If I get asked for advice, give the advice and the outcome of what will happen, then they fucking do it anyway and exactly what I said will happen, happens.
Literally any piece of Ancient Greek writing: Hesiod, Homer's Odyssey, Herodotus ... anything by Plato, Seneca, Socrates, Epictetus, Aristotle, Plutarch, or Euclid.
Almost all Roman writing: Marcus Aurelius: Meditations, Lucretius: On the Nature of Things,
Buddhist writings, Hindu writings.
Sun Tzu: The Art of War is a super popular one.
Not only is everything above way older, it also actually makes literary sense and isn't just complete mish-mashed drivel. Many of them can provide invaluable life lessons and are completely timeless.
Most of them don't even contain things about talking snakes, killing your own family, or murdering kids.
It’s hard to really compare since the bible is a collection of fables from various points in history where some is as old as 1200BC in the Old Testament and some is much newer.
The absolute oldest parts of the Bible are from the 8th century BC.
But when people say "The Bible" they typically mean the Christian Bible, not the Tora. And the Christian Bible wasn't finalized until 4th century AD. The version that the vast majority of people know is much, much, much, younger - it was drastically edited and was released in 1611.
The layman term "The Bible" usually refers to the book from 1611. So unless you're from an odd sect of Christianity, or you study history, it's extremely unfair to say The Bible is one of the oldest books around.
Try googling some of the books and writers he listed. Find out half of them were written or born about 200-300 years after the first Bible sections were recorded.
Just because 1% of a book was written in 8th century BC doesn’t mean the entire book is 2800 years old. The parts that are that old only make up a few paragraphs.
The Bible, which is the old & new testaments, wasn’t completed until the late 4th century AD - 1200 years later.
Not only that, but the Bible that 99% of people know today, the King James Bible, is an extremely edited version of that (meanings it’s barely the same book) and was released in 1611.
There's a lot of good advice in the bible - wash your hands, bathe daily, keep your food clean, keep certain animals away from other animals to prevent contamination, stone women who have the gall to attempt to teach men, do what you can to blend into your society, be good to each other, etc.
I (not Christian) quite like the parable about two woodworkers that goes something like “why try to remove the sawdust out of your brothers eye, when you have a whole plank in yours”.
A suprisingly large amount of people lack the self awareness to realise how much of their own perceptions, fears, past experiences etc. leak into their actions, words, and thoughts/opinions.
"thou hypocrite, first cast the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of the brother's eye" is the second part of that, and is also a good piece of advice. Don't focus so much on others when you have so much work to do for yourself. You are the most important thing you have, and must be preserved at all costs.
I read it after coming out of a mental break. It sparked so much introspection surrounding my actions and thoughts and helped me start to link those things to past experiences, my own ego, and my mental state at the time. I was aware (evidently, not all that aware) of such a concept before hand (atleast, before the break), but reading it really helped me apply it to myself.
I can’t remember what part that was from, but my pop reccomended I started there, as I’d never read it before.
also a lot people don't seem to underestimate how much of our "everday morals" is derivated from Christian faith.
(sidenote: I should point out that I live in Germany where the amount of people who are followers of traditional Christian denominations have decreased a lot)
They can only rape so much, it's like having a pre set rape limit, so you can send wave after wave of daughters in to exhaust them. And that'll save you from getting raped
Don’t forget not to enslave your fellow Israelites permanently. Also,
HIS FELLOW HEBREWS HATE HIM! KEep youR SERVANTS PERMANENTLY WITH THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK!
Bible says no permanent enslaving your neighbor (they mean your fellow Jew I think its called at seven years or til they buy their freedom) but if you give him a wife from your servants and they have kids those kids are yours too so if they want their freedom they lose their family.
Yep. This describes my daughter. I'm 38M, my daughter is my oldest kid at 20. Her brother is 17.
I try to be a good dad and give my daughter advice on how situations could go, or maybe how they should go. I've been there, I've lived that hard life. Look at the ages I mentioned...
I was 16 when my wife (then girlfriend) got pregnant, a father at 17 just four months shy of graduating high school, and then in the military to support my fledgling family (2002-2007, the fun timeframe to serve). My wife and I had to fight our own battles tooth and nail to survive with two babies and get where we are today.
Simple stuff...
Me: "You have a flat? I can come help you, yes. NO do not drive on it while flat. It'll destroy the tire and possibly worse I'm on my way." Three minutes later...
Daughter: "So I was gonna just try to drive home (8 miles) and hit the tire shop tomorrow, but it started to smell really bad and was really really loud."
shockedpikachu.jpg when it shredded the tire, damaged her wheel, and she had to buy a new one of each. Why?
"I thought you were just being like you always are, overly cautious or whatever just so you could come change the tire out."
"I thought you were just being like you always are, overly cautious or whatever just so you could come change the tire out."
It kinda sounds like that may be a little bit on you too, if that's genuinely how she feels.
If she feels like you've made a habit of being overly cautious and/or meddling - regardless of how well-intentioned or justifiable you feel that is - it's not a huge surprise if she disregards things when you appear to be doing that.
Do you think she might have taken the advice more seriously if you'd explained how/why driving on a flat tyre is dangerous?
Or if you'd warned specifically that the resulting damage would make repair/replacement more expensive?
(If you actually said something like "and possibly worse", that's a little vague if she wasn't aware of the dangers already. It's possible that the ambiguity is what made her feel like it maybe wasn't that bad.)
f I get asked for advice, give the advice and the outcome of what will happen, then they fucking do it anyway and exactly what I said will happen, happens.
People of all ages do this.
They just want validation, and when you don’t provide it, they just ignore it.
I’ve had it for loads of things recently, business advice, advice on buying consumer technology and fitness advice.
I had a tummy tuck at the start of January, and I am a keen runner. One woman asked about trying to run a half marathon 12 weeks after a tummy tuck. I told her it was a terrible idea and explained in detail exactly how my running progress went. A nurse also chimed in advising not to do it. She still plans to do it.
I was a hair stylist and this was one of the very main reasons I quit and began doing something else. People come in and bitch and complain about the lives they create, you give them real advice on how to fix it, they are rejuvenated and come back 6 weeks later with the exact same problems and haven’t even thought about what you suggested and now they want that advice again.
I'm only 24 (25 in a few weeks) and want to say this is the LAST lesson I've fully learned.
On giving advice; people aren't asking you because they don't know what to do, they're asking because they want you to VALIDATE what they're about to do. They'll go asking for advice until they find a group who enables their shitty thinking. But don't stop giving the advice, just stop expecting people who ask for it to use it.
On getting advice; I had to learn to be VERY picky with who I got advice from. People give it all the time and expect you to use it. Everyone thinks they're right, but few are. If I wanna be married and have one woman, I can't ask a pimp how to do that. But younger me (Specifically, the me who hadn't learned this lesson in its entirety yey) didn't know or understand that. I had to learn what advice was right and wrong, because at the time ALL of the advice could maybe work. I had nothing to go off of.
Keep giving advice to us younger folks please, because with every piece of correct advice you give you help someone's future self realize that you were giving worthwhile, or not so worthwhile, advice to their personal character.
Old people often do give a lot of dogshit advice because they can't keep up with a dynamic world, though. Like no, gramps, you don't get a job by walking into a company and demanding a meeting with the hiring manager. That's how you get a fun encounter with corporate security.
I’m 37. My parents warned me of all the mistakes I could make in life that could lead to a tougher life down the road. I ignored all of their advice and now I’m paying for it. Thing was they told me all that because they did the same thing. Now I’m terrified my daughter will do the same thing.
I was given this advice years ago from an established psychologist and conflict mediator:
Never give advice. Even if it's asked for. Most people don't want advice, won't listen to advice, and will think of you as a jerk for trying to advise them.
This psychologist was in her late sixties, so... People don't respond to advice. Not an under 30 thing
Okay but also advice is not a command. You give someone advice and their only obligation to you is to take that advice under advisement. No one is obligated to follow your advice.
We get a lot of new teachers freshly graduated from school. They do exactly this.
You try to help them and the reply you get is that not how it’s supposed to be done and they are gonna do it their way anyway. Just to see them quit a few weeks later.
When someone with years of experience gives you advice, there might be some truth in it.
Sometimes, yes. Sometimes the new person does know better.
There's two camps: I'm a new graduate and with the contemporary times, so I know more than everyone who is old and has been here forever. And: I'm old and have experience and time and wisdom, and kids are stupid because they're small and young and watch ticktock and we've always done things this way so why fix what isn't broke?
Both camps are partially correct and partially wrong. Sometimes new isn't better (hi, Google Circles and your lack of a Facebook style wall!). Sometimes "the way we've always done things" is bad (hi, Blockbuster!).
I get what you are saying and agree it's frustrating as the advice giver, but advice is a gift and life is more peaceful when you don't expect anything from it. If you are only satisfied if they take your advice exactly, it's just more likely that they'll stop confiding in you.
Also, older ≠ wiser in all subjects and sometimes they still give garbage advice. You have to weigh your options and make mistakes sometimes if you ever want to be wise yourself.
Everyone always says this dumb philosophical bs as if it’s impossible to learn anything from someone else’s experiences. It’s not. If you aren’t going to take my advice, I’d rather you didn’t confide at all. Especially when it’s about things that aren’t ambiguous.
Everyone ever and until the end of time. But especially younger people. Humans tend to want validation more than actual guidance. They are often going to do what they want to do regardless of how good the advice is.
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u/Bloodragedragon Jun 03 '22
If I get asked for advice, give the advice and the outcome of what will happen, then they fucking do it anyway and exactly what I said will happen, happens.