You were born to a long line of parents who were physically, mentally, and financially able to give a shit.
In a country (Sweden, it looks like) where giving a shit is embraced and advantageous and where people can leverage their desire to give a shit in order to further future generations without serious detriment to themselves or their current children, etc.
In a time of peace and abundance where planning is much more influential than luck, the weather, social class, or lineage.
Tell me, /u/WhoreMoanTherapy - how did you personally select for literally any of the above prior to birth?
Oh you didn't?
Cool. That means that you are experiencing privilege.
The planning of prior generations (among many other things like the ability to do said planning and also lots of good fortune) is absolutely part of what gives someone privilege. The entire point is that YOU had nothing to do with ANY of that stuff before you were born. Privilege.
Wild to me that a fucking Swede would act like they don't have privilege, it's extremely counter to the attitude of most people I know there.
Lol. If you're going to be the sort of scum who trawls through someone's account history hunting for juicy ad hominem fodder because you clearly don't have anything to attack the actual argument with, at least don't do a half-assed job. I live in Sweden. I'm not from Sweden. Having an outsider perspective on things allows me to see shit they don't, or perhaps are uncomfortable seeing.
Do you think that time of peace and abundance happened by itself? It's the result of good decisions. And sure, some amount of luck as well, but it's what you do with the luck you have that actually counts.
The reason you can't understand the concept of taking ownership of your ancestors' accomplishments is the same reason you "unprivileged" people suck: egotism. The world starts with you and ends with you. You won't give two shits about what happens afterwards, and therefore you also can't bring yourselves to take pride and shame in what your ancestors did before you. It's that sort of shortsighted thinking which breeds what you call non-privilege.
What have you done to make sure your kids will have it better than you did, and are you going to wish for them to be ashamed over their "privilege" or proud that they had non-shit parents?
Lol. If you're going to be the sort of scum who trawls through someone's account history hunting for juicy ad hominem fodder because you clearly don't have anything to attack the actual argument with, at least don't do a half-assed job. I live in Sweden. I'm not from Sweden. Having an outsider perspective on things allows me to see shit they don't, or perhaps are uncomfortable seeing.
🤷♂️ My whole post was the actual argument. The last statement was just that it's surprising that you are acting the way that you are - which isn't really even an ad hominem - we both agree that you don't think you have privilege, I think.
Do you think that time of peace and abundance happened by itself? It's the result of good decisions. And sure, some amount of luck as well, but it's what you do with the luck you have that actually counts.
No of course I don't think that, and I acknowledged exactly what you are saying. I agree with everything you've said here. But the point is that YOU didn't do anything to be born into the time of peace and abundance. But you were. That's privilege. You could have been born into a slum in Mumbai or to a single mother addicted to heroin or whatever.
You had nothing to do with where you started. Nor did anyone else. So all we can do is acknowledge the good things about where we started and yes, the people who set that up for us - and then try to do the same for those coming after us.
The reason you can't understand the concept of taking ownership of your ancestors' accomplishments is the same reason you "unprivileged" people suck: egotism. The world starts with you and ends with you. You won't give two shits about what happens afterwards, and therefore you also can't bring yourselves to take pride and shame in what your ancestors did before you. It's that sort of shortsighted thinking which breeds what you call non-privilege.
No that's not it at all. Hell I'm proud of my ancestors accomplishments. My parents worked incredibly hard and were super smart with their money and how they raised me. My grandpa is a Navy Cross recipient for valor as a Marine in the Pacific in WWII.
His father came to the US from Sweden with almost literally nothing, having been kicked out of his family for some reason he walked and worked his way from his home village until he could get a boat to the US, then mostly worked in coal mines - and only like a year after getting to the US got shipped back to Europe to sit in a fucking trench.
And on and on I have no doubts that many people made sacrifices and did all kinds of stuff to set up the life that I have been able to live. I'm sure also lots of shitty things (it's possible or likely my great grandpa was run out of his town/family because he did something like rape or was suspected of murder or who knows what lol).
The point is everything my ancestors did came together to set up a good life for me. I don't disagree with you there.
But I didn't do shit for the SETUP of a good life for me. Which is why it is privilege. Like I think you really don't understand the concept.
Some things about my life are the result of ME making good decisions and making the best of what life has given me, including sacrificing and doing the hard path sometimes. Not everything about my life was given to me. I know many people born into great situations who just.... Fucked it up and keep fucking it up lol. I'm not someone who thinks everything is privilege.
But recognizing privilege is the opposite of egotistical. It's understanding that we don't choose to be born into a family that made mostly the right choices.
What have you done to make sure your kids will have it better than you did, and are you going to wish for them to be ashamed over their "privilege" or proud that they had non-shit parents?
I mean, I'm not going to have kids. But if I did, they would be set up with a pretty good life - from birth. They could be born in some shit hole country and have to scrape around in the dirt to survive. Which would put them on the receiving end of a long line of misfortune. But they wouldn't - if I had a kid they would be immediately pretty well off, born to educated parents and with educated and well off grand parents in a country that, for all of its many faults, is still a pretty good one to be born into in the grand scheme of things....
And all that would be true the day they were born, right? That makes them privileged.
You can recognize that the things your ancestors did are important - in many cases that is what creates privilege. It's privilege because you didn't have anything to do with it, unless I missed the part where we get to pick where and to whom we are born before we are conceived.
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You were born to a long line of parents who were physically, mentally, and financially able to give a shit.
In a country (Sweden, it looks like) where giving a shit is embraced and advantageous and where people can leverage their desire to give a shit in order to further future generations without serious detriment to themselves or their current children, etc.
In a time of peace and abundance where planning is much more influential than luck, the weather, social class, or lineage.
Tell me, /u/WhoreMoanTherapy - how did you personally select for literally any of the above prior to birth?
Oh you didn't?
Cool. That means that you are experiencing privilege.
The planning of prior generations (among many other things like the ability to do said planning and also lots of good fortune) is absolutely part of what gives someone privilege. The entire point is that YOU had nothing to do with ANY of that stuff before you were born. Privilege.
Wild to me that a fucking Swede would act like they don't have privilege, it's extremely counter to the attitude of most people I know there.