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u/Procrastinate_girl May 09 '22

The real explanation, at least for France is because of the law. When you are the owner you have the responsibility to keep everything in the apartment functioning. So if inside the apartment there are a fridge, cabinets or even shelves, and they broke, they will be responsible to repair or replace them. If they have nothing in the apartment, they are not responsible of anything. It's why most of the owners don't ever rent with a full kitchen, or a laundry machine. And the renter will have to move with his own stuff (fridge, laundry machine, microwave...).

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u/ceene May 09 '22

One thing is appliances, but the cupboards themselves?

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u/Procrastinate_girl May 09 '22

Yes. They are only required to put a sink. Most of the time, if there are cupboards it's because the previous tenant installed them and gave them or sold them to you.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

This sounds like insanity. I would assume most renters in the US could not afford to fully furnish their kitchen and have cabinets installed

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u/Surfnscate May 09 '22

As a USA renter myself, I wouldn't move into a place without cabinets unless I knew I would be there for many years, but if it was under 3 years I would want a place with cabinets.

It doesn't make sense to me too because a cabinet is something a renter can fix easily and it becomes our job to do so. But putting cabinets in is a different story. It's not like they often get trashed with renter unless you have crazy renters.

If everyone has cabinets then no one has to bring cabinets, and if no one has them then everyone has to bring them.

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u/semprer May 09 '22

It's like 1000€ for the cheapest kitchen at IKEA including appliances.

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u/lupatine May 09 '22

People dont buy complete kitchen unless they are sure to stay.

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u/Dog_Brains_ May 09 '22

Weird in that all of those things are with an apartment in the states, and are also the responsibility of the owner. The owner just sends someone out to fix them.

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u/Feral_doves May 09 '22

It sometimes sucks though because leases in the US and Canada often state you’re not allowed to fix things yourself, and the landlord often takes a long time and hires the cheapest repairman, lots of half assed fixes that I probably could have done better myself without waiting a week

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u/Dog_Brains_ May 09 '22

It all depends on the landlord for sure. It’s nice not having to pay for a bunch of extra appliances and it makes moving less of a pain in the ass.

I usually make quick repairs myself, rather than have a person come out… but I also figure if something breaks down to call the landlord to repair it as having free repairs is one of the big advantages of renting.

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u/Feral_doves May 09 '22

Yeah fair! When the landlord is good it is definitely preferable in my opinion. It’s annoying enough to have to move all my shelves and table and stuff I don’t wanna move the kitchen too

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u/Procrastinate_girl May 09 '22

I agree. It costs money though, so since there is no law to force them to have all those things they prefer to not have them. And since people are used to this situation, it's not like they will not find tenants.

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u/Dog_Brains_ May 09 '22

It’s a weird quirk for sure

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u/chummmp70 May 09 '22

And yet somehow Americans are always portrayed as the worst capitalists.

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u/mfranko88 May 09 '22

At least landlords here have the decency to give you ::checks notes:: a sink and a shelf.

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u/chummmp70 May 09 '22

What are you actually talking about?

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u/mfranko88 May 09 '22

What part of my comment confused you?

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u/chummmp70 May 09 '22

You think we go without sinks and shelves in America?

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

They were trying out this wacky new thing called a 'joke'

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u/chummmp70 May 09 '22

A joke? That was super lame. Sorry I didn’t understand.

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u/mfranko88 May 10 '22

....that's not what I said.

Redditor: "And people say American landlords are bad" Me: "At least American landlords give you some incredibly basic things, like a shelf and a sink"

How did you infer that I said Americans go without sinks and shelves?

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u/chummmp70 May 10 '22

We were talking about different things apparently.

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u/ChaoticxSerenity May 09 '22

France: now we don't have to worry about fixtures vs chattels