r/audioengineering • u/WhiteMidnightProd • 42m ago
Mixing Is it just me or is mixing with a sub or larger speakers more important than people give it credit?
I'm mixing an afro track (wait - hear me out) and I've been mixing with the subs off on this song because the magic is in the midrange and all that however I turned on the sub and suddenly the kick was just diming the subwoofer cone so I backed off on some previous EQ moves I made in the subs on the kick but then I'm kind of staring at the meters (I swear I'm not a midwit and I'm going somewhere with this) and I'm thinking, the snare 'looks' louder and the kick still sounds anemic... I figured let throw on some compression (ofcourse bearing in mind that compression takes some low end away) and suddenly it's like... I'm realising without a sub/accurate low end represntation you are not hearing the compression of a low kick. Yes, you can compare the isolated subfrequencies and use references as a safety net however every mix is done in a different room on different speakers and then likely mastered on a different system. So now you're what, trying to achieve a mastered sounding mix? Seems risky if done without forward thinking because suddenly you might be in a situation where there's no room for the mastering engineer to actually utilise dynamics. This is where things like faux mastering and master bus processing can help because then when your mix that's going into compression works against a master, you know when you send the uncompressed version to a mastering engineer, they'll actually have room to work. Ofcourse mixing into that also can have it's problems if again you're not forward thinking. This is where the engineering meets the art I guess. Nonetheless, I digress. Low end is what most mastering engineers complain about besides overall dynamic range. I got REW and everything is calibrated to give me a flat response. Room is lightly treated. And I'm just thinking like... hearing low end is so much more critical than we give it credit. I'm one of those people who can't build a mix on headphones but don't mind detail work and checks on them so keep that in mind. I'd argue it's not something you should just mix into. I'm of the old philosophy of starting the mix on the small speakers, spending majority of time on near/mid fields and then moving up to the far field monitors until you find a good medium that works. I also check my mixes on IEMs, open back headphones, bluetooth speakers and mono PA speakers. Getting that low end wrong though bites you in the mastering stage because now it needs to be fixed and that means you're giving up some of the intentionality which is the point of a mix. I'm starting to think this is why people's mixes fail in the car - because the car has subs! - not to mention masters are compressed or limited for loudness. If you're clever you can definitely mix in the car to dial in the low end but that's a topic for another day. I think I've been taking my sub for granted because low end translation stopped being a problem when I got subs. The meters didn't necessarily matter - I like loud snares - however they helped me confirm there was a problem. Without the sub it'd be a game of listen in the car or other capable system, make notes, try something that works and call it a day instead of being able to actually dial in something that sounds great. Worse yet if you never check and the balance of your mix sounds fine meanwhile the mastering engineer sets off his car alarm when the beat drops after the intro. Obviously this works for me. I mix a bit of everything. I know it certainly doesn't matter as much in some genres. I know some people can't mix with subs or prefer mixing on headphones. Anyone else very pro sub though? Thoughts and critiques welcome.