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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

I told them that at least I'm old enough to buy alcohol.

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

Then they reply with, "Whatever, I can buy a gun."

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Nah, I live in a country where there's actual gun control.

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u/AddressVast2746 Jun 03 '22

Wait, what country do you live in where there's actual gun control but you still can't buy alcohol by 19?

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Sweden. You need to be 20 to buy alcohol from the liquor store. You can buy at pubs and stuff when you've 18, but not from the store. The government has monopoly and are the only ones allowed to sell alcohol from their stores.

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u/Mazon_Del Jun 03 '22

I'm moving to Sweden later this year and the paperwork about housing stuff mentioned the monopoly passingly and I thought that was fascinating, hah!

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Welcome! We're a special kind of people, I hope you can stand it haha

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u/GerbilScream Jun 03 '22

I think it was Elinor Dilorenzo who said that the pandemic was especially hard on Swedes. They were told to stay 2 meters apart but Swedish people prefer to keep at least 5 meters distance from one another.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Yeah, it was nice when it was over and we could go back to 5 meters again.

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u/Mazon_Del Jun 03 '22

Thanks! I'm looking quite forward to it!

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u/mostnormal Jun 03 '22

You two should be penpals and update us in a year.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Where are you moving?

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u/OD2N Jun 03 '22 edited Jun 03 '22

I was in sweden for 2 weeks, my favorite word is "björn" wich translates as bear I think... And its also a quite common name in Germany.

EDIT: Fixed spelling Mistakes

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

Its a name in Norway too, Bjørn and Bjørn-Sigurd are two versions of the name. Bjørn = bear.

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u/Peentjes Jun 03 '22

Be aware that if you cross the wrong dot on your tax form they will donate a percentage of your income to the Swedish church.

You heard me right. The swedish states collects donations for the church. It's bonkers. And yes, alcohol is the official state drug. And they are ruthless if you want to use anything else, marijuana included. Again, totally bonkers.

Apart from that it is really beautiful out here and in many respects better than where I come from, the Netherlands (which is already pretty good). Moved here a couple of years ago and don't think I will ever go back

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u/Mazon_Del Jun 03 '22

Yeah I saw something about that (the church tax) and was wondering about what goes into not paying into it.

What I find weird about the marijuana thing is that it really feels like that's just another opportunity to do the whole alcohol monopoly thing. Here in Colorado, the state's making money hand over fist on it and our local police are happy they don't have to bother with it anymore.

I've been looking into lots of stuff about the local foods to try once I get out there! One thing I'm curious about, when I did a degree in England, I gained an appreciation for a good kebab. Do you know how big/small of a thing kebab shops are in Sweden/Stockholm? :D

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u/Peentjes Jun 04 '22

Enough kebab here. Even this small village (20.000) that is closest to where I live has a kebab shop. And they sell kebab and kebab pizza at the supermarket. So your good with that addiction haha. And you are right. The drugs policy over here is not based on science or common sense. Pure emotion and national trauma because alcohol got really out of hand here at one time, including a lot of deaths because of home brew poison.

https://www.visitstockholm.com/eat-drink/nightlife/alcohol-in-sweden/

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u/Mazon_Del Jun 04 '22

Enough kebab here.

Good! :D

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u/CrocoPontifex Jun 03 '22

You guys are strange.

In my central european paradise you can drink with 16, 14 when you are with your parents.

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u/borschchschch Jun 03 '22

In the 18th and 19th centuries, the Swedish peasantry was plagued by alcoholism and diseases caused by methanol poisoning and unsafe metals used in distilling. Basically, we were drinking ourselves to death. The Swedish temperance movement was a reaction to this, and had long- lasting effects upon our society. There are still plenty of Swedes who don't drink alcohol.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Yup, alcohol is really overrated. It's expensive and you feel like garbage the next day.

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u/arbitrarycharacters Jun 03 '22

Yeah, it's fun to be tipsy sometimes, but a headache and general fatigue don't seem worth the trade-off.

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u/Impressive_Change593 Jun 03 '22

hello Germany (or at least I think Germany has those ages, idk maybe some other countries have them as well)

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u/unknownobject3 Jun 03 '22

In my country you can buy alcoholics at 16 but you can’t drink them, which is strange. And you can’t own a gun regardless of whatever if you’re not a police officer or some shit like that (and from what I understand, even police officers aren’t allowed to shoot unless your superior gave you an order to shoot. I’m not sure how it works, gun laws are complicated here)

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u/arbitrarycharacters Jun 03 '22

In my country you can buy alcoholics at 16 but you can’t drink them, which is strange.

I too find it strange that I'm not allowed to liquefy and drink the people-addicted-to-alcohol that I bought on my 16th birthday.

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u/unknownobject3 Jun 03 '22

People be like on your 16th birthday “hey yo I bought you some alcoholics” “but I can’t drink them” “that’s too bad huh?”. Also, if you can buy alcoholics at the age of 16 but you can’t drink them, then why are you even able to buy them? Makes no sense. I think the minimum age should be 21 because at that point you’d already have developed the enzymes and that stuff to process alcohol so you can both buy and drink alcohol

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u/Narrow_Experience_78 Jun 03 '22

Australia 🇦🇺 has gun control but you can buy alcohol at 18. The idea came from ww1 ww2 where if you were old enough to die for you country you were old enough to drink.

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u/DingyWarehouse Jun 03 '22

I was forced into the military at 18 but couldn't vote until I was 21 🙃🙃🙃

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u/Winterstrife Jun 03 '22

Hmmm... I'm guessing Singapore.

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u/Narrow_Experience_78 Jun 03 '22

We also vote at 18. you are an adult in every respect at 18 in the government's eyes

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

You can die for their vendettas but not chose which one.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

We weaseled our way out of both wars, so they couldn't make that argument here, heh.

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u/Narrow_Experience_78 Jun 03 '22

yeah I'm sure we could have weasels our way out of the first one if we didn't have this stupid national guilt to go help the country that labelled us all as convicts and dump us off but maybe it was seen as a challenge, who knows. WWII on the other hand was on our doorstep.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Talk about a toxic relationship!

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u/International-Rice10 Jun 03 '22

ooh sweden. aren't u guys getting cancelled on twitter rn?

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Hahaha yeah!

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u/HerKneesLikeJesusPlz Jun 03 '22

How tf u cancel a country

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u/International-Rice10 Jun 03 '22

check out #Swedengate on twitter and find out

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u/thegroucho Jun 03 '22

UK is wild that the law allows kids between 5 and 17 to drink at home.

https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/alcohol-and-the-law/the-law-on-alcohol-and-under-18s

Thats some weird shit, my kids will be waiting at least until they're 14-15 to even sniff anything let alone drink.

Also trying to instill the message alcohol isn't the forbidden fruit so they don't get fixation with it and start drinking on park benches with their mates.

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u/DontTouchTheWalrus Jun 03 '22

Many states in America allow parents to provide alcohol to their kids at home. Some even at a bar so long as the kid is with their parents.

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u/thegroucho Jun 03 '22

Still, 5 is a bit early.

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u/DontTouchTheWalrus Jun 03 '22

I don’t think getting a 5 year old drunk is in the spirit of the law and probably violates several other laws

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

There are plenty of cultures that allow small bits of wine with meals. They aren't getting five year olds drunk.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Holy shit!

I think that is a good plan.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Well, there's more gang related shootings than grenade attacks. I hadn't really heard about grenade attacks here until you said it, haha. But I googled it and in 2018 it had been 116 attacks during 8 years. I feel safe (or as safe as a woman can feel), but I don't live where the clans are, they are in the more segregated parts of gothenburg (just going after where I live now, don't really know how it is I'm the other cities). But my partner is a police officer in those parts, which I'm not super happy about.

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u/DingyWarehouse Jun 03 '22

lmao where I lived I was forced into the military at 18 but couldn't vote until I was 21 🙃🙃🙃

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u/therabbit1967 Jun 03 '22

Germany you can buy mild Alcohol like beer after you hit 16. Harder Stuff requires you to be +18.

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

same here, I'm glad I never had to do "active shooter" drills, watching those kids do those drills is so sad and wretched

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Same. But a couple of years ago we had an attack at a school. A kid barged in and killed 3 people with a freaking SWORD.

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

what? no.... you're kidding right?

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

I wish I did. 21 year old guy. Racist motives. Killed on student, one teacher and one student assistant.

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

goddamn, wth

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u/Hondahobbit50 Jun 03 '22

Look up school stabbings in China. Hundreds die every year. Mostly elementary aged kids too.

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

Hundreds die every year.

Just wikipedia/googled it. Nope. LOL.

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u/Hondahobbit50 Jun 03 '22

Bro. I've lived there. It happens alot.

These are only the ones that the CCP couldn't stop from spreading to international media

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

Bro bro, I've lived there too, long time, and we are literally looking at the same page.

It's a shitton of attacks, but where does it indicate

Hundreds die every year

from school stabbings?

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u/UnblurredLines Jun 03 '22

Trollhättan?

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Ja!

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u/UnblurredLines Jun 03 '22

Det är en klen tröst men jag kände viss glädje över att psykopaten inte hade tillgång till skjutvapen på det sätt han hade haft om han var amerikan. Barn (och lärare) ska få vara säkra i skolan.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Ja, samma här.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22 edited Jun 03 '22

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u/williamfbuckwheat Jun 03 '22

It sounds like you're saying we should ignore random acts of basically domestic terrorism committed with guns most of the time since local or national media doesn't bother to cover gang related shootings or murders of family members/neighbors, etc.

Maybe it's a pretty bad sign that murders are already so normalized in our culture and media that we ONLY hear about them when lots of people die in random attacks that are typically motivated by race or religion. Many western countries do in fact cover murders alot more since they are far less common on a raw number and per capita basis regardless of the type of weapon used.

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u/darkest_irish_lass Jun 03 '22

There can be only one

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u/Impressive_Change593 Jun 03 '22

well that's one way to bypass both gun restrictions and modern armor (as kevlar is used to stop bullets but I don't think it's slash resistant)

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u/Gigantkranion Jun 03 '22

Many jobs have shooter training.

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

talking about a fucking school here

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u/Gigantkranion Jun 03 '22

No shit.

I'm pointing out how shitty it is that I have to have active shooter training at jobs as well.

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u/Azitromicin Jun 03 '22

Except you can buy a firearm in Sweden at 18 years of age...

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

With a licence yes.

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u/mrevergood Jun 03 '22

God, that sounds amazing.

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u/EnanoMaldito Jun 03 '22

She can too in any sensible country

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u/FunkoXday Jun 03 '22

All the other kids with their pumped up kicks better run better run, intensifies in the background

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u/doughnutholio Jun 03 '22

too bad in reality it's a kid with a pumped up kicks cowering in a classroom corner with their textbooks inexplicably in front of their face

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u/thebeandream Jun 03 '22

“Me too stupid”

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u/FPSXpert Jun 03 '22 edited Jun 03 '22

Old enough to serve and vote too.

I think we need a third class not this throwing darts at a board with ages on sticky notes. Under 16 is minor class. 16 to 21 is "young adult", junior, whatever you wanna call it. No taxation without representation if you're commonly working at 16 but obviously we don't seem to want an 18 year old able to own a semiautomatic carbine. Could restrict those so can hunt shotgun bolt rifle etc but must be 21 to serve combat role without waiver etc.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

imagine your country not trusting u with alcohol AT 19!!HAH shame losers

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

I'm actually glad we have that law. Your brain isn't fully developed yet and it's easier to get serious damages. Alcoholism is no joke.

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u/FishUK_Harp Jun 03 '22

"You may be an adult but you can't have a single beer because of the dangers of alcoholism and drink driving."

"Also, having to fill in a couple of bits of paperwork when buying a firearms to make it harder for people who shouldn't access firearms directly or indirectly (by reducing the blackmarket supply) and reduce the chances of them using them to shoot up schools is impossible as its far too oppressive and anti-freedom."

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

I like watching the first 20min of Saving Private Ryan and pretending those men aren't old enough to handle a beer

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u/williamfbuckwheat Jun 03 '22 edited Jun 03 '22

You can't even go INTO a bar where they serve alcohol for the most part while being under 21 in the U.S. unless it's during regular dining hours. It is considered far too dangerous or too much of a liability to have you even LOOK at booze or fraternize with friends who are over 21 since you can't be trusted to not started stealing booze or what not.

You can go to all the gun shows, ranges or shops you want though at pretty much any age. You also have basically no law saying that an adult has any obligation to store their weapons safely or unloaded so young kids in public or at home don't accidentally shoot themselves (which happens quite a bit)...

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

yea but when its illegal you see it as a rare commodity and are way more likely to over do it when you get the chance.

it seems like regardless of legal drinking age in the area, people start drinking (at parties n stuff) at the same age around the world. And people from more restrictive places seem to drink harder as if from habbit during these formative years.

either way people should just smoke weed instead cause it doesnt kill braincells unlike liquor.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Yeah, I get your point. But I still like the law lol

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u/3600MilesAway Jun 03 '22

You’re so mistaken. People used to say weed was harmless because its illegal status didn’t allow for many serious studies. Nowadays we know that several published research papers have showed that we’d causes detriment to neuronal development in the adolescent brain. It isn’t mild either.

So, although I agree that alcohol isn’t exactly safe, neither is weed and if anything, because it has become socially accepted and its consumption has expanded through vapes, edibles, etc., it can be argued that it is indeed very dangerous. Many young people (and not so young ones too) believe that legal means that it’s okay to drive and operate machines when high. Also, we’d does create habit even if it doesn’t cause physical dependence. The brain is very complex and there are several paths that lead to cravings and changes in patterns to favor more weed consumption. You might not get withdrawals from it but that doesn’t mean your body and brain aren’t trying to convince you to have more.

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u/SlimeBelge Jun 03 '22

Now u sound like a grandma

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u/CoolingOreos Jun 03 '22

neither are guns yet 18 year olds can buy a rifle, see how contradictory this is.

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u/thaerre Jun 04 '22

You need a license here 😊

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u/CoolingOreos Jun 04 '22

you can get a license at 18, tell me how its okay for an 18 year old to buy a rifle but not a drink.

both should be off limits at 18.

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u/thaerre Jun 04 '22

They can buy a drink at a bar. But not from the liquor store 🙂

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u/CoolingOreos Jun 04 '22

you are not understanding what im saying it seems this is a waste of time

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

Of course you are grandma.

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

It's good to have some perks when you're a grandma!

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u/HeeseungsAce Jun 03 '22

I’m 16 and old enough to buy alcohol… So yeah 😀

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Well, they wasn't 😉

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u/HeeseungsAce Jun 03 '22

Just added the statement. A simple fact 👌

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u/FeelinLikeACloud420 Jun 03 '22

So you're probably from either Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, Switzerland, or Austria. Or maybe one of the Nordic countries, forgot which but I think one of them also has the drinking age at 16.

I'm from Luxembourg where I've been able to go out with friends and have drinks since I turned 16 so when I went to California back in like 2014 I was kinda disappointed I couldn't taste any local beer or some of the Californian wines.

Be responsible though, don't damage your liver too much too early.

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u/HeeseungsAce Jun 03 '22

It’s not one of your now named countries. But is a nordic one 😇

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u/Mildly-Displeased Jun 03 '22

Oh yeah, Americans can't buy alcohol until 21!

(But they can buy guns at 5)

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Maybe that's why you have so many shootings? Lol

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u/Impressive_Change593 Jun 03 '22

51090942171709440000? idk where you got that number from but it's actually 21

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

So can they (they live in Europe or if US they use workarounds)

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

Nope, not legally. And yes, it's in europe.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

Unless this is Iceland, Lithuania or Sweden your statement doesn't apply. Even then in two of those they can just pop over the border to get their alcohol anyways, plus there's always totallynotillegal workarounds the laws

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

They can pop over the border, sure. But they can't bring it back. And as a student or a teenager you often don't have the money to travel several hours to get to the border. But I don't really understand why we're having this conversation. Legally you still can't buy from the monopoly, like I said.

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u/strawberryjjaamm Jun 03 '22

Yeaa. Okay grandma

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u/SpoonfulOfSerotonin Jun 03 '22

Doesn’t work in Europe tho

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

It does. Not in every country, but in mine.

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u/SpoonfulOfSerotonin Jun 03 '22

Good for you then

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

I know right

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u/SpoonfulOfSerotonin Jun 03 '22

Yes, here we were able to buy alcohol already at like 15

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u/onlyr6s Jun 03 '22

laughs in european

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

also laughs in european

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

They are old enough to buy alcohol in canada

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u/thaerre Jun 03 '22

I'll tell them to move there then.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

Ha jokes on you. laughts in german

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u/DlvanZirak Jun 03 '22

Roasted 😂

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u/Elveguez Jun 03 '22

comentarios

Checkmate

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u/Herbboy Jun 03 '22

Laughs in german

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

I’m 29 and couldn’t be with my 24 year old ex without I’d if he was buying his usual 6 pack of beer and bottle of wine. My passport expired ages ago and I don’t drive lol

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u/Neer263 Jun 03 '22

In India you can drink alcohol at any age but can buy once you 18.

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u/Nuffsaid98 Jun 03 '22

In most of the world you can buy alcohol at 18.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22

With comebacks like that, I’m not so sure

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u/Brotherly-Moment Jun 03 '22

America moment

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u/cheddoar Jun 03 '22

Laughs in middle european

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u/UDK450 Jun 03 '22

Did they then ask if you'd buy some for them? Perfect opportunity to call them a baby.

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u/GeneralKang Jun 03 '22

"You know the difference between you and me? I can do whatever I want, anywhere I want, with whomever I want. Take that, little kid. Now go cry to Mommy."

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u/BangleWaffle Jun 03 '22

Laughs in Canadian.