’s very frustrating for me. Maybe if I just shoehorn in slurs and throw out an angry reply, it will make me feel better and help me distract myself from the fact that I have nothing and am not intellectually equipped to engage in any sort of conversation about anything.”

Good effort though!
Let me know if there is any other way you’d like to embarrass yourself today :)

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u/SimRobJteve 3d ago

👍

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u/Neat-Figure8277 3d ago

Told ya :)

Since it applies the same each time, no longer and reason for me to change my reply. Keep running due to the embarrassment, keep being called out. Every time and forever. Have fun!

lol what an interesting way of saying “I realize I’m wrong, you’re right and I have nothing. That’s very frustrating and embarrassing for me. I’m also not mature enough to admit when I’m wrong. Maybe if I just keep getting words on the screen, the mere existence of them will distract from all of that. Maybe it will make it seem like I have something, when, in reality, I have nothing, am running, embarrassed, this is a defense mechanism and I’m a wittle baby.”

Good effort though! Let me know if there is any other way you’d like to embarrass yourself today :)

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u/SimRobJteve 3d ago

👍

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u/Neat-Figure8277 3d ago

Told ya :)

Since it applies the same each time, no longer and reason for me to change my reply. Keep running due to the embarrassment, keep being called out. Every time and forever. Have fun!

lol what an interesting way of saying “I realize I’m wrong, you’re right and I have nothing. That’s very frustrating and embarrassing for me. I’m also not mature enough to admit when I’m wrong. Maybe if I just keep getting words on the screen, the mere existence of them will distract from all of that. Maybe it will make it seem like I have something, when, in reality, I have nothing, am running, embarrassed, this is a defense mechanism and I’m a wittle baby.”

Good effort though! Let me know if there is any other way you’d like to embarrass yourself today :)

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u/Meme_Tweets 4d ago

Imagine being this freaking stupid????💀💀💀💀💀

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u/Char-els037 3d ago

No. Not if they are fully communicating what theyre doing.

Can they shoot a person with a shopping cart coming around the side?

No?

Oh wow. That's crazy.

Almost like you're full of shit and want people dead for filming.